Rumours and Stuff

[oldmancraigy]

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Has he forgotten that wingers need to catch bombs? Preferably without lying on the ground prior to catching them?

#justsayin

 

[TheRam]

The Bryce is right: Cartwright poised to re-sign with Eels

Bryce Cartwright is close to agreeing to a contract extension, a reward for both parties after Parramatta’s punt paid off.

www.smh.com.au

He has been a revelation this year and Potato Head gets full credit for it too. He loves playing for him and I suspect that he could get more elsewhere if he decided to go hunting on the open market, but by the looks of things he is happy to take what I think would be less to stay and play under him and with his new mates at Parra.

That is what I would have liked to have seen from both Gutho and Moses, not the drawn out nonsense that we got from our two most senior and important players that signaled to every other player at the club to go to market and look to extract the highest possible offer available to play Parra off with.

Hopefully this action by Carty will at lease have some positive affect on the rest of the playing group that if we like to have a strong roster that can genuinely compete for a title every year, every player needs to sacrifice a little to make that possible. Especially the top end players that will never go hungry and always have a very good income coming their way and especially, especially Moses who has so many investment gurus in his family to guide him.

On BA, given enough time he can and generally does get the best out of most talented players that have lost their way for whatever reason. Probably because BA's message is so simple and he is a genuine guy that they can all trust on his word. Just run hard, chase the collision and the rest of your natural game will develop and come out when appropriate instinctively. So now that he has got Barrett there to do the more elaborate offensive coaching it is working well. All we need now is to find a defensive coach that takes no prisoners and we might be set.

And a winger too.

 

[TheRam]

Certainly looked a lot more deliberate than RCGs one

If the word premeditated can ever be used assuredly this is it. He strode what 3-4 times with those legs getting higher and higher with each stride and aiming straight at the defender. Luckily for Graham he missed making catastrophic connection and somehow avoided any serious injury. Otherwise it could have really been freaking ugly.

Minimum 10 weeks for something so blatantly dangerous and insane. Stamp that sh*t out immediately.

 

[yy_cheng]

Yup, bas strength is keep it simple and being a gr8 father figure

 

[TheRam]

If players are staying for unders as alleged with Moses, Brown and Cartwright our culture is excellent.

Moses isn't staying for unders, unless you think a hail Mary insane over the top offer by the wooden spoons that he rejected is staying for unders? The Dogs pulled out because they weren't willing to go any higher then our offer which meant they were out of the hunt.

Unders is staying for less then he could have gotten from a decent team and he sign with us for say $900-1m total. But I bet he is on more then that though. More like $1.1m a season. Where as the Tigers offer was an insane $1.25m a season if not more if the reports could be believed.

As for Brown, I think he is being compensated appropriately for what he is worth and delivers at present. So again not on unders. The reason most other clubs didn't throw the world at his feet yet is because he hasn't proven himself enough in the consistency category and he isn't at present a dominant playmaker that can lead the team around on his own, if he ever will be. He is way to scattered mentally and almost doesn't study the game at all by his own admission and the word has gotten around.

Add to that his now legal conviction and his currency has diminished even further and he will need to totally transform his attitude to the game and even performances for people to think he is worth more then what we at Parra are already paying him. Not on unders.

Carty is on unders and I love him for it and he is by far our most improved player in the last 2 seasons. His work off the ball and defense is a revelation.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Yup, bas strength is keep it simple and being a gr8 father figure

Is that the same Father that punted his son .
Yeah, I know but I couldnt resist. Im in a good mood today. Oh! By the way!
Fu*k you Cummins,
Fu*k you Warner.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Moses isn't staying for unders, unless you think a hail Mary insane over the top offer by the wooden spoons that he rejected is staying for unders? The Dogs pulled out because they weren't willing to go any higher then our offer which meant they were out of the hunt.

Unders is staying for less then he could have gotten from a decent team and he sign with us for say $900-1m total. But I bet he is on more then that though. More like $1.1m a season. Where as the Tigers offer was an insane $1.25m a season if not more if the reports could be believed.

As for Brown, I think he is being compensated appropriately for what he is worth and delivers at present. So again not on unders. The reason most other clubs didn't throw the world at his feet yet is because he hasn't proven himself enough in the consistency category and he isn't at present a dominant playmaker that can lead the team around on his own, if he ever will be. He is way to scattered mentally and almost doesn't study the game at all by his own admission and the word has gotten around.

Add to that his now legal conviction and his currency has diminished even further and he will need to totally transform his attitude to the game and even performances for people to think he is worth more then what we at Parra are already paying him. Not on unders.

Carty is on unders and I love him for it and he is by far our most improved player in the last 2 seasons. His work off the ball and defense is a revelation.

We don't know whether any of them are on unders or overs. We can only know whether the entire squad is strong or weak compared to the other 16 clubs. This will give us some indication whether they are on average under- or overpaid.

 

[Avenger]

Moses isn't staying for unders, unless you think a hail Mary insane over the top offer by the wooden spoons that he rejected is staying for unders? The Dogs pulled out because they weren't willing to go any higher then our offer which meant they were out of the hunt.

Unders is staying for less then he could have gotten from a decent team and he sign with us for say $900-1m total. But I bet he is on more then that though. More like $1.1m a season. Where as the Tigers offer was an insane $1.25m a season if not more if the reports could be believed.

As for Brown, I think he is being compensated appropriately for what he is worth and delivers at present. So again not on unders. The reason most other clubs didn't throw the world at his feet yet is because he hasn't proven himself enough in the consistency category and he isn't at present a dominant playmaker that can lead the team around on his own, if he ever will be. He is way to scattered mentally and almost doesn't study the game at all by his own admission and the word has gotten around.

Add to that his now legal conviction and his currency has diminished even further and he will need to totally transform his attitude to the game and even performances for people to think he is worth more then what we at Parra are already paying him. Not on unders.

Carty is on unders and I love him for it and he is by far our most improved player in the last 2 seasons. His work off the ball and defense is a revelation.

Moses is on $1,050,000. Thats's unders.

 

[T.S Quint]

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He wasn’t a top 5 winger when he left.

 

[TheRam]

We don't know whether any of them are on unders or overs. We can only know whether the entire squad is strong or weak compared to the other 16 clubs. This will give us some indication whether they are on average under- or overpaid.

Troll.

 

[Chipmunk]

He has been a revelation this year and Potato Head gets full credit for it too. He loves playing for him and I suspect that he could get more elsewhere if he decided to go hunting on the open market, but by the looks of things he is happy to take what I think would be less to stay and play under him and with his new mates at Parra.

That is what I would have liked to have seen from both Gutho and Moses, not the drawn out nonsense that we got from our two most senior and important players that signaled to every other player at the club to go to market and look to extract the highest possible offer available to play Parra off with.

Hopefully this action by Carty will at lease have some positive affect on the rest of the playing group that if we like to have a strong roster that can genuinely compete for a title every year, every player needs to sacrifice a little to make that possible. Especially the top end players that will never go hungry and always have a very good income coming their way and especially, especially Moses who has so many investment gurus in his family to guide him.

On BA, given enough time he can and generally does get the best out of most talented players that have lost their way for whatever reason. Probably because BA's message is so simple and he is a genuine guy that they can all trust on his word. Just run hard, chase the collision and the rest of your natural game will develop and come out when appropriate instinctively. So now that he has got Barrett there to do the more elaborate offensive coaching it is working well. All we need now is to find a defensive coach that takes no prisoners and we might be set.

And a winger too.

I suspect Adam O'Brien will be our next defensive coach.

 

[TheRam]

Moses is on $1,050,000. Thats's unders.

I don't think so. That is what he is worth if true and maybe even slightly overs.

Unders is when a player that is on say a million and can get that or slightly more from a decent club and elects to sign for say $900K or even less. That is unders. This unders term is being very loosely thrown around. If a player signs for less then his market value that a decent club is willing to offer them then that is when I consider that the player has signed for unders.

Moses was being offered around the $1m from the very start, but it took him(and his manager) virtually half a year to come to the conclusion Parra weren't going to budge much further and no other reputable club was ever going to give him much more, so he stayed put and told us all it was his childhood love club and he was so glad and that he was always going to probably stay and now he is stoked to be staying to the end of his career. Nonsense! His manager would never have allowed it without a full on reconnaissance of the landscape and what other extra bucks he could extricate from us or any other club.

As it happened no one else was willing to go above and beyond the Parra offer other then the desperate Tiger anywhere enough for him to be willing to jump ship.

Unders is under, about the same isn't unders.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think overs is far more common than unders. Generally paid by weak clubs for their best players and even by midrange clubs for players that are essentially irreplaceable. Unders is when players are exceeding the expectations (including their own) of the time they signed their current deal. Generally younger players during and after breakout seasons. Papali’i last year would be a good example. Drown and Penisini would’ve given us a year or two on unders as well. Even Simonsson could be on less than he’s worth right now. You’d have to say it’s a breakout year for him. He’s either on unders now or he was on overs last year.

 

[the phantom menace]

We don't know whether any of them are on unders or overs.

Unders or overs are purely subjective, as you know.

We can only know whether the entire squad is strong or weak compared to the other 16 clubs. This will give us some indication whether they are on average under- or overpaid.

Given each team's squad has the same salary cap, we can only know whether the squad is strong or weak compared to others based on how it performs.

Observation of collective performance doesn't really give us any indication of average unders or overs etc - but you knew that too . However observation of individual performances can give us some indication of whether or not a certain player may providing decent return on estimated investment - which fuels discussions on footy opinion forums such as this.

 

[emjaycee]

If a player signs for his market value that a decent club is willing to offer them then that is when I consider that the player has signed for unders.

Can you explain again how signing with a decent club for market value is unders?

 

[Avenger]

I don't think so. That is what he is worth if true and maybe even slightly overs.

Unders is when a player that is on say a million and can get that or slightly more from a decent club and elects to sign for say $900K or even less. That is unders. This unders term is being very loosely thrown around. If a player signs for his market value that a decent club is willing to offer them then that is when I consider that the player has signed for unders.

Moses was being offered around the $1m from the very start, but it took him(and his manager) virtually half a year to come to the conclusion Parra weren't going to budge much further and no other reputable club was ever going to give him much more, so he stayed put and told us all it was his childhood love club and he was so glad and that he was always going to probably stay and now he is stoked to be staying to the end of his career. Nonsense! His manager would never have allowed it without a full on reconnaissance of the landscape and what other extra bucks he could extricate from us or any other club.

As it happened no one else was willing to go above and beyond the Parra offer other then the desperate Tiger anywhere enough for him to be willing to jump ship.

Unders is under, about the same isn't unders.

The sticking point was the length of the contract not so much the money. We got a good deal and he got his option for a 4th year.

Stop arguing and embrace the fact that we have a top shelf halfback in his prime.

 

[Avenger]

I’d argue that Cartwright is a proper fit and better bang for buck than what Papali’i was asking.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Unders or overs are purely subjective, as you know.

Given each team's squad has the same salary cap, we can only know whether the squad is strong or weak compared to others based on how it performs.

Observation of collective performance doesn't really give us any indication of average unders or overs etc

Classic non sequitur. If the squad performs better than others it means it most likely has better players, and therefore more likely to have more players on unders and fewer players on overs. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to fit them under the same salary cap you've pretended supports your position. But you knew that.

 

[TheRam]

Can you explain again how signing with a decent club for market value is unders?

Sorry missed a couple of critical words when writing. My mistake. Writing to much and brain working faster then the fingers can keep up.

 

[TheRam]

The sticking point was the length of the contract not so much the money. We got a good deal and he got his option for a 4th year.

Stop arguing and embrace the fact that we have a top shelf halfback in his prime.

True,

But that sticking point was the last phase of negotiations. Money was the first and once that was sorted then the length was what mattered most.

Kind of like a street negotiation with a well fit lady.