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hineyrulz

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yep like I've said before we are a reactive side.. If we were proactive, we would have signed up Ice before he went on the market.

We would have had a backup plan for Hooker when we negotiating with Reed.
The club were proactive, they re-signed Bea Arthur thinking all the boys would just sign on the dotted line. Even his favourite son Gutho played it out in the media. “But the boys love BA”. They love the free ride he gives them.
 

TheRam

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It’s clear that we need a fullback an X factor. Fullback position has gone past Gutho now and he should be transitioned elsewhere.

If we can’t find an X factor fullback and I mean Reece Walsh class, then I’d be giving Dylan Brown a go in the off season to see how he copes. There’s a lot to learn obviously but I believe he could make that switch he’d be dynamic with all that room.

As for Gutho, 5/8 or 3/4.

So you think our issues lay at the feet of our best and by far our most consistent player?

Mate, our problems go way deeper then moving our best player out of his most natural position and putting his nose out of joint and losing all off what he brings and believe me he bring plenty.

There are two things that need addressing first before anything else is even considered and they are at least one if not two quality outside backs that can attack with the ball and defend well and the other is our defense as a team.

Those two things need to be pushed to the top of the tree and not taken down until they have been sorted. End of, otherwise we go nowhere again next season. When next season starts, if our defense isn't in the top 2 and I mean a hairs breadth between the two after the first 10 rounds then I would immediately start to look for a new coach. I don't care even if the whole world knew about it and it ended up destabilizing our season. We aren't going to win a thing if we aren't in the top 2 defensive teams anyway.

Also we need if possible to find and bag a quality front rower in the juniors that everyone can see will be a star. Someone like JWH or Klemmer were juniors and offer him enough and make love to him along the way so as he wants to come to the Eels. It doesn't necessarily need to be for 2024, but as long as we get him and we can start to rebuild our front row from 2025 onwards. Because we will definitely need it guaranteed and now is the time to start to address it.

Now besides finally addressing our defensive structures I would take a leaf out of master coach Bennetts book and for the first month of training with the ball in hand I would get them all to only do one thing and it is the most basic thing a footballer at NRL level should be able to do and that is I would put them through repetitive drills for hours, day in and day out, on attacking raids counting numbers, 3 and 4's. Bennet has done this since he started coaching decades ago and he has had some of the all time greats in his squad. Players who don't know and are new to his club, often ask him why are you asking us to do this most basic of things for weeks on end? But by the time the season comes around they all realise exactly why he does it.

Most elite players don't know the basics because they were elite coming through the grades and never needed to learn some of the most basic parts of the game. Bennett has stated that he was astounded how little so many 1st graders knew so he does this every off season from the start of his coach right up to now and that is part of why people are always saying that Bennetts teams are always so well prepared.

We as a club scream this lack of basic knowledge on the field or preparedness. I know some like pou and others may suggest but we had no problem scoring points this season and it was our decision making and resolve in defense that got us unstuck. Sure that is why I put solving our defense issues at the top of the tree of priorities. But our offense at times when we should be pushing the ball to where the defensive line is weakest and or short is clunky if we take advantage at all. Lets face it we have to many dumb footballers who are not aware where they should be standing or how to run onto a ball for maximum effect or how deep or shallow the unfolding play needs them to be. By just doing repetitive drills for weeks on end and nothing else but counting numbers, it will give them an understanding and instinctive connective whole team attacking formation that they can automatically get into at any time without thought in a micro second which in most cases is what is needed for it to work.

So to often they run out of ideas when they are confronted with the better teams hard and solid defense. When all that is needed is to play at our strengths and that is to use our Palookas to attack the middle defensive line over and over again and not deviate away from that for at least 2 or 3 sets. Just simple up the middle sh*t. You know just like how Bennett had the Dolphins play this year and it worked beautifully until injuries and suspensions saw them run out of steam. So when the opposition compresses their defensive line as they will and should, the numbers out wide are and should be in our favour. Guess what we do then? Now if we spent a month of training doing nothing but numbers drills in the off season, does anyone think that we will get it wrong?

We have a power game and it works well against the teams that don't turn up. But what do we do when the opposition do turn up and say not today boys, you're not coming through our front door? Well we keep knocking on that front door as hard as a demon so as to attract as many trolls on the other side to protect it and then we quickly slide through the open window out wide. It needs precision and finesse, especially since we don't have a speedster out wide, but it can and should be done. We also have two of the fastest halves in the game, at the very least it would give them more opportunities to attack players one on one or in a retreating formation.

But of course the other priority at the top of the tree will need to be addressed as well for this to have any chance of success, otherwise teams like the Panthers will still have fresh middles to our battered and worn out ones that we won't be capable of knocking on their front door long enough to matter.
 

Chipmunk

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So you think our issues lay at the feet of our best and by far our most consistent player?

Mate, our problems go way deeper then moving our best player out of his most natural position and putting his nose out of joint and losing all off what he brings and believe me he bring plenty.

There are two things that need addressing first before anything else is even considered and they are at least one if not two quality outside backs that can attack with the ball and defend well and the other is our defense as a team.

Those two things need to be pushed to the top of the tree and not taken down until they have been sorted. End of, otherwise we go nowhere again next season. When next season starts, if our defense isn't in the top 2 and I mean a hairs breadth between the two after the first 10 rounds then I would immediately start to look for a new coach. I don't care even if the whole world knew about it and it ended up destabilizing our season. We aren't going to win a thing if we aren't in the top 2 defensive teams anyway.

Also we need if possible to find and bag a quality front rower in the juniors that everyone can see will be a star. Someone like JWH or Klemmer were juniors and offer him enough and make love to him along the way so as he wants to come to the Eels. It doesn't necessarily need to be for 2024, but as long as we get him and we can start to rebuild our front row from 2025 onwards. Because we will definitely need it guaranteed and now is the time to start to address it.

Now besides finally addressing our defensive structures I would take a leaf out of master coach Bennetts book and for the first month of training with the ball in hand I would get them all to only do one thing and it is the most basic thing a footballer at NRL level should be able to do and that is I would put them through repetitive drills for hours, day in and day out, on attacking raids counting numbers, 3 and 4's. Bennet has done this since he started coaching decades ago and he has had some of the all time greats in his squad. Players who don't know and are new to his club, often ask him why are you asking us to do this most basic of things for weeks on end? But by the time the season comes around they all realise exactly why he does it.

Most elite players don't know the basics because they were elite coming through the grades and never needed to learn some of the most basic parts of the game. Bennett has stated that he was astounded how little so many 1st graders knew so he does this every off season from the start of his coach right up to now and that is part of why people are always saying that Bennetts teams are always so well prepared.

We as a club scream this lack of basic knowledge on the field or preparedness. I know some like pou and others may suggest but we had no problem scoring points this season and it was our decision making and resolve in defense that got us unstuck. Sure that is why I put solving our defense issues at the top of the tree of priorities. But our offense at times when we should be pushing the ball to where the defensive line is weakest and or short is clunky if we take advantage at all. Lets face it we have to many dumb footballers who are not aware where they should be standing or how to run onto a ball for maximum effect or how deep or shallow the unfolding play needs them to be. By just doing repetitive drills for weeks on end and nothing else but counting numbers, it will give them an understanding and instinctive connective whole team attacking formation that they can automatically get into at any time without thought in a micro second which in most cases is what is needed for it to work.

So to often they run out of ideas when they are confronted with the better teams hard and solid defense. When all that is needed is to play at our strengths and that is to use our Palookas to attack the middle defensive line over and over again and not deviate away from that for at least 2 or 3 sets. Just simple up the middle sh*t. You know just like how Bennett had the Dolphins play this year and it worked beautifully until injuries and suspensions saw them run out of steam. So when the opposition compresses their defensive line as they will and should, the numbers out wide are and should be in our favour. Guess what we do then? Now if we spent a month of training doing nothing but numbers drills in the off season, does anyone think that we will get it wrong?

We have a power game and it works well against the teams that don't turn up. But what do we do when the opposition do turn up and say not today boys, you're not coming through our front door? Well we keep knocking on that front door as hard as a demon so as to attract as many trolls on the other side to protect it and then we quickly slide through the open window out wide. It needs precision and finesse, especially since we don't have a speedster out wide, but it can and should be done. We also have two of the fastest halves in the game, at the very least it would give them more opportunities to attack players one on one or in a retreating formation.

But of course the other priority at the top of the tree will need to be addressed as well for this to have any chance of success, otherwise teams like the Panthers will still have fresh middles to our battered and worn out ones that we won't be capable of knocking on their front door long enough to matter.
For those interested, here is ChatGPT's summary of this extensive post.

The writer's main points are as follows:
  1. The team's issues are not solely the fault of their best player.
  2. The team has deeper problems, including the need for quality outside backs and improved team defense.
  3. Addressing the lack of quality outside backs and improving team defense should be the top priorities.
  4. The team should focus on finding a promising young front rower for the future.
  5. They suggest implementing repetitive drills for attacking raids to improve basic skills and understanding of team attacking formations, similar to how Bennett coaches.
  6. The writer advocates for a power game up the middle, using strong forwards to draw defenders in and then exploiting the numbers advantage out wide.
  7. They emphasize the importance of precision and finesse in executing this attacking strategy, especially without a fast winger.
  8. The need to address the team's defensive vulnerabilities is also crucial for the proposed strategy to succeed.
In summary, the writer believes that the team needs to address their defensive weaknesses and acquire quality outside backs, while also implementing focused training drills to improve basic attacking skills. They advocate for a power game up the middle to open up opportunities out wide and stress the importance of precision and proper execution.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Six players from the grand final last year are no longer at the club, with the majority of those inexplicably allowed to come off contract at the same time.
This happens at every club. If every player was given a three year contract, a third of them would come off contract at the same time. If it was four year contracts it would be a quarter. Now consider that most players don’t even get three years, that’s a lot of players off contract every year. It’s the case at every club.
 

TheRam

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Guthersons been our best player this season. Last year I would of agreed but right now he is the least of our issues.

Squads not bad if all fit. What I'd like is a big strong powerfull winger and another strike centre who can help do the tough carries. A better hooker would be next but hard to find. Not like we don't know our hookers suck ( no pun intended ) problem is lack of quality out there.

Spot on Hindy as always mate. These are exactly what our issues are and like I said before I would target Crossland from NC. He will be competing with Brailey their captain next season. Surely we can have a good shot at him if he wants to play NRL consistently.

But if we can pick up two strong outside backs like you said we would be a different team next season. But considering the crap we just spent most of our spare salary cap on already this season, I fear we will get scraps again that will do little to move the needle in the right direction.
 

Hindmarshisgod2

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The club were proactive, they re-signed Bea Arthur thinking all the boys would just sign on the dotted line. Even his favourite son Gutho played it out in the media. “But the boys love BA”. They love the free ride he gives them.
LOL....

You are right. Can't believe I never realised. The only proactive signing this club has made recently is of bushy....the rest were a delayed mess
 

oldmancraigy

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For those interested, here is ChatGPT's summary of this extensive post.

The writer's main points are as follows:
  1. The team's issues are not solely the fault of their best player.
  2. The team has deeper problems, including the need for quality outside backs and improved team defense.
  3. Addressing the lack of quality outside backs and improving team defense should be the top priorities.
  4. The team should focus on finding a promising young front rower for the future.
  5. They suggest implementing repetitive drills for attacking raids to improve basic skills and understanding of team attacking formations, similar to how Bennett coaches.
  6. The writer advocates for a power game up the middle, using strong forwards to draw defenders in and then exploiting the numbers advantage out wide.
  7. They emphasize the importance of precision and finesse in executing this attacking strategy, especially without a fast winger.
  8. The need to address the team's defensive vulnerabilities is also crucial for the proposed strategy to succeed.
In summary, the writer believes that the team needs to address their defensive weaknesses and acquire quality outside backs, while also implementing focused training drills to improve basic attacking skills. They advocate for a power game up the middle to open up opportunities out wide and stress the importance of precision and proper execution.

Thanks!

If you wouldn't mind asking chatgpt for a 2 sentence summary next time Rammy does a long post, that'd be brilliant!
 

hineyrulz

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For those interested, here is ChatGPT's summary of this extensive post.

The writer's main points are as follows:
  1. The team's issues are not solely the fault of their best player.
  2. The team has deeper problems, including the need for quality outside backs and improved team defense.
  3. Addressing the lack of quality outside backs and improving team defense should be the top priorities.
  4. The team should focus on finding a promising young front rower for the future.
  5. They suggest implementing repetitive drills for attacking raids to improve basic skills and understanding of team attacking formations, similar to how Bennett coaches.
  6. The writer advocates for a power game up the middle, using strong forwards to draw defenders in and then exploiting the numbers advantage out wide.
  7. They emphasize the importance of precision and finesse in executing this attacking strategy, especially without a fast winger.
  8. The need to address the team's defensive vulnerabilities is also crucial for the proposed strategy to succeed.
In summary, the writer believes that the team needs to address their defensive weaknesses and acquire quality outside backs, while also implementing focused training drills to improve basic attacking skills. They advocate for a power game up the middle to open up opportunities out wide and stress the importance of precision and proper execution.
Chat GP>>>>>>>>> MON.
 

TheRam

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Yeah he's bound to be one of those Storm players who do not do well outside that system.

No he is one of those players that needs a strong team to play behind. You know like most players do. He is and always was a decent talent with speed that was playing in yoyo teams. It's amazing how little people see when they are watching sh*t teams. It's like unless they are a Tedesco or Harry Grant type they just can't see them and the think that the whole team is just crap.

I have news for you, watching the crappy teams play is one of my favourite things to do because that is where the gems lie to be found. Just like Crossland was earlier this year, the one player that stood out week in week out as a player of note and to watch. Now that the Knights are going gang busters everyone and his dog is sitting up and noticing him and making out like they are the first to spot his season long quality and talent.

I love these useless TV commentators who rely on stats being given to them and then drolling on that they know this and that. Where were they 2-3 months ago? I wonder if they get their stats from pou? It would all makes so much sense then if they do.
 

Poupou Escobar

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The other thing about recruitment is it’s the same people moving from club to club, which is why the NRL needs to get involved to better the profession.

They need to create a pathways system for both recruiters and general managers. Too many salary caps are bent out of shape with the same teams often struggling for years on end.
Probably McKinnon's best point. Whichever club can afford the best off-field staff gets the best squad.
 

JokerEel

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You really think that Gutho is our problem?

Huh, it really does take all types.

Do you know how to read?

The part you quoted me doesn't even mention Gutho....

For a while I have said our defense is the problem..

Due to the fact we are leaking 23.7 PPG we need to score more than 24.7ppg..

Gutho does an amazing job but to score more points you need a dynamic fullback that can create more points than Gutho can. But we wont and we should focus on defense and getting it to below 15ppg.
 

JokerEel

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It is literally just the latter. We have the 6th best attack but only the 11th best defence.
Well when you are conceding 23.7ppg and over the past 10 years the premiers have averaged 15.1ppg it shows what you need to work on..

Even in attack the premiers over the past 10 years have averaged 25.5 ppg and our best season was last year scoring 25.3ppg.
 

Gronk

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No he is one of those players that needs a strong team to play behind. You know like most players do. He is and always was a decent talent with speed that was playing in yoyo teams. It's amazing how little people see when they are watching sh*t teams. It's like unless they are a Tedesco or Harry Grant type they just can't see them and the think that the whole team is just crap.

I have news for you, watching the crappy teams play is one of my favourite things to do because that is where the gems lie to be found. Just like Crossland was earlier this year, the one player that stood out week in week out as a player of note and to watch. Now that the Knights are going gang busters everyone and his dog is sitting up and noticing him and making out like they are the first to spot his season long quality and talent.

I love these useless TV commentators who rely on stats being given to them and then drolling on that they know this and that. Where were they 2-3 months ago? I wonder if they get their stats from pou? It would all makes so much sense then if they do.
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hineyrulz

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Stevie

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Manu is my pick too but quite last week as saying he is no change of considering other offers. His little brother is in the Roosters system and his father is best mates with Robbo.
 

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