Rumours and Stuff

[strider]

If they have him on their cap for any less thanbefore then its as dodgy as all f**k .... the nrl has never let players take pay cuts

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Nah, they're just numbers. An elephant stands x metres tall, y metres wide and weighs x kilograms. Walks at approximately z kilometres per hour. Doesn't have very good LBA stats. Doesn't really tell you what an elephant is, does it?

Depends how many games he's played. If he has played a lot of games and never put up good LBA stats then he is almost certainly not a good playmaker. If the elephant has put up good LBA stats in at least one 20+ game season then he is a good playmaker (or was). If he puts up good numbers sporadically there will be an explanation. In Hayne's case, he isn't usually used as a playmaker because it detracts from his opportunities to run, and his running game is his strength. That's why he plays fullback and not in the halves.

Like I said, a skilled analyst uses context to decide the relevance of a particular statistical sample. Someone like you, on the other hand, just decides stats are worthless because you can't make sense of them.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It doesn't, no.

However, it does tell me that the elephant is either exceedingly tall, or weighs next to nothing...

Logic isn't Ivor's strong point.

 

[Bazal]

Depends how many games he's played. If he has played a lot of games and never put up good LBA stats then he is almost certainly not a good playmaker. If the elephant has put up good LBA stats in at least one 20+ game season then he is a good playmaker (or was). If he puts up good numbers sporadically there will be an explanation. In Hayne's case, he isn't usually used as a playmaker because it detracts from his opportunities to run, and his running game is his strength. That's why he plays fullback and not in the halves.

Like I said, a skilled analyst uses context to decide the relevance of a particular statistical sample. Someone like you, on the other hand, just decides stats are worthless because you can't make sense of them.

Or, to take the original line....

Lets say the rubbish algebra in the original post tells you that the elephant is 4m tall, 2m wide, and weighs 5,000kg. A biologist would never even have to see the elephant to know that;

-It's mostly or entirely terrestrial, because walking speed and height is irrelevant to marine animals. You talk about length in that case.
-It's a mammal. It must be warm blooded to support that kind of mass, particularly on land, and it can't be avian because it's far too big and heavy.
-It's a herbivore. Terrestrial eco-systems cannot support a five ton carnivore
-It's more than likely pretty dangerous, because it's 4 metres tall and weighs 5 fking tons, so a squishy little human probably shouldn't get too close.

Sure, you might have no idea what the elephant looks like, but the first time you see an actual elephant you'll have a pretty good idea of what it is and you can make a hell of a lot of obvious conclusions based on just the info given.

It was a pretty awful "argument" and he should feel bad.

 

[hineyrulz]

If they have him on their cap for any less thanbefore then its as dodgy as all f**k .... the nrl has never let players take pay cuts

Besides the Dogs in 02 no one has been allowed to take pay cuts.

Unless you go to the Broncos and get dem Bronco

 

[Eelementary]

elephants weigh up to 7 tonnes how is that next to nothing?

Yeah, I was being a smartarse - the letter "x", in algebraic terms, represents a number, but that number does not change.

So saying something is x metres tall and weighs x kilogrammes...

Well, assuming that x equals 4, then you have:

4 metres tall, and 4 kilogrammes

Or vice versa - if x equals 4,000:

4,000 metres tall, and 4,000 kilogrammes.

I was being pedantic lol.

 

[Parra47]

Said it before and I'll say it again, Craig Stapleton had great stats for his time. Stats tell some of the story but if you rely on stats alone you'll end up with a team of Stapleton quality players. A lot more goes into identifying quality talent than just stats.

 

[hindy111]

Surely if it was based on livng expenses for location alone Penrith would get 5%, Parra and Canterbury 10%, St George and Cronulla 15%, Souths and Tigers 20%, Manly 25% and Roosters 30%.

No.... If play for roosters its your choice to live close by. They could live in Parra and get a 30min train like people do for work. Across board all Sydney teams should get 7.5% cap relief.
Even out in Penrith people are looking at 600k+ for a small house.

 

[Ivor]

Depends how many games he's played. If he has played a lot of games and never put up good LBA stats then he is almost certainly not a good playmaker. If the elephant has put up good LBA stats in at least one 20+ game season then he is a good playmaker (or was). If he puts up good numbers sporadically there will be an explanation. In Hayne's case, he isn't usually used as a playmaker because it detracts from his opportunities to run, and his running game is his strength. That's why he plays fullback and not in the halves.

Like I said, a skilled analyst uses context to decide the relevance of a particular statistical sample. Someone like you, on the other hand, just decides stats are worthless because you can't make sense of them.

We don't know how many NRL games the elephant has played (I suspect not many). So his LBA stats are what they are. I think Hayne would be a far better playmaker, though. I think Hayne would pull the elephant's trunks down.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Said it before and I'll say it again, Craig Stapleton had great stats for his time.

No he didn't. Only great players have great stats.

Of the stats that remain (games played), we can see that he played just over 100 NRL games which makes him a first grader. But his career win percentage was just over 40%, meaning he generally played for shitty teams, and he only played two finals matches. He was never good enough to get picked for Origin either, so just going on his stats you can say he was probably a below average first grader. This is confirmed by those of us who watched him play.

Also spent time in the ESL which is never a good sign: http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/craig-stapleton/summary.html

 

[Ivor]

Logic isn't Ivor's strong point.

Actually, algebra isn't my strong point - I keep mixing up my pro-numerals.

 

[hindy111]

Gutherson atleast can defend. My worry is our long kicking game. If we had a hooker like wallace, cam smith, farrah i wouldnt be worried at all. Shame Robo cant play there.
And im not sure if Bevan can kick long. I feel only good thing can happen around Gutherson thou. This is like a big carrot dangled infront. If he doesnt cut itnin halves he is a 300k centre. Solid but not explosive while at 5/8 he could be worth 500k+
I actually think his best spot could be in the halves or fullback. Doesnt break enough tackles for wing or centre for mine and lacks the acceleration or step to create gaps.
Give him the full season thou and see how improves. Remember normans first year here in halves was t great. It was actuslly awfull the amount of times he was caught on the last and had no idea what to do. Everyone on here wanted him dropped.
Gutherson deserves 24 games....

 

[hindy111]

No he didn't. Only great players have great stats.

Of the stats that remain (games played), we can see that he played just over 100 NRL games which makes him a first grader. But his career win percentage was just over 40%, meaning he generally played for shitty teams, and he only played two finals matches. He was never good enough to get picked for Origin either, so just going on his stats you can say he was probably a below average first grader. This is confirmed by those of us who watched him play.

Also spent time in the ESL which is never a good sign: http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/craig-stapleton/summary.html

Stats play a part. Some guys get remembered for a few great flashes. But not noticed for simple things. If you can get the ball over line its worth the same no matter how. Same goes with soccer. Eyes say kewell was better stats prove cahill was much more effective. Your eyes can be an illusion.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Stats play a part. Some guys get remembered for a few great flashes. But not noticed for simple things. If you can get the ball over line its worth the same no matter how. Same goes with soccer. Eyes say kewell was better stats prove cahill was much more effective. Your eyes can be an illusion.

Soccer isn't a game that lends itself well to statistical analysis. Especially with the very few stats that are widely available to the public.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Nah, they're just numbers. An elephant stands x metres tall, y metres wide and weighs x kilograms. Walks at approximately z kilometres per hour. Doesn't have very good LBA stats. Doesn't really tell you what an elephant is, does it?

That's an odd elephant. Its as tall as how much it weighs. I don't think that's physically impossible.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Said it before and I'll say it again, Craig Stapleton had great stats for his time. Stats tell some of the story but if you rely on stats alone you'll end up with a team of Stapleton quality players. A lot more goes into identifying quality talent than just stats.

Can you provide Stapleton's stats? I bet you have all the RLW magazines that have Craig's name in them.

 

[hindy111]

Soccer isn't a game that lends itself well to statistical analysis. Especially with the very few stats that are widely available to the public.

Who are you poupou escobar.

 

[Eelementary]

Stats play a part. Some guys get remembered for a few great flashes. But not noticed for simple things. If you can get the ball over line its worth the same no matter how. Same goes with soccer. Eyes say kewell was better stats prove cahill was much more effective. Your eyes can be an illusion.

But Kewell's career was cut short through injury

Taking nothing away from Cahill, Kewell was quite obviously the more skillful, classy player.

Had he had a good run with injuries, who knows where he might have ended up?

 

[Ivor]

That's an odd elephant. Its as tall as how much it weighs. I don't think that's physically impossible.

It was run over by a truck. Whilst making a line-break.

 

[bartman]

In Hayne's case, he isn't usually used as a playmaker because it detracts from his opportunities to run, and his running game is his strength. That's why he plays fullback and not in the halves.

What? Someone else agreeing Hayne is not actually a playmaker?

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