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Sack Griffin

getsmarty

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The Young rumours don’t make sense.He is in a side on the rise, his kids have settled into secondary schools, he has plenty of time and is still young and doesnt he have an offer to learn under Bennett?

Correct @denis preston: His name has been mentioned... wouldn't surprise me if he lands back here eventually... so many issues @ the club...needs a big broom put through it...
 

VodkaSaint

Juniors
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Th Dragons coaching stuff is F@#$ Joke, Hook is supposed to nature the Juniors, well he sacred them half to death, we cant even tackle, we continuously run out the sidelines, No structure, worst mistake rate, dumb penalty's, most missed tackles in the comp, worst sin binned team, up their with most suspensions, If it wasnt for Hunt we would have been bottom 2 and that is been Kind, worst coach in history , FFS even Mary was so much better, I dont want to see hook another bloody year, cut our frigging losses and move on
 
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Mojo

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Th Dragons coaching stuff is F@#$ Joke, Hook is supposed to nature the Juniors, well he sacred them half to death, we cant even tackle, we continuously run out the sidelines, No structure, worst mistake rate, dumb penalty's, most missed tackles in the comp, worst sin binned team, up their with most suspensions, If it wasnt for Hunt we would have been bottom 2 and that is been Kind, worst coach in history , FFS even Mary was so much better, I dont want to see hook another bloody year, cut our frigging losses and move on
So .... can we say you like Hook then?
 

getsmarty

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Th Dragons coaching stuff is F@#$ Joke, Hook is supposed to nature the Juniors, well he sacred them half to death, we cant even tackle, we continuously run out the sidelines, No structure, worst mistake rate, dumb penalty's, most missed tackles in the comp, worst sin binned team, up their with most suspensions, If it wasnt for Hunt we would have been bottom 2 and that is been Kind, worst coach in history , FFS even Mary was so much better, I dont want to see hook another bloody year, cut our frigging losses and move on

Agree with most of what you have said except we lost a heap of juniors under the former coach...because he wouldn't give them a run...and that was the most frustrating 8 years...Hook has had 2...hopefully it will end soon.
 

BLM01

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I would say it’s his reputation having also been head coach of the Titans U/20’s and being selected to coach QLD Origin representative U/20’s team.
Perhaps he comes highly recommended and has many years experience coaching youth.
It’s certainly a turn around from the club employing ex players with minimal experience outside the sheltered workshop.
But But But.. Mary was selected as his NSW rep opposite U 19's
That does not say anything... or does it.
He must be crap?
Sorry you are not convincing me with all those words from his history
 

BLM01

First Grade
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Th Dragons coaching stuff is F@#$ Joke, Hook is supposed to nature the Juniors, well he sacred them half to death, we cant even tackle, we continuously run out the sidelines, No structure, worst mistake rate, dumb penalty's, most missed tackles in the comp, worst sin binned team, up their with most suspensions, If it wasnt for Hunt we would have been bottom 2 and that is been Kind, worst coach in history , FFS even Mary was so much better, I dont want to see hook another bloody year, cut our frigging losses and move on
Nah. PLeeaasse!. He is not way worse than Mc85
 

possm

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Mjab, I give you full marks for being able to point out all of the deficiencies and predictions you see with the Dragons as I have the same thoughts.

Hook has to go in my opinion without a doubt and the sooner the better, however, much of our problem is with the players and that more than half of the squad are not worthy of first grade selection, ever again.

Our player strength, or lack of it, can be attributed to Hook's decision to get them - cheap and nasty and over the hill. All at discount prices so you get what you pay for and get what you deserve when doing this. It is like when you go out to buy something and there are a few to choose from, and you buy the cheapest and when you go home you use it and in a few days it breaks down and you check on the thing that it is made overseas.

There are too many bad apples, oranges, pears whatever in our squad of players and overall it impacts on the good ones and the young ones. The good ones and juniors eventually turning out to become close to the rotten ones. Get rid of the rotten ones and see the good ones flourish.

Players like Sloan (who by the way in my opinion prevented us getting to golden point last night when he dropped the bomb for the converted try scored by Graham - 6 points it cost us, so bad), Sullivan, Amone have potential but I think need lots more time to develop and become stronger and injury free (Sullivan - too many injuries for my liking).

We should go all out for Bevan French, but I think Newcastle have him in their sights. We really need to clear the decks of poor coaches, poor players, poor everything.
I'm interested to know who you would cut from our squad and who you would recruit to make things better.
 

possm

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Sloan seems to be getting criticized for stuff Dufty did but the difference is Duft played a heap of games before givin the flick. This kid has had a handful only and the 1st 4 or so games he scored a try in each one. Off season came and he went backwards. Not sure what happened in the off season but Hook went off him big time and looks like he just threw him on to appease the fans and as soon as he made a blunder was quick to drop him.

Billy Burns can't tackle yet gets picked each week and has made many more errors that led to tries than poor Sloan.

Sounds like a real mess now reading that article. Surely Griffins days are numbered. Only thing I think that will save him is the $$ Saints will have to pay him. Saints seem to have become tight ar$es by the sound of things. Love taking fans money but not returning them with good intentions to appease them in return and continue to dish out rubbish.
In my opinion, Sloan is Dufty mark II. The question is, do we make the same mistakes with Sloan or do we handle it better?

Sloan NEEDS to improve his skills in defense and in taking the high ball. He also needs to bulk up so that his body can take the punishment first-grade delivers. So I say, get on with it or leave.
 

possm

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This is supposedly true
I suppose the real truth lies closer to the asperations of Craig Young. He wants Dean to replace a weak Griffin.

I say enough is enough. Appoint Flannigan now on a two-year deal with an option in the club's favor for a further two years. If Flanno fails, then pick the best available at the time.
 

18to87

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In my opinion, Sloan is Dufty mark II. The question is, do we make the same mistakes with Sloan or do we handle it better?

Sloan NEEDS to improve his skills in defense and in taking the high ball. He also needs to bulk up so that his body can take the punishment first-grade delivers. So I say, get on with it or leave.
Saw him up close yesterday, and while he looks athletic, he certainly could use a big offseason in the weight room.
 

Lovemedragons

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Another reason our cap is a mess is because there's nothing attractive about our club to any young players like there used to be, hence why we end up paying overs on so many players and have to turn to old impending retirees as they have nowhere else to go.
Both these issues are real but both could be fixed within a couple of years if we had astute management actually recognising them and actively addressing them with a plan.
 

Coffs dragon

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Story today in SMH by Michael Chammas re Hook, that he has the full support of Chairman Craig Young. So he’s as good as gone!

Quote :
An influential St George Illawarra figure reached out to Cameron Ciraldo’s representatives last month to gauge the Penrith assistant coach’s appetite in taking over from Anthony Griffin at the Dragons.
Sources with knowledge of discussions confirmed the conversation had taken place, but the Dragons were unaware at the time just how advanced Phil Gould’s plan to lure Ciraldo to Belmore was.
For the second time in three years, the answer from Ciraldo was ‘thanks, but no thanks’.
At least it explains chairman Craig Young’s carefully-worded statement to News Corp last month following the Herald’s revelations that things had begun to turn sour under Griffin’s watch.
“He has my full support,” Young said at the time.
And perhaps Griffin does, but not everyone at the Dragons is convinced. This isn’t another story about Ciraldo. It’s not even about Griffin, entirely.
It’s about a club and the all too familiar predicament it finds itself in, hoping things will turn when all signs point to the opposite outcome.
Complicating matters is a realisation that their best player, Ben Hunt, is baulking at a new deal and would like his future tied to that of Griffin, who coached him as a junior back at the Broncos.
Then there is the future of young gun Jayden Sullivan, who has attracted the interest of rival clubs under the assumption he will ask for a release if Hunt extends to play on as halfback.
When the club parted ways with Paul McGregor at the end of 2020, they were backed into a corner.
The coaches they wanted to take over as his successor (Craig Fitzgibbon and Ciraldo) either weren’t willing to take the plunge or would be seen as another example of jobs for the boys (Dean Young).
Ultimately, Griffin was the best option. The offer the Dragons put forward, a two-year deal plus an option in the club’s favour, reflected their confidence, or lack thereof, in the decision they settled with.
The three-year contract that almost every new coach gets – based on a long-standing belief within the game that it takes that many seasons to rebuild a club – wasn’t on the table.
But the Dragons, nonetheless, believed that Griffin met the three criteria the board was looking for in a new coach.
Someone who was defence-minded;
Someone from a culture of success;
Someone renowned as a strict disciplinarian.
In his first two seasons in charge, Griffin has fallen short in all three categories.
The defence of the Dragons has been poor this year. Even in knocking off the lowly ranked Titans over the weekend, the Red V conceded 26 points. It was the Titans’ third-highest score of the year.
When McGregor left in 2020, the Dragons leaked an average 22.6 points per game. It’s why a high priority was put on a coach who could help plug the holes.
Unfortunately for the Dragons the average points conceded per game has risen to 24.3 in 2022 – and that in itself is an improvement on the 25.7 points the previous year.
The second criteria was a coach from a culture of success. Griffin’s record – a 55.5 per cent win record over more than 170 games at Penrith and Brisbane – was impressive.
But what is often lost when dissecting the success of Griffin-coached teams is how they perform after he is gone. The Broncos made a grand final in 2015, 12 months after he was moved on for Wayne Bennett. That is not to say the Broncos were better off without Griffin, but they were clearly a strong club after he left.
Once the dust had settled on the sex tape saga that ripped the Panthers apart, they too made a grand final within two years of Griffin's exit.
Griffin, a proud product of Rockhampton, has turned to fellow Queenslanders and his former players to help him steer the ship.
The club’s recruits reflected that. Andrew McCullough, Francis Molo, Josh McGuire, Moses Mbye, Jaydn Su’A, Tautau Moga, Michael Molo, Trent Merrin, Israel Folau ... all Queenslanders or players that had played under him.
Griffin even fought strongly, against the wishes of the club, to keep Corey Norman for another season before eventually letting him go to the Super League at the end of last year. His replacement, Talatau Amone, has proven a worth successor.
Griffin has a record of 18 wins from 46 games in charge of the Dragons – a 39 per cent win ratio. McGregor managed a 46.6 per cent win rate in his seven-year tenure as head coach.
The knock on McGregor was that perhaps he was too close to the players, and that his bond with the players often clouded his judgement and ability to impose a set of standards required to be successful at the elite level.
Griffin came in with a reputation as a no-nonsense coach – the ‘strict disciplinarian’ the Dragons were after.
That arguably went out the window the night a dozen or so players ignored his directive and gathered at Paul Vaughan’s house for a barbecue during COVID-19 lockdowns last year.
The only time the team has ignored his directives since is when they have thrown caution to the wind despite a heavy focus on a simple attacking game plan. While moments have been few and far between, it's the best the Dragons have looked all season.
 

denis preston

First Grade
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Story today in SMH by Michael Chammas re Hook, that he has the full support of Chairman Craig Young. So he’s as good as gone!

Quote :
An influential St George Illawarra figure reached out to Cameron Ciraldo’s representatives last month to gauge the Penrith assistant coach’s appetite in taking over from Anthony Griffin at the Dragons.
Sources with knowledge of discussions confirmed the conversation had taken place, but the Dragons were unaware at the time just how advanced Phil Gould’s plan to lure Ciraldo to Belmore was.
For the second time in three years, the answer from Ciraldo was ‘thanks, but no thanks’.
At least it explains chairman Craig Young’s carefully-worded statement to News Corp last month following the Herald’s revelations that things had begun to turn sour under Griffin’s watch.
“He has my full support,” Young said at the time.
And perhaps Griffin does, but not everyone at the Dragons is convinced. This isn’t another story about Ciraldo. It’s not even about Griffin, entirely.
It’s about a club and the all too familiar predicament it finds itself in, hoping things will turn when all signs point to the opposite outcome.
Complicating matters is a realisation that their best player, Ben Hunt, is baulking at a new deal and would like his future tied to that of Griffin, who coached him as a junior back at the Broncos.
Then there is the future of young gun Jayden Sullivan, who has attracted the interest of rival clubs under the assumption he will ask for a release if Hunt extends to play on as halfback.
When the club parted ways with Paul McGregor at the end of 2020, they were backed into a corner.
The coaches they wanted to take over as his successor (Craig Fitzgibbon and Ciraldo) either weren’t willing to take the plunge or would be seen as another example of jobs for the boys (Dean Young).
Ultimately, Griffin was the best option. The offer the Dragons put forward, a two-year deal plus an option in the club’s favour, reflected their confidence, or lack thereof, in the decision they settled with.
The three-year contract that almost every new coach gets – based on a long-standing belief within the game that it takes that many seasons to rebuild a club – wasn’t on the table.
But the Dragons, nonetheless, believed that Griffin met the three criteria the board was looking for in a new coach.
Someone who was defence-minded;
Someone from a culture of success;
Someone renowned as a strict disciplinarian.
In his first two seasons in charge, Griffin has fallen short in all three categories.
The defence of the Dragons has been poor this year. Even in knocking off the lowly ranked Titans over the weekend, the Red V conceded 26 points. It was the Titans’ third-highest score of the year.
When McGregor left in 2020, the Dragons leaked an average 22.6 points per game. It’s why a high priority was put on a coach who could help plug the holes.
Unfortunately for the Dragons the average points conceded per game has risen to 24.3 in 2022 – and that in itself is an improvement on the 25.7 points the previous year.
The second criteria was a coach from a culture of success. Griffin’s record – a 55.5 per cent win record over more than 170 games at Penrith and Brisbane – was impressive.
But what is often lost when dissecting the success of Griffin-coached teams is how they perform after he is gone. The Broncos made a grand final in 2015, 12 months after he was moved on for Wayne Bennett. That is not to say the Broncos were better off without Griffin, but they were clearly a strong club after he left.
Once the dust had settled on the sex tape saga that ripped the Panthers apart, they too made a grand final within two years of Griffin's exit.
Griffin, a proud product of Rockhampton, has turned to fellow Queenslanders and his former players to help him steer the ship.
The club’s recruits reflected that. Andrew McCullough, Francis Molo, Josh McGuire, Moses Mbye, Jaydn Su’A, Tautau Moga, Michael Molo, Trent Merrin, Israel Folau ... all Queenslanders or players that had played under him.
Griffin even fought strongly, against the wishes of the club, to keep Corey Norman for another season before eventually letting him go to the Super League at the end of last year. His replacement, Talatau Amone, has proven a worth successor.
Griffin has a record of 18 wins from 46 games in charge of the Dragons – a 39 per cent win ratio. McGregor managed a 46.6 per cent win rate in his seven-year tenure as head coach.
The knock on McGregor was that perhaps he was too close to the players, and that his bond with the players often clouded his judgement and ability to impose a set of standards required to be successful at the elite level.
Griffin came in with a reputation as a no-nonsense coach – the ‘strict disciplinarian’ the Dragons were after.
That arguably went out the window the night a dozen or so players ignored his directive and gathered at Paul Vaughan’s house for a barbecue during COVID-19 lockdowns last year.
The only time the team has ignored his directives since is when they have thrown caution to the wind despite a heavy focus on a simple attacking game plan. While moments have been few and far between, it's the best the Dragons have looked all season.
He is a good student Chammas. He has obviously either studied this forum very carefully or as we suspect Hooks failings are obvious , and there to see for everybody. I'd love to know what the stink is about Flanagan ?
 

True_Believer

Juniors
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He is a good student Chammas. He has obviously either studied this forum very carefully or as we suspect Hooks failings are obvious , and there to see for everybody. I'd love to know what the stink is about Flanagan ?
Yeah it's a bullshit story. The giveaway is the fact he's listed 3 requirements for a coach - all of which Fitzgibbon and Ciraldo, as ACs, would not be able to prove. They have worked in a couple of good environments, but there's nothing to convince anyone of their contribution to that.
 

Coffs dragon

Bench
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He is a good student Chammas. He has obviously either studied this forum very carefully or as we suspect Hooks failings are obvious , and there to see for everybody. I'd love to know what the stink is about Flanagan ?
Yeah Denis there must be more to the Flanno story & ban than what us fans know or read. It seems no club has even seriously considered him for a head coaching role as yet.

Maybe he’s lurking in the Dragons corridors just waiting patiently for Hook to be pushed.
 

dannyt

Coach
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Yeah it's a bullshit story. The giveaway is the fact he's listed 3 requirements for a coach - all of which Fitzgibbon and Ciraldo, as ACs, would not be able to prove. They have worked in a couple of good environments, but there's nothing to convince anyone of their contribution to that.
Unless MC is referring to the three criteria after they couldn't get Fitzgibbon or Ciraldo, and were looking for an experienced coach. I've heard those three criteria mentioned at the time he was signed.
 

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