Sack Adam O'Brien

[Sir Galahad]

wow now he's really getting desperate

even if true it isnt exactly something you air publicly

I bet those in charge of trying to bring quality players to the Knights are over the moon with his comments.

 

[Mr_Knightside]

Yes I get that and part of me agrees. It definitely is getting very close (if not there already) to stop the excuses for AOB though. IF he makes it to 2023, then he has to be on the hot seat from the get go. No more 5-game losing streaks or wildly fluctuating performances.

We might be like the Tigers, just 12 months behind. Them holding onto Madge this year did absolutely nothing to help them along.

Yeah for sure, if he makes it through this year then he needs to be under the gun from the get go next year and I would expect to see a big change to the way the team plays as well as the actual results. We need to be more creative and less structured with the ball and grittier without it. Having 40 put on us at home every second week isn’t acceptable. My hope is that AOB really looks hard at his coaching style and philosophy in the back half of this season so that if he’s still at the helm in 2023 then he’s able to get a different response from the team than what he’s getting now.

 

[Knight Tales]

I don’t think Gardner will be very impressed by O’Brien’s comments yesterday. Adam forgot the one thing big organisations don’t do : Admit they are wrong. Reputation and finances are fully dependant on not openly questioning a culture and especially claiming it has been decades old with problems. It is true. That is beside the point.
He forgets the Knights are very much at the forefront of WESTS Group now. he needs a PA to tell him what to say. Most is just cliched garbage. I reckon this week the pressure gauge is going to 11 via the media. Gardner Will no longer be able to hide. The home losses are the issue. They are humiliating. And if I hear the word ‘effort’ one more time ……

 

[Spot On]

Club won’t be too happy if the media really probe into his comments till the ship is turned around.

Decades of ‘ingrained stuff’ they need to get on top of, and that is not quick fix, could take a decade to address at the rate the Knights adapt to anything rugby league related.

Bennett said 5 years to fix the joint.

Is this the 6th year since that comment?

Going off the Gus and Penrith example (10 yrs) we only have to wait 4 yrs for O’Brien to fix it.

 

[aqua_duck]

Club won’t be too happy if the media really probe into his comments till the ship is turned around.

Decades of ‘ingrained stuff’ they need to get on top of, and that is not quick fix, could take a decade to address at the rate the Knights adapt to anything rugby league related.

Bennett said 5 years to fix the joint.

Is this the 6th year since that comment?

Going off the Gus and Penrith example (10 yrs) we only have to wait 4 yrs for O’Brien to fix it.

difference is you could see Gus had a plan even if you didn't agree with it, we have no plan, no clean out, no reset. AOB does not have the intestinal fortitude to make tough calls

 

[alexwilliams_66692007]

Club won’t be too happy if the media really probe into his comments till the ship is turned around.

Decades of ‘ingrained stuff’ they need to get on top of, and that is not quick fix, could take a decade to address at the rate the Knights adapt to anything rugby league related.

Bennett said 5 years to fix the joint.

Is this the 6th year since that comment?

Going off the Gus and Penrith example (10 yrs) we only have to wait 4 yrs for O’Brien to fix it.

He said that in 2014 so we're closer to the 10th year now

 

[Spot On]

Bennett was not into fixing the joint so we’d have to start the count from the beginning of Nathan Brown’s tenure - 2016.

 

[alexwilliams_66692007]

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[The Axe of Druss]

difference is you could see Gus had a plan even if you didn't agree with it, we have no plan, no clean out, no reset. AOB does not have the intestinal fortitude to make tough calls

Not exactly true

Have a look at our juniors compared to 5-6 years ago. Flegg and Matts are killing it

Not saying the job is done yet but it all starts with fixing the junior systems and i think there's fair evidence that at least thats been addressed

 

[aqua_duck]

Not exactly true

Have a look at our juniors compared to 5-6 years ago. Flegg and Matts are killing it

Not saying the job is done yet but it all starts with fixing the junior systems and i think there's fair evidence that at least thats been addressed

mats were killing it years ago too, the issue is those players have long failed to kick on. In any case it does not at all address the 'ingrained' issues AOB admitted to. Most would agree those ingrained issues have been as a result of players having a sense of entitlement, nothing says entitlement more than charity contracts because we felt sorry for you that no one else wanted you.

 

[Jono078]

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It's an outstanding comment. Would love to know what he means specifically.

There are cycles in sport (heck, everything in life). Nothing I can imagine would be lingering around for 20 years and holding us back.

 

[Knight Tales]

It's an outstanding comment. Would love to know what he means specifically.

There are cycles in sport (heck, everything in life). Nothing I can imagine would be lingering around for 20 years and holding us back.

Langy is always well considered with his tweets. They are non biased. Just loves the game and keeps it real.

 

[Seage]

mats were killing it years ago too, the issue is those players have long failed to kick on. In any case it does not at all address the 'ingrained' issues AOB admitted to. Most would agree those ingrained issues have been as a result of players having a sense of entitlement, nothing says entitlement more than charity contracts because we felt sorry for you that no one else wanted you.

Almost like we need a pathways coach from a successful system who knows how to get talented juniors through to competent first graders.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

mats were killing it years ago too, the issue is those players have long failed to kick on. In any case it does not at all address the 'ingrained' issues AOB admitted to. Most would agree those ingrained issues have been as a result of players having a sense of entitlement, nothing says entitlement more than charity contracts because we felt sorry for you that no one else wanted you.

Agree with you there mate

 

[Yosh]

It's simple. Do we have any chance of winning the comp with AOB coaching? Even a 1% chance. Hell no.

He needs to go.

 

[Jono078]

I didn't want to create a new thread, but the numbers over the 3 years AOB have been here are damning. You could easily argue that he walked into a great position that Brown had built him and has completely squandered it.



Look at the points scored and points conceded over the years. We're 40% worse off in those metrics from the time he started and the decline is very visible to see there. I don't think any club would accept that kind of decline over 3 years?

We also need a goal kicker. How in the f**k over the past 3 years have we not been able to get a goal kicker to keep us above 75% for the year.

 

[Spot On]

We’ll O’Brien is on record saying:

a. He arrived at the club with the roster strong enough to play semi finals. Did so his first two seasons although could not win one.

b. Said the Knights defence had been its Achilles heel for yonks and spent the first two season concentrating on it. This has now gone to shit.

Cooper Cronk stated ( at time O’Brien signed) that he was a coach that would do the extras with players to improve their game, improve their skills, strengthen their weaknesses. Not sure if there’s any evidence of this yet.

Whoever is in charge of our attack needs the flick today. We don’t look like causing opposition defence any drama at any stage. No clue in this area too.

 

[Old dog]

Goal kickers are a rare breed in Knights, Clifford needs to be our backup not main kicker.
Reserve grade scored 3 tries yesterday, NIL converted, don’t know how hard they were wasn’t at game but looking at team, no recognised goalkicker.

 

[Jono078]

Goal kickers are a rare breed in Knights, Clifford needs to be our backup not main kicker.
Reserve grade scored 3 tries yesterday, NIL converted, don’t know how hard they were wasn’t at game but looking at team, no recognised goalkicker.

Musn't be able to fit time in for goal kicking practises with all our 6-day turnarounds.

Maybe that in itself is a reflection of the team; no one putting in the hard work and time to perfect their craft.

 

[macavity]

Almost like we need a pathways coach from a successful system who knows how to get talented juniors through to competent first graders.

the Brennan thing frustrates me. I have my own business, started 11 years ago with three employees and now have 77. Will turn over a fair bit more than the Knights this year.

I got there by employing good people and empowering them to do the job they were hired to do. Why can’t they do that?