Sack Adam O'Brien

[Alex28]

Competent IS top 8 at a minimum. Failure is anything below that.

Top 4 should be the expectation. Premiership the aim.

12? no way. 12 is not mentioned at ANY successful club, much less thought of.

You aren’t getting any coach signing a contract saying they can be sacked for not finishing top 8.

 

[Dr Dr Gimedanews]

Think once you start talking about as low as 13th then they'd have been better off just not having a clause at all, purely from an optics perspective if nothing else.

It gives the impression that they think 12th is acceptable even if that isn't the intention.

terrible optics and a horrendously poorly thought through message from management.

There are things higher up in the club that need fixing before the coach…

Indeed , I'm not sure Jesus could lead us to the promised land with those monkeys at the wheel.

 

[perverse]

You aren’t getting any coach signing a contract saying they can be sacked for not finishing top 8.

Well then he surely would have been free to take up all the other opportunities that must have been banging his door down.

 

[Dr Dr Gimedanews]

You aren’t getting any coach signing a contract saying they can be sacked for not finishing top 8.

Oh I dont think you're right there. Plenty would have that as a trigger for a clause or 2.

A clause to be released - 100% that would be a KPI , there's only 17 positions available.

 

[Alex28]

Oh I dont think you're right there. Plenty would have that as a trigger for a clause or 2.

A clause to be released - 100% that would be a KPI , there's only 17 positions available.

A coach wouldn’t even get to the point of deciding to take such a contract. Their manager wouldn’t accept such a clause.

Would you sign a contract where you could get the sack for missing a KPI or a target? f**k no.

 

[Alex28]

Well then he surely would have been free to take up all the other opportunities that must have been banging his door down.

It’s like you are blaming him for signing the contract extension that was offered to him…

 

[perverse]

It’s like you are blaming him for signing the contract extension that was offered to him…

Now who's the one with comprehension issues?

 

[Alex28]

Now who's the one with comprehension issues?

You keep bringing up a News Limited hacks comment about no one else wanting to sign him when we extended him. I get what you are saying.

The point remains that people in the club made the decision to extend him. He’s not the one to blame for that decision. Your frustration is misguided. Get angry at the board and CEO.

Or… they realised that we haven’t had any other coaches get us into the finals 3 out of 4 seasons in a row since Joey was around and that he might know what he is doing, and was smart enough to trigger an early exit if that changes drastically.

 

[mozza91]

Currently 11th. Definitely reaching his KPI. Do we extend him again?

 

[Alex28]

If you read the Herald article, when Peter Parr was questioned he was “unaware of the specifics of the coaches deal”.

How does the football manager not know these things?

 

[Scootsie]

Hard to say where it’s all going wrong tbh, but the Knights have looked over-coached this year. Some of their defensive efforts have been abysmal with players hanging back looking at each other. A couple of the easiest tries in the NRL have been scored against the Knights this season. At times they lack both urgency and initiative.
Trouble is, the team always looks an exciting squad on paper but largely failing to deliver.

 

[Rod]

The defensive efforts aren't the issue so much. 7th best in the comp for points conceded.

It's the attack where the poor coaching and lack of initiative lies. 17th in the comp for points scored - simple as that really. Ridiculous for a team that scored the most tries in the comp last year.

 

[Dr Dr Gimedanews]

Would you sign a contract where you could get the sack for missing a KPI or a target? f**k no.

I signed plenty for nearly 15 years before founding my own company, and guess what , I never missed a sales target.

It's normal as far as I'm aware.

 

[Alex28]

I signed plenty for nearly 15 years before founding my own company, and guess what , I never missed a sales target.

It's normal as far as I'm aware.

I haven’t missed any either, but I can assure you my contract doesn’t say they can punt me because I miss it once.

Coaching is a bit different because they are a contractor to the club and not an employee, but even still a trigger to get rid of him if they miss the 8 wouldn’t be palatable to anyone. It’s too cut throat.

The right to review if they finish 13th or worse isn’t a KPI. It’s just a right to finish the contract early if the club feels it is the right thing to do. It can also work for the benefit of AOB as well - if they trigger it and the team goes on another tear, he can renegotiate another contract early…

 

[TooheysNew]

Haven't read the whole thread, but why are the goalposts set around "punting" for not meeting a KPI?

It is absolutely valid for the KPI of a non- top 8 finish to initiate a review. Not sure why we've moved that discussion to refer to firing him instead? Or why we are ok with 12th being that cutoff, rather than 8th?

 

[Knight Tales]

It is already tiring. You just wait for the next reason why it has yet to happen. It is why having a CEO who’s job it is to maximise club profits is a bad idea. You’d expect that of course. But he is surely thinking the cost of sacking AOB first in the face of the bleeding obvious. So it is a business decision with a lot of risk involved. Which is where the issue with his dealings with footy contracts is a food for thought.
It is also worth mentioning he signed Browny on a rolling contract which got reviews every year.
Why could he not do the same with AOB? Cos Moses was involved. Maybe we need to be like Uncle Nick and refuse to deal with him.

 

[Woody90]

You aren’t getting any coach signing a contract saying they can be sacked for not finishing top 8.

It doesn’t say that he will be sacked though, just that the position will come under review.

If we had an absolutely horrendous year with injuries and missed the 8 on that but he was still coaching them to play good football to the best of their ability he’s not going to be sacked.

Fact that the team has to finish below 12th for his position to even come under review is deplorable…and FTR I’m not blaming AOB for that but management. AOB and Moses have gotten him an extremely sweet deal here, well above what his coaching history so far warrants. No wonder Mosses is trying to get all his clients here.

 

[Dr Dr Gimedanews]

I haven’t missed any either, but I can assure you my contract doesn’t say they can punt me because I miss it once.

Coaching is a bit different because they are a contractor to the club and not an employee, but even still a trigger to get rid of him if they miss the 8 wouldn’t be palatable to anyone. It’s too cut throat.

The right to review if they finish 13th or worse isn’t a KPI. It’s just a right to finish the contract early if the club feels it is the right thing to do. It can also work for the benefit of AOB as well - if they trigger it and the team goes on another tear, he can renegotiate another contract early…

Now it is FOX however - I'd be surprised if it were otherwise. Top 8 or perish, but 13th ......this club

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/84b20ee69a9bb93fd3b8eb4acddd2197

Most clubs who include performance clauses in coaches contracts might include a top eight clause or bonus, a top four clause or bonus or a premiership clause or bonus.

 

[Burwood]

Meh. The club can pay him out at anytime if they want him gone. It’s not like he’s on a million a year and we’ve still got guys training at the uni out of shipping containers.

 

[perverse]

Now it is FOX however - I'd be surprised if it were otherwise. Top 8 or perish, but 13th ......this club

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/84b20ee69a9bb93fd3b8eb4acddd2197

Most clubs who include performance clauses in coaches contracts might include a top eight clause or bonus, a top four clause or bonus or a premiership clause or bonus.

But how can this be... I'm supposedly well informed this is just business as usual.