Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

I assume the Dragons still don't want to go for 3 years .

Gutho should have stayed at the Eels in 25 and then taken 3 years in the UK..

He has a young family and a house on the northern beaches. Why would he want to go to Northern England? He is still an NRL player. It’s just a matter of how much he’s worth.

 

[Legal Eel]

Matt Arthur does have massive potential. Look how good he was in reserve grade this year, despite still being eligible for SG Ball.

If you think he just wanted to create pathways for his children, why did he extend both Moses and Drown? Why didn’t he give Matt Arthur his NRL debut?

He got sacked before he could debut Matt Arthur.

He had no choice with Moses and Drown, as if he had have promoted that plodder child's career ahead of either of them he would have been gone. Even he knew that.

Only you are still litigating Jake Arthur as a first grader - not even his Dad is.

With hooker it was different, there was no one to "move on", Reed had already gone and opened it up...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

see above - we chose a disposable short term option (and crock) because we wanted the hooker position available for Arthur junior...all of the rugby league world knows that.

And you will deride that information and spout crap about the cap, but history has proven that our coach either didn't value the hooker position and didn't realise how important it was, or wanted it for his plodder son.....

Of course there were other options, only the mentally weak and yourself regularly peddle the "there is no one or nothing else" fallacy....

Now you’re just pushing conspiracy theories. Arthur still hadn’t debuted his son by the time he left, despite him being ready (we know this because Barrett gave him his debut). And any hooker could’ve been signed for as long as required until Arthur was old enough to come into the top 17. It didn’t need to be an old one to create a pathway for Matt Arthur. Blokes don’t need to retire to be moved on. They don’t even need their contracts to expire. Look at RCG and Sivo.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He got sacked before he could debut Matt Arthur.

He had no choice with Moses and Drown, as if he had have promoted that plodder child's career ahead of either of them he would have been gone. Even he knew that.

Only you are still litigating Jake Arthur as a first grader - not even his Dad is.

With hooker it was different, there was no one to "move on", Reed had already gone and opened it up...

I’ve never said Jake Arthur is a first grader. I said he might be one day. At the moment he’s a backup.

If you’re going to lie about what people have said you’ll lose credibility. Look at the example of poor old bartman, or whatever he’s calling himself these days.

 

[Legal Eel]

Now you’re just pushing conspiracy theories. Arthur still hadn’t debuted his son by the time he left, despite him being ready (we know this because Barrett gave him his debut). And any hooker could’ve been signed for as long as required until Arthur was old enough to come into the top 17. It didn’t need to be an old one to create a pathway for Matt Arthur. Blokes don’t need to retire to be moved on. They don’t even need their contracts to expire. Look at RCG and Sivo.

You really carry a torch for the Arthur's (and any decision he made) in the face of all reason, don't you?

Oh well, to each his own, there will be no convincing you of anything that you didn't conceive yourself, so let's leave it at that.

 

[Legal Eel]

I’ve never said Jake Arthur is a first grader. I said he might be one day. At the moment he’s a backup.

If you’re going to like about what people have said you’ll lose credibility. Look at the example of poor old bartman, or whatever he’s calling himself these days.

I accept I cant scour the site with the your proficiency, but your advocacy for Jake Arthur as a first grader is universally acknowledged - or are you revising that bit of history as well?

I accept you would never change your mind regardless of the quality of an opposing position, but I honestly didn't think you were one to lie about your past opinions...or is it just that you have circled around so many positions on certain topics that you claim validation on any of them?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You really carry a torch for the Arthur's (and any decision he made) in the face of all reason, don't you?

You’re the one who keeps bringing them up. I just have a passion for factual accuracy.

Oh well, to each his own, there will be no convincing you of anything that you didn't conceive yourself, so let's leave it at that.

When the club sacked him I was convinced the players were no longer responding to his leadership. Prior to that, they were, which is why we were competitive every year from 2019 to 2023 inclusive. It’s only this year that we were uncompetitive, with a bunch of merkins having their career worst season. That’s why Arthur was sacked this year, and not in previous years.

The club knows what it’s doing. That’s why I’m excited about Ryles. It’s why I supported Arthur.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I accept I cant scour the site with the your proficiency, but your advocacy for Jake Arthur as a first grader is universally acknowledged - or are you revising that bit of history as well?

I accept you would never change your mind regardless of the quality of an opposing position, but I honestly didn't think you were one to lie about your past opinions...or is it just that you have circled around so many positions on certain topics that you claim validation on any of them?

There’s a search function. Learn to use it instead of misquoting people.

 

[Legal Eel]

You’re the one who keeps bringing them up. I just have a passion for factual accuracy.

When the club sacked him I was convinced the players were no longer responding to his leadership. Prior to that, they were, which is why we were competitive every year from 2019 to 2023 inclusive. It’s only this year that we were uncompetitive, with a bunch of merkins having their career worst season. That’s why Arthur was sacked this year, and not in previous years.

The club knows what it’s doing. That’s why I’m excited about Ryles. It’s why I supported Arthur.

Rubbish.

you supported Arthur because the majority wanted him sacked - end of story. Same as Kearney, Sandow, Watmough, Hodgson et al.

Contrarianism at its finest

 

[Legal Eel]

There’s a search function. Learn to use it instead of misquoting people.

Did i misquote you did I?

I attributed an opinion to you - and it is an opinion you have relentlessly litigated for four years now.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Rubbish.

you supported Arthur because the majority wanted him sacked - end of story. Same as Kearney, Sandow, Watmough, Hodgson et al.

Contrarianism at its finest

I supported Arthur because the majority didn’t matter. The club knows what it’s doing, and they know sacking people without suitable replacements is what pissy, childish merkins would do. The kind of pissy, childish merkins you find on the internet.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Did i misquote you did I?

I attributed an opinion to you - and it is an opinion you have relentlessly litigated for four years now.

Then find a single quote where I’ve claimed he was a first grader. My opinion has always been that every club needs backups. That’s why there’s a top 30. It’s why Jake Arthur is currently in another club’s top 30, as a backup. Nobody can afford thirty first graders. In fact most clubs don’t even have 17 of them. Look at Bellamy’s bench in the grand final.

 

[Legal Eel]

Then find a single quote where I’ve claimed he was a first grader. My opinion has always been that every club needs backups. That’s why there’s a top 30. It’s why Jake Arthur is currently in another club’s top 30, as a backup. Nobody can afford thirty first graders. In fact most clubs don’t even have 17 of them. Look at Bellamy’s bench in the grand final.

Except we carried a half on our bench in case of injury - something we haven’t had the need to do since he left

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Kelma married I think Joe as well.

Kelma didn’t marry Joe.

 

[Tiger5150]

Would be a weak move by his manager to leave him dangling without a contract.
Puts him is a weak negotiating position.

Doesnt he have a contract with Parra?

 

[Johnny88]

*** more on the Gutho story​

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Gutherson ‘frustrated’ at pace of Dragons negotiations​

Gutherson is on the hunt for a new club.​

It was reported earlier this week that the major sticking point in the deal being done was over the length.

Reports suggested Gutherson wanted three years to move to the Dragons immediately, but the club were only willing to offer a two-year deal.

It is the same sticking point which stopped the Dragons from signing Reagan Campbell-Gillard in September. The prop eventually signed a three-year deal with the Gold Coast Titans, turning his back on the offer available from the Red V, who have been desperate to bring in more experience ahead of 2025.

Gutherson 'frustrated' at pace of Dragons negotiations

Gutherson is on the hunt for a new club.

www.zerotackle.com

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Except we carried a half on our bench in case of injury - something we haven’t had the need to do since he left

Coaches are free to pick whoever they want in that fourth bench spot. If they want to reward a strong trainer that’s their business. It won’t stop them getting into a grand final.

 

[Avenger]

He was excellent for us. The team was worse because we lost Hayne. Watmough got the blame for it.

Yet you loved it when Hayne left and said it was best he left and was responsible for two spoons.

Get the f**k out of here, my memory hasn’t failed yet.

 

[hindy111]

Yet you loved it when Hayne left and said it was best he left and was responsible for two spoons.

Get the f**k out of here, my memory hasn’t failed yet.

A.Watmough was one of the top 5 signings in the clubs history. Those 12 games he played for us before he retired from injury where nothing short of sensational.

 

[TheCrowe]

Doesnt he have a contract with Parra?

That's what Im saying. I doubt he would take a release before he has a new contract.
If it falls through I assume he is on our roster for 25.