Rumours and Stuff

[strider]

Im glad we've got you to tell us all the undeniable facts baz

 

[84 Baby]

The choice of life that they both had to endure is obviously tough. However it's pretty clear that she did not make a rash decision. She appointed a lawyer to draw up the contract and then (after I assume a few days) executed it before her legal representative.

Accordingly she was not coerced or deceived and can never claim to be. Her lawyer would have ensured that she was comfortable with the deal before execution, believe me.

Did she sign it in front of her psychiatrist? Lawyer just needs her to understand the legal ramifications. At best they are going to suggest she consider the emotional aspects but other than that all she needed to do was nod

 

[Bazal]

Im glad we've got you to tell us all the undeniable facts baz

Seriously? What about someone using their money and influence to achieve the outcome they want over another person isnt the definition of coercion strides?

What's deniable about Cartwright being a slime bag?

 

[84 Baby]

believe me.

Wait a second... was this a conscious wording or have the Antartic Atlantean pizza makers brainwashed you?

 

[Gronk]

Of course she was coerced ffs. She's in her early 20s, probably tremendously lost about what to do and she was offered offered more money than she probably makes in a year at that age...how on earth do you figure she wasn't coerced?

Sorry mate you can't play the coerced card after you appoint your own lawyer to draw up a contract (I'll terminate if you give me $50k). You only do that for one reason - to make sure you get paid.

Nasty stuff. Feel for her but you cannot claim that she was an unwitting or unwilling participant to the deal. Now she regrets it, which is sad. I hope she gets closure soon, however running to the papers is not the answer.

 

[Gronk]

Wait a second... was this a conscious wording or have the Antartic Atlantean pizza makers brainwashed you?

Believe me ....

 

[strider]

Seriously? What about someone using their money and influence to achieve the outcome they want over another person isnt the definition of coercion strides?

What's deniable about Cartwright being a slime bag?

You may well be right ... and yeah i think bryce is probably a dopey prick .... but you have absolutely no f**king idea how it all went down - none of us do

 

[Bazal]

Sorry mate you can't play the coerced card after you appoint your own lawyer to draw up a contract (I'll terminate if you give me $50k). You only do that for one reason - to make sure you get paid.

Nasty stuff. Feel for her but you cannot claim that she was an unwitting or unwilling participant to the deal. Now she regrets it, which is sad. I hope she gets closure soon, however running to the papers is not the answer.

Of course she was coerced. What she did after the coercion was make she didn't get screwed (pun slightly intended) but that doesn't for a single second mean she wasn't coerced.

 

[Bazal]

You may well be right ... and yeah i think bryce is probably a dopey prick .... but you have absolutely no f**king idea how it all went down - none of us do

I'm not claiming to understand exactly how it went down, mate. I'm saying that a well regarded person with quite a bit of money offering a 20 year old girl who has just accidentally fallen pregnant 50k, getting officials involved in the process, is absolutely coercion and an exercise in control.

She may well have eventually decided to abort anyway, but Cartwright has 100% coerced her into doing so because that's what he wanted.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Seriously? What about someone using their money and influence to achieve the outcome they want over another person isnt the definition of coercion strides?

What's deniable about Cartwright being a slime bag?

Coercion implies the use of force or threats. It does not imply the offering of financial or other 'incentives'.

coercion
kəʊˈəːʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: coercion; plural noun: coercions

1. the action or practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
   "it wasn't slavery because no coercion was used"
   synonyms: force, compulsion, constraint, duress, oppression, enforcement, harassment, intimidation, threats, insistence, demand, arm-twisting, pressure, pressurization, influence
   "it wasn't slavery because no coercion was used"
   antonyms: persuasion

https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sou...AU710AU710&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=coercion&*

 

[Gronk]

Of course she was coerced. What she did after the coercion was make she didn't get screwed (pun slightly intended) but that doesn't for a single second mean she wasn't coerced.

If she was told to meet a merkin at the coles carpark and she was pressured into signing a document in return for money, then yes coerced. But to instruct her own lawyer etc - she had heaps of opportunity to say no and also seek counsel from her lawyer regarding intimidation by getting AVOs on BC and his cronies.

 

[Bazal]

Coercion implies the use of force or threats. It does not imply the offering of financial or other 'incentives'.

Coercion implies the use of threats, force, authority or power.

What about throwing 50k at a problem to make it go away isn't the use of power or authority? Or force for that matter? It doesn't have to be physical force....what kind of mental pressure do you reckon 50k puts on a worried 20 year old? Is that not using force?

 

[Gazzamatta]

Sorry Gronk. The way I read the article, the contract was provided by those associated with The Panthers. In fact it states the woman refused to sign it. It also states she was also asked to sign a confidentiality agreement.

 

[El Diablo]

Of course it is, but I'd not expect you to understand how

then why hasn't he been charged?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Coercion implies the use of threats, force, authority or power.

What about throwing 50k at a problem to make it go away isn't the use of power or authority? Or force for that matter? It doesn't have to be physical force....what kind of mental pressure do you reckon 50k puts on a worried 20 year old? Is that not using force?

It's not coercion. It may not be good, and it may constitute illegal behaviour in another sense (not talking about any particular case). E.g. if you offer a financial inducement for someone to commit crime that is illegal, but that still wouldn't be coercion.

Now, if you say, 'If you don't do X' I'm going to take your $$$/home/assets.....that is coercion..

 

[Bazal]

Sorry Gronk. The way I read the article, the contract was provided by those associated with The Panthers. In fact it states the woman refused to sign it. It also states she was also asked to sign a confidentiality agreement.

That's 100% coercion

 

[El Diablo]

Of course she was coerced ffs. She's in her early 20s, probably tremendously lost about what to do and she was offered offered more money than she probably makes in a year at that age...how on earth do you figure she wasn't coerced?

do you know her?

 

[Bazal]

It's not coercion. It may not be good, and it may constitute illegal behaviour in another sense (not talking about any particular case). E.g. if you offer a financial inducement for someone to commit crime that is illegal, but that still wouldn't be coercion.

Now, if you say, 'If you don't do X' I'm going to take your $$$/home/assets.....that is coercion..

How is using intimidation to achieve the result you want anything but coercion?

 

[Bazal]

do you know her?

Are you deliberately this stupid, or is it the inbreeding?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

How is using intimidation to achieve the result you want anything but coercion?

I'm talking about your argument that offering a financial inducement constitutes coercion. It doesn't.

What evidence (rather than speculation) have you got of intimidation? It's quite possible, but I'm not sure how any of us know enough of the facts to conclude that.