Sack Adam O'Brien

[Jono078]

We’re in a really concerning cross path right now.

we either make a decision asap and bring someone in soon enough to come up with a plan for this off season and get the players to buy in and give them a tough off season or if the players are already off the AOB train how will they respond to him this off season if he even tries to push them hard (as he should)? They’ll be like this guy has no idea I’m not putting in and then we’ve wasted another year and another year wasting Ponga’s potential to do anything great for us.

Now Parr is in a really tough spot. He’s just walked in and if he fires AOB and the next guy he hires also fails, that puts his head on the chopping block and he might be gone before he can do anything positive either.

It’s a real mess right now and some big decisions need to be made soon.

I just can’t see how AOB stays on if we continue these rotten losing performances.

 

[macavity]

I’m off the poor APB boat.

On the he can’t be part of the solution so he has to go boat.

Just please for the love of god not Flanagan or Paul Green.

Steve McNamara gets my vote. Has done really well with Catalans which was a similar gig to us - building a club.

 

[SamSepi0l]

I'll immediately lose any hope I have in Parr if we end up with Green. I could live with Flanno as long as we don't inherit his son as a result.

 

[mozza91]

I'll immediately lose any hope I have in Parr if we end up with Green. I could live with Flanno as long as we don't inherit his son as a result.

What’s one more below average half? We’ve already got 4 of them.

 

[PhilGould]

Green's bruised reputation as a coach is pretty directly linked with Parr. Green took over the roster that Parr had been building in 2014, finished 5th (week 2 of the finals), premiers in 2015, 4th (GF qualifier) in 2016, had the fairy tale run to the GF in 2017 with no JT, and then fell off a cliff after that. Yes, he had a more talented squad than we do but he got them performing at a consistently high level.

A large part of the issue was Parr failing to keep evolving and revitalising the squad once they won the comp. Ponga, Kikau, Brandon Smith, Jahrome Hughes etc were all let go in favour of keeping the squad that won (as well as paying Jordan McLean big money to join which was questionable even at the time), and it kept them competitive until the year JT & co finished up. Green did himself no favours, notably he was overly stubborn in his team selections and had a notoriously short leash for the young players, but was left with a roster in no man's land.

Wouldn't be my first choice but I don't think he's quite as bad as some people remember him being towards the end.

 

[SamSepi0l]

Always funny how the goal posts shift to suit the arguments.

Right now we blame AOB for recruitment because he's the current whipping boy.

But in defence of Green.. Parr is responsible for recruitment and not Green.

Recruitment lays with whoever the current argument suits.

 

[PhilGould]

Where have I blamed AOB for recruitment? Head coaches should never be the main person responsible for recruitment, that's how you get panic signings from desperate coaches.

We have no idea who has been running recruitment, other than it's one of or a combination of Gardner, Buderus, Zammit, O'Brien.

 

[Burwood]

I think the safe bet is that Parr comes in and over the next month or so identifies an experienced assistant coach with a strong CV to work with AOB in 2023.

I’m also expecting a bit of increase in performance from the squad over the next few weeks- Parr won’t just be running his eye over the coaching staff. I think we’ll see a handful of contracted players moved on once the offseason rolls around. It might be bit of a wishlist, but I can see the likes of Mann, Fitz and one of our big money front rowers being shopped around.

 

[slotmachine]

Lol, Mann will be the last player AOB moves on.

 

[Yosh]

AOB is the worst because he is trying to escape any blame. How can he expect the players to be accountable when the coach isn't?

Also, by the sounds of his press conferences, sounds like he knows he is going to get fired now. Just coming up with excuses not for the team but for himself now.

Very excited to see how tomorrow goes.

 

[Haffa]

I’m also expecting a bit of increase in performance from the squad over the next few weeks

That makes one of us.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Right now we blame AOB for recruitment because he's the current whipping boy.

I dont

I do blame him for team culture, attacking strategies, defencive structure and player development though

 

[Jono078]

Very excited to see how tomorrow goes.

What’s tomorrow?

 

[Alex28]

Finally the beginning of the end!

It’s going to take more than Rothfield using him as clickbait to kill him off.

 

[Yosh]

What’s tomorrow?

Doest Parr start tomorrow?

 

[Jono078]

Doest Parr start tomorrow?

He started today I thought

 

[aqua_duck]

Where have I blamed AOB for recruitment? Head coaches should never be the main person responsible for recruitment, that's how you get panic signings from desperate coaches.

We have no idea who has been running recruitment, other than it's one of or a combination of Gardner, Buderus, Zammit, O'Brien.

coaches have always had a big say in and recruitment and retention and rightly so because they set the tone of how the team is to play. Every time has a salary cap committee which typically includes the coach, GM/CEO, chairman, recruitment manager and maybe the CFO who crunches the numbers and this is the safeguard against 'panic guys'. The reputation of the coach typically dictates how much say the have over recruitment.
We can blame Parr for the cowboys demise but is it really his fault for supposedly letting said players go if Green literally picked said players?

 

[Old dog]

Doubt anything on Yosh’s wish list will come true for a little while, Parr will want to settle in, find out how things work or don’t work, no rash decisions which likely means a few weeks so that will likely mean end of season at best.

 

[PhilGould]

coaches have always had a big say in and recruitment and retention and rightly so because they set the tone of how the team is to play. Every time has a salary cap committee which typically includes the coach, GM/CEO, chairman, recruitment manager and maybe the CFO who crunches the numbers and this is the safeguard against 'panic guys'. The reputation of the coach typically dictates how much say the have over recruitment.
We can blame Parr for the cowboys demise but is it really his fault for supposedly letting said players go if Green literally picked said players?

They have a say in who they may or may not want the club to pursue, sure, but they aren't the ones negotiating salaries and contract lengths with managers.

Bolded part sums it up. Bellamy, Robinson, Bennett would have a fair bit of say in recruitment, coaches without their level of job security making those decisions for a future there's a good chance they won't be a part of is a good way to get panic buys.

I don't think it's the case, but IF O’Brien is being allowed to run recruitment on top of failing to coach a team then that’s more of an indictment on the leadership above him for giving him that much power and responsibility. Bringing in Parr is a fair indicator they’re not satisfied with whoever is making those calls now.

 

[aqua_duck]

They have a say in who they may or may not want the club to pursue, sure, but they aren't the ones negotiating salaries and contract lengths with managers.

Bolded part sums it up. Bellamy, Robinson, Bennett would have a fair bit of say in recruitment, coaches without their level of job security making those decisions for a future there's a good chance they won't be a part of is a good way to get panic buys.

I don't think it's the case, but IF O’Brien is being allowed to run recruitment on top of failing to coach a team then that’s more of an indictment on the leadership above him for giving him that much power and responsibility. Bringing in Parr is a fair indicator they’re not satisfied with whoever is making those calls now.

there's a big difference between having a big say in recruitment/retention and controlling the salary cap. I don't think any coach negotiates and controls the cap, what they do though is set the tone of which players they want to keep and which players they want to go after. Even if you absolve him of blame in recruitment his decisions when it comes to retention and selections have been a failure not to mention his inability to get the best out of the players. I'll use the example of Jacob Kiraz, he was a guy who was recruited to the cowboys by Zammit and then followed Zammit to Newcastle, AOB didn't rate him and instead chose to play Kurt Mann for almost an entire season in the centres instead of giving Kiraz a go. Likewise Starford To'a who was a highly rated junior but was never given an opportunity to play in either of his preferred positions of centre or fullback and instead was pigeon holed as a winger, he's finally been given a proper go in the centres at the tigers and whilst he hasn't had to same impact as Kiraz he's looked better than Gagai, Best and Tuala