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Perth Tiger

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Is there many Manly players worth raiding? DCE and the Turbos are no chance. Neither that back rower. Shuster sounds like here would be a disaster for us. Unfit, unmotivated and immature, imagine what he would be like with us. I have no idea what their juniors are like.

I would rather Sam walker if the rooster let him go
 

Trollhammaren

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Is there many Manly players worth raiding? DCE and the Turbos are no chance. Neither that back rower. Shuster sounds like here would be a disaster for us. Unfit, unmotivated and immature, imagine what he would be like with us. I have no idea what their juniors are like.

I would rather Sam walker if the rooster let him go

The only ones I'd personally take (considering, like you mentioned, no chance of getting Turbo) would be Garrick and Bullemor. Wouldn't want any of their anti-rainbow brigade.
 

simmo1

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Schuster is terrible. A lazy & unmotivated slug who wants to play in the halves to avoid doing any of the hard work in the forwards. He is injured every second week and attitude issues to boot. He is one of quite a few players at Manly who have been made to look much better than they are by Tommy Turbo. I honestly cannot think of a player being a worse fit for us right now.

I look forward to Pascoe announcing his signing any day now.
 

Tigerm

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Is there many Manly players worth raiding? DCE and the Turbos are no chance. Neither that back rower. Shuster sounds like here would be a disaster for us. Unfit, unmotivated and immature, imagine what he would be like with us. I have no idea what their juniors are like.

I would rather Sam walker if the rooster let him go
Agree re Walker, we should be talking to him.

I can remember Schuster giving it to us a few times, but if he is lazy and unmotivated then I agree, BUT if you could unlock him, he would be a prize.
Not sure if we have the people who could do that, or he just may need a change?

Though, in saying that, I think a 7 is a priority, hope I’m wrong, but just don’t see Brooks holding the weekend form consistently, his game on the weekend would have won us a few games this season already I think and is so badly needed, so I’d be happy to see how he and Wakeham develop?

Is Bulla our answer to FB, a bit early, but he certainly looks like he will be.

The wings and centres are starting to come good, so hard to really see who we need atm except perhaps some depth players.

The forwards are going from strength to strength and we have good depth.

I guess the answer will be in what they do with signings, re Brooks etc?
 
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WA Tiger

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"The Wests Tigers' mission is to win a few surprise games every season against better teams to satisfy our ageing fan base and Josh Schuster is an integral part of that vision"

- Justin Pascoe, probably View attachment 73590
Why isn’t Schuster motivated …he’s a very tough personality and very clever ..Siebold may be sliding back into his old inflexible ways. Imo it wouldn’t be wise for siebold to go cold on Shuster. Shuster wouldn’t back down. Maybe better with us. I loved his great uncle John shuster the all black and knights convert. This boys special he’d fill a massive hole, just about the only gap in what could be a pretty competitive team (With wakeham)and we can’t afford to be too fussy. For me worth the risk. “Only” $800k to match current salary. Better than what you’d pay for 100% definite? star who prob wouldn’t come anyway
 
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BRISBANE BRONCOS​

Players off contract: 10

Corey Oates (PO 2024/2025), Ethan Quai, Jordan Pereira, Logan Bayliss, Josh Rogers, Tyson Smoothy, Martin Taupau, Tristan Sailor, Brendan Frei


CANTERBURY BULLDOGS​

Players off contract: 13

Bailey Biondi-Odo, Braidon Burns, Brandon Clarke, Kyle Flanagan, Jayden Okunbor, Chris Patolo, Luke Thompson, Corey Waddell, Declan Casey, Jake Averillo, Samuel Hughes, Joseph O'Neill, Josh Reynolds


CANBERRA RAIDERS​

Players off contract: 11

Adrien Trevilyan, Albert Hopoate, Brad Schneider, Clay Webb, Emre Guler, Jarrod Croker (PO 2024), Jordan Rapana, Matt Frawley, Peter Hola (MO 2024), Tom Starling (PO 2024), Jayden Clarkson


CRONULLA SHARKS​

Players off contract: 7

Jayden Berrell, Mawene Hiroti, Royce Hunt (PO 2024), Teig Wilton, Wade Graham, Josh Finau, Sam Stonestreet


DOLPHINS​

Players off contract: 6

Herman Ese'ese (PO 2024), JJ Collins, Oliver Gildart, Poasa Faamausili, Tesi Niu, Michael Roberts


GOLD COAST TITANS​

Players off contract: 7

Jacob Alick (CO 2024), Tony Francis, Patrick Herbert, Brian Kelly, Sam McIntyre, Joseph Vuna


MANLY SEA EAGLES​

Players off contract: 11

Brad Parker, Ethan Bullemor, Kaeo Weekes, Morgan Boyle, Morgan Harper, Raymond Vaega, Samuela Fainu, Gordon Chan Kum Tong, Jacob Sykes, Jamie Humphreys, Aaron Woods


MELBOURNE STORM

Players off contract: 10

Dean Ieremia, George Jennings, Jayden Nikorima, Jordan Grant, Josh King, Tariq Sims, Tepai Moeroa, Tom Eisenhuth (CO 2024), Will Warbrick, Cole Geyer


NEW ZEALAND WARRIORS

Players off contract: 4

Adam Pompey, Bayley Sironen, Shaun Johnson, Demitric Sifakula


NEWCASTLE KNIGHTS

Players off contract: 14

Adam Clune, Bailey Hodgson, Brodie Jones, Dylan Lucas (PO 2024), Enari Tuala, Hymel Hunt, Jack Johns, Kurt Mann, Lachlan Fitzgibbon, Tyson Frizell, Chris Vea'ila, Kobe Rugless, Miles Martin, Tavita Toloi


NORTH QUEENSLAND COWBOYS

Players off contract: 16

Ben Hampton, Brendan Elliot, Gehamat Shibasaki, Jack Gosiewski, Jake Bourke, Jake Granville, Jamayne Taunoa-Brown, James Tamou, Jordan McLean, Jordan Lipp, Laitia Moceidreke, Mitch Dunn, Peta Hiku, Riley Price, Taniela Sadrugu, Ragarive Wavik


PARRAMATTA EELS

Players off contract: 8

Bailey Simonsson (CO 2024), Bryce Cartwright, Josh Hodgson (CO 2024), Mitch Rein, Ofahiki Ogden (CO 2024), Samuel Loizou, Waqa Blake, Wiremu Greig


PENRITH PANTHERS

Players off contract: 9

Chris Smith, Eddie Blacker, Jack Cogger, Jaeman Salmon, Scott Sorensen, Soni Luke, Thomas Jenkins, Tyrone Peachey, Mavrik Geyer


SOUTH SYDNEY RABBITOHS

Players off contract: 7

Blake Taaffe, Dean Hawkins, Hame Sele, Jed Cartwright, Liam Knight, Michael Chee Kam, Terrell Kalo Kalo


ST. GEORGE ILLAWARRA DRAGONS

Players off contract: 10

Billy Burns, Jack de Belin (PO 2024), Michael Molo (MO 2024), Mikaele Ravalawa (PO 2024), Moses Mbye, Nick Tui-Loso, Tautau Moga, Tyrell Fuimaono, Conor Muhleisen, Sione Finau


SYDNEY ROOSTERS

Players off contract: 12

Nathan Brown, Billy Smith, Connor Watson, Corey Allan, Daniel Tupou, Drew Hutchison, Fletcher Baker, Jake Turpin, Jared Waerea-Hargreaves, Jaxson Paulo (PO 2024), Thomas Deakin, Vuate Karawalevu


WESTS TIGERS

Players off contract: 9

Alex Seyfarth, Apisalome Saukuru, Charlie Staines, Daine Laurie, Luke Brooks, Tuki Simpkins, Christian Ma'anaima, Josh Feledy, Kitione Kautoga
 

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Worst NRL teams: Longest winless runs to start a season​

Story by Kye Kuncoro • Yesterday 9:57 am


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Worst NRL teams: Longest winless runs to start a season
Worst NRL teams: Longest winless runs to start a season© Provided by Sporting News
Throughout the history of the NRL, there has been no shortage of woeful clubs.
If you thought the Wests Tigers' start to the 2023 season was bad, think again.
With seven straight losses, nine straight losses, and sometimes even over half a season, there seemed to be no end to the misery for the respective clubs' fans during this season.
Let's take a look at the seven worst season starts in the NRL era.
MORE: State of Origin 2023: Game 1 predicted team lists for NSW and Queensland

7. 2018 Parramatta Eels​

Making the finals has been the norm for Parramatta in recent years, but it wasn't long ago when the situation for Eels fans was dire.
Mitchell Moses, Clint Gutherson, Jarryd Hayne, Corey Norman and Michael Jennings were all household names in 2018.
Expectations were high coming off a finals appearance the year prior, and with the names they possessed, no one could have seen their poor start coming.
The Eels won their first game seven rounds into 2018 with a point differential of -72, worse than the Wests Tigers currently.
Outside of some Hayne brilliance, the Eels struggled all season.
They conceded 40 points four separate times across the year and finished the year as wooden spooners with an awful point differential of -172.
MORE: NRL Injury List 2023: Every club's casualty ward

6. 2021 Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs​

The 2021 Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs were a tough watch.
In the pre-Matt Burton, Reed Mahoney, and Josh Addo-Carr era, the Dogs struggled significantly in attack.
Their 70 points scored before their Round 7 win is the worst attacking output of any team on this list.
Where teams thrived playing attacking footy under the new rule changes, the Bulldogs floundered.
They were exceptionally poor all season, and it would take another seven rounds for their next win and then 11 more rounds for their third and final win of the season.
This would equal the second worst win total by a team in NRL history.
At least the tide is seemingly turning in Belmore as the Dogs are at least once again competitive.

5. 1999 Manly Sea Eagles​

With stars like captain Geoff Toovey and Steve "Beaver" Menzies, few would have expected such a terrible start.
Led by the late and legendary Bob Fulton, the Sea Eagles lost their first six games before claiming a win in Round 7.
Unfortunately, for Fulton, this poor run would lead to his firing.
The Sea Eagles would go on a three-game winning streak after the poor run and, unlike most on this list, finished the year relatively strongly.
The 1999 season was the end of a successful era for the Sea Eagles as many of their stars had gone from their mid-90s teams.

4. 2023 Wests Tigers​

In what might be the worst era to be a Tigers fan, which is saying a lot, they might take solace that their nightmare start to 2023 didn't have them top of this list.
Their round eight clash with Manly looked like being the drought-breaker when Starford To'a put them in front with 15 minutes to go.
Unfortunately, they couldn't hold out for long as Jason Saab scored from a kick to give the Sea Eagles the match-wining lead.
They wouldn't have to wait too much longer to find themselves in the winners' circle though, knocking off reigning premiers Penrith with a gutsy 12-8 victory in Bathurst.
Talk about releasing the pressure valve.

3. 2002 Penrith Panthers​

The 2002 Penrith Panthers side did not win a game for eight entire rounds.
During this run, the Panthers experienced their third biggest loss in their history, conceding 64 points to the Eels.
Coach John Lang survived this torrid opening to his tenure, steering the Panthers to a premiership just a year later.
That side was largely unchanged, except for the arrival of an electric Preston Campbell.
The Panthers seemingly turned it around on their own, an example of how fortunes can change quickly.

2. 2006 South Sydney Rabbitohs​

It's no secret that the Bunnies were terrible in the early to mid-2000s.
No one suffered like Bunnies fans during this period, as they were frequently at the bottom of the table.
Their 2008 season could have made this list with just one win in 12 rounds, but they managed to beat that with their 2006 season, where they did not win a game for 14 rounds.
In 2006, the Rabbitohs experienced their worst loss in club history, a 66-0 thumping against the Warriors.
This prompted the club to provide a full apology to their fans and the press.
The few shining lights were Nathan Merritt, who weirdly finished as the competition's top try-scorer on the worst team, and David Fa'alogo, who represented the Kiwis at the time.

1. 2005 Newcastle Knights​

The 2005 Newcastle Knights remarkably went 13 games without a win before their round 16 victory over the Panthers.
The Knights would go through both their byes before getting their first win, as they were winless for over half a season.
The return of Andrew Johns altered the season significantly as the club went on to win eight of their final 11 games.
This would not be enough to fight off the wooden spoon, as their eight wins made them the winningest club to come last.
Johns' late-year heroics would also place him 2nd for the Dally M after only featuring in 16 games.
The 2016 season, although starting better with a win and a draw in their first six games, was also atrocious.
The Knights finished the year with just that sole win and draw, losing 19 consecutive games. It may not have been the club's worst start, but it needed a mention.
 

Ron's_Mate

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Secrets in Tiger Town: Why board hid Fulton signing from Sheens and Marshall
By Michael Chammas and Adam Pengilly
May 1, 2023 — 6.42pm

Wests Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis has defended the club’s decision to sign Scott Fulton as the club’s head of recruitment without consulting NRL coach Tim Sheens and his assistant Benji Marshall.

The Tigers last week secured the services of Bob Fulton’s son, a long-time talent scout at Manly, to join the club immediately.

The decision came as a surprise to Sheens and his right-hand man, Warren McDonnell, whose role in recruitment at the club has now been diluted.

Hagipantelis said the board, alongside chief executive Justin Pascoe, were responsible for negotiations and didn’t feel they had an obligation to keep the coach, or McDonnell, in the loop with their plans for the club.

“The decision was made in the best interest of the Wests Tigers,” Hagipantelis said. “An opportunity presented itself to the board. The board dealt with it quickly, undertaking all necessary due diligence. There was of course a great deal of commercial sensitivity given the gentleman involved was employed by another club, and we were very respectful of that.

“The decision was taken to deal with the matter at board level with our CEO. We acted promptly and in the best interest of the club. This is another resource which we’ve added to our football department and we’re very excited to welcome Scott to the Wests Tigers.”

Fulton will take over the recruitment of the NRL squad, while McDonnell has been told he will now focus on junior pathways.

The decision to pursue Fulton came after the club missed out on signing Parramatta’s Mitchell Moses after a widely publicised pursuit of the halfback.

McDonnell had asked to negotiate on his own with Moses’ agent Isaac Moses given his relationship with the player-manager and his preference to keep discussions confidential.

The Tigers board granted McDonnell his request but were disappointed with the outcome of the negotiations. An offer was never taken back to the board for approval, leaving Tigers powerbrokers concerned the club had been used as leverage for Moses to extract more money out of Parramatta.

Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe has twice previously moved on McDonnell from the club.

He returned to the club at the end of 2021 when Sheens made it a prerequisite for him accepting the job as the Tigers’ director of rugby league, with an ultimatum that forced the club to move on highly regarded former general manager Adam Hartigan.

Hartigan has since been employed by Bulldogs general manager Phil Gould to work alongside Cameron Ciraldo and the club’s recruitment staff.

Tigers sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity due to the delicate nature of the situation, say that Sheens’ nose has been put out of joint by Fulton’s appointment but Hagipanetlis said he did not envisage any tension as a result of the club’s decisions.

“I do not anticipate there will be any concerns or issues with what is a wonderful addition to our football department despite the efforts of some to suggest that there may be,” Hagipantelis said.

“Everyone that is employed by the Wests Tigers is employed for the sole purpose of furthering the interest of the Wests Tigers only. This was not a situation of our making in that the opportunity was presented to the board.

“The board fully explored the opportunity and made the decision that the engagement of Scott would be in the best interest of the Wests Tigers. He’s employed in addition to our current resources and we think he will greatly benefit our recruitment program.”

Fulton had been in talks with the Dragons about joining the embattled club, which risks missing the finals for the fifth successive year.

But with the club yet to decide on who will be their coach beyond this season, the negotiations with Fulton never reached the pointy end. He became increasingly frustrated and was open to other opportunities.

That was when the Tigers pounced. It was only last week the board floated the prospect of luring Fulton to Concord, and within days the agreement had been brokered.

The Tigers recognise the speed with which Fulton closes out player deals, and were impressed at the ease in which their own negotiations with him progressed.

“The board and I acted swiftly when the opportunity was presented to us and we believe the appointment of Scott Fulton will be a great addition to the club and the current football program,” Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe said.

 

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Secrets in Tiger Town: Why board hid Fulton signing from Sheens and Marshall
By Michael Chammas and Adam Pengilly
May 1, 2023 — 6.42pm

Wests Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis has defended the club’s decision to sign Scott Fulton as the club’s head of recruitment without consulting NRL coach Tim Sheens and his assistant Benji Marshall.

The Tigers last week secured the services of Bob Fulton’s son, a long-time talent scout at Manly, to join the club immediately.

The decision came as a surprise to Sheens and his right-hand man, Warren McDonnell, whose role in recruitment at the club has now been diluted.

Hagipantelis said the board, alongside chief executive Justin Pascoe, were responsible for negotiations and didn’t feel they had an obligation to keep the coach, or McDonnell, in the loop with their plans for the club.

“The decision was made in the best interest of the Wests Tigers,” Hagipantelis said. “An opportunity presented itself to the board. The board dealt with it quickly, undertaking all necessary due diligence. There was of course a great deal of commercial sensitivity given the gentleman involved was employed by another club, and we were very respectful of that.

“The decision was taken to deal with the matter at board level with our CEO. We acted promptly and in the best interest of the club. This is another resource which we’ve added to our football department and we’re very excited to welcome Scott to the Wests Tigers.”

Fulton will take over the recruitment of the NRL squad, while McDonnell has been told he will now focus on junior pathways.

The decision to pursue Fulton came after the club missed out on signing Parramatta’s Mitchell Moses after a widely publicised pursuit of the halfback.

McDonnell had asked to negotiate on his own with Moses’ agent Isaac Moses given his relationship with the player-manager and his preference to keep discussions confidential.

The Tigers board granted McDonnell his request but were disappointed with the outcome of the negotiations. An offer was never taken back to the board for approval, leaving Tigers powerbrokers concerned the club had been used as leverage for Moses to extract more money out of Parramatta.


Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe has twice previously moved on McDonnell from the club.

He returned to the club at the end of 2021 when Sheens made it a prerequisite for him accepting the job as the Tigers’ director of rugby league, with an ultimatum that forced the club to move on highly regarded former general manager Adam Hartigan.

Hartigan has since been employed by Bulldogs general manager Phil Gould to work alongside Cameron Ciraldo and the club’s recruitment staff.

Tigers sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity due to the delicate nature of the situation, say that Sheens’ nose has been put out of joint by Fulton’s appointment but Hagipanetlis said he did not envisage any tension as a result of the club’s decisions.

“I do not anticipate there will be any concerns or issues with what is a wonderful addition to our football department despite the efforts of some to suggest that there may be,” Hagipantelis said.

“Everyone that is employed by the Wests Tigers is employed for the sole purpose of furthering the interest of the Wests Tigers only. This was not a situation of our making in that the opportunity was presented to the board.

“The board fully explored the opportunity and made the decision that the engagement of Scott would be in the best interest of the Wests Tigers. He’s employed in addition to our current resources and we think he will greatly benefit our recruitment program.”

Fulton had been in talks with the Dragons about joining the embattled club, which risks missing the finals for the fifth successive year.

But with the club yet to decide on who will be their coach beyond this season, the negotiations with Fulton never reached the pointy end. He became increasingly frustrated and was open to other opportunities.

That was when the Tigers pounced. It was only last week the board floated the prospect of luring Fulton to Concord, and within days the agreement had been brokered.

The Tigers recognise the speed with which Fulton closes out player deals, and were impressed at the ease in which their own negotiations with him progressed.

“The board and I acted swiftly when the opportunity was presented to us and we believe the appointment of Scott Fulton will be a great addition to the club and the current football program,” Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe said.

I guess that means McDonald only has another year left with the club after Sheens finishes coaching?
 

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The son of Sea Eagles legend Bob Fulton is the former lead of Manly's recruitment and could prove instrumental in the Tigers hopes to sign out of favour five-eighth Josh Schuster according to The Sydney Morning Herald.

Schuster has featured in just three games this season and has been relegated from the first grade side to reportedly focus on his fitness and recover from a slight injury.

I said earlier, if they got him and could get his body and mind right, he could be a weapon?
 
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If he's having issues at manly he'll have the same issues here. We are not a club renowned for turning problem / lazy players into dedicated footballers.

If we could pick him up at $250k tops I'd think about that as a possibly worthwhile project. He won't sign for that though.

He seems more the type of player who'd drag others down to his level. That's a hard no from me.
 

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That is a hell of a big if. Outside of Prince and Hodgo I don’t think there has been a player we have succeeded in that
Of course it is a big if, but if we could, the kid certainly has talent.
Not saying he is the one, but just think we need to keep trying, there isn’t a lot of options around?
 

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