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Slippery Morris

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THis Article says it all.........

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/09/...eir-current-woes-until-they-have-a-new-coach/

The Dragons won't fix their woes until they have a new coach
In Round 10, 2014, St George Illawarra lost 36-0 to Parramatta, a result which saw them fall from competition leaders to 13th on the table in the space of six weeks. It was the point of no return for Steve Price.

Price took over the Dragons in the post-Wayne Bennett era, but he couldn’t get the side to fire like the super coach had.

From 2012 to 2014, he was in charge 58 times for 22 wins – a success rate of just 37.9 per cent.

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The club didn’t accept prolonged failure then. He was replaced by former player Paul McGregor.

Fast forward to this April, when the Dragons had opened their season with back-to-back losses before winning their next three straight games. That was enough for officials to decide that McGregor deserved a new contract.

Up until that point, ‘Mary’ had won 60 of 118 games – just over half. He’d snuck his side into the top eight in 2015, finished 11th in 2016, ninth in 2017, before rising to seventh last year.

After his new deal, St George Illawarra have won just four of their 18 games – a paltry 22.22 per cent success rate.

Now there’s talk he could lose his job at the end of the year. Madness.

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(AAP Image/Michael Chambers)


There have been mumblings all year that the Jack de Belin saga was largely to blame for their season. But given the fact they won four of their opening six games, this is improbable.

In 2019, the Red V have had their lowest possession percentage of all their full seasons under McGregor. In 2015 and 2017 it was over 51 per cent, 2016 was at 49.3 per cent, 2018 was 48.8 per cent, and 2019 is slightly lower at 48.7.

This year is their second-worst for completions over that time, at 76.3 per cent, with only 2016’s 75.4 per cent worse.

They’ve also made fewer line breaks in 2019 than their previous two seasons – 5.1 per game in 2017 and 3.4 in 2018, compared to 3.2 this year.

But most glaring is the field of post-contact metres. In 2015, 2016 and 2017 the Dragons averaged more per game than the competition average. But in 2018, that number dipped below the average. And while the number of post-contact metres has dropped competition-wide in 2019, McGregor’s team have fallen even further.

Tackle breaks also peaked in 2017, at 40.4 per game. In 2018 they were down to 35.8 and have plummeted to 28 in 2019.

Dummy-half running is the lowest it’s ever been under McGregor. In 2016 they made 14.6 runs from dummy half per game but that number fell to 12.5 and 12.3 in 2017 and 2018 respectively. In 2019, it’s down to just 10.

Offloads, which had been a team trait, have dropped by two per game in 2018 and almost another two again this year. Try assists have also fallen over the last two seasons, as have line-break assists.


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There have been increases – but not in good areas. Missed tackles have gone up, as have handling errors. Ineffective tackles and penalties conceded have ever so slightly improved from 2018, but are still notably worse than in 2017.

Given de Belin’s absence is being cited as a major factor for the poor year, it’s only fair to look at his stats.

In 2018, he had four line breaks, 40 tackle breaks, 29 offloads, no try assists, 26 missed tackles, 12 errors, and conceded 16 penalties.

If added to their 2019 stats, his figures do not improve the team’s numbers enough to stop the downward trend.

Now obviously this is a simplistic view, however if a pack brimming with international stars like James Graham, Paul Vaughan, Tyson Frizell, and Korbin and Tariq Sims cannot cover for de Belin’s loss – let alone maintain solid numbers for three years – then there’s a much bigger issue.

Despite the magnificent squad all at the peak of their careers, this team is going backwards. They started heading in that direction before the last off-season.

The problem is a one-dimensional coach who is incapable of adapting and implementing changes to the point his side has become pedestrian. They are now the worst thing a team can be in attack: predictable. Much like the excuses he constantly trots out.

McGregor is the sixth coach in the joint-venture’s history and has a success rate of 47.4 per cent, which is better than Steve Price (37.9%) and Andrew Farrar (43.3%), but well behind Bennett (65%), David Waite (56.3%) and Nathan Brown (53%).

The Round 24 loss to the Tigers saw Paul McGregor become the St George Illawarra Dragons’ losingest coach in 21 years of existence.

He, and those responsible for extending his tenure as coach, need to be replaced immediately if the club is to turn their fortunes around.
 

Carlton

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THis Article says it all.........

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/09/...eir-current-woes-until-they-have-a-new-coach/

The Dragons won't fix their woes until they have a new coach
In Round 10, 2014, St George Illawarra lost 36-0 to Parramatta, a result which saw them fall from competition leaders to 13th on the table in the space of six weeks. It was the point of no return for Steve Price.

Price took over the Dragons in the post-Wayne Bennett era, but he couldn’t get the side to fire like the super coach had.

From 2012 to 2014, he was in charge 58 times for 22 wins – a success rate of just 37.9 per cent.

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The club didn’t accept prolonged failure then. He was replaced by former player Paul McGregor.

Fast forward to this April, when the Dragons had opened their season with back-to-back losses before winning their next three straight games. That was enough for officials to decide that McGregor deserved a new contract.

Up until that point, ‘Mary’ had won 60 of 118 games – just over half. He’d snuck his side into the top eight in 2015, finished 11th in 2016, ninth in 2017, before rising to seventh last year.

After his new deal, St George Illawarra have won just four of their 18 games – a paltry 22.22 per cent success rate.

Now there’s talk he could lose his job at the end of the year. Madness.

Dragons-755x515.jpg

(AAP Image/Michael Chambers)


There have been mumblings all year that the Jack de Belin saga was largely to blame for their season. But given the fact they won four of their opening six games, this is improbable.

In 2019, the Red V have had their lowest possession percentage of all their full seasons under McGregor. In 2015 and 2017 it was over 51 per cent, 2016 was at 49.3 per cent, 2018 was 48.8 per cent, and 2019 is slightly lower at 48.7.

This year is their second-worst for completions over that time, at 76.3 per cent, with only 2016’s 75.4 per cent worse.

They’ve also made fewer line breaks in 2019 than their previous two seasons – 5.1 per game in 2017 and 3.4 in 2018, compared to 3.2 this year.

But most glaring is the field of post-contact metres. In 2015, 2016 and 2017 the Dragons averaged more per game than the competition average. But in 2018, that number dipped below the average. And while the number of post-contact metres has dropped competition-wide in 2019, McGregor’s team have fallen even further.

Tackle breaks also peaked in 2017, at 40.4 per game. In 2018 they were down to 35.8 and have plummeted to 28 in 2019.

Dummy-half running is the lowest it’s ever been under McGregor. In 2016 they made 14.6 runs from dummy half per game but that number fell to 12.5 and 12.3 in 2017 and 2018 respectively. In 2019, it’s down to just 10.

Offloads, which had been a team trait, have dropped by two per game in 2018 and almost another two again this year. Try assists have also fallen over the last two seasons, as have line-break assists.


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Dragons-sad-755x515.jpg

(Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

There have been increases – but not in good areas. Missed tackles have gone up, as have handling errors. Ineffective tackles and penalties conceded have ever so slightly improved from 2018, but are still notably worse than in 2017.

Given de Belin’s absence is being cited as a major factor for the poor year, it’s only fair to look at his stats.

In 2018, he had four line breaks, 40 tackle breaks, 29 offloads, no try assists, 26 missed tackles, 12 errors, and conceded 16 penalties.

If added to their 2019 stats, his figures do not improve the team’s numbers enough to stop the downward trend.

Now obviously this is a simplistic view, however if a pack brimming with international stars like James Graham, Paul Vaughan, Tyson Frizell, and Korbin and Tariq Sims cannot cover for de Belin’s loss – let alone maintain solid numbers for three years – then there’s a much bigger issue.

Despite the magnificent squad all at the peak of their careers, this team is going backwards. They started heading in that direction before the last off-season.

The problem is a one-dimensional coach who is incapable of adapting and implementing changes to the point his side has become pedestrian. They are now the worst thing a team can be in attack: predictable. Much like the excuses he constantly trots out.

McGregor is the sixth coach in the joint-venture’s history and has a success rate of 47.4 per cent, which is better than Steve Price (37.9%) and Andrew Farrar (43.3%), but well behind Bennett (65%), David Waite (56.3%) and Nathan Brown (53%).

The Round 24 loss to the Tigers saw Paul McGregor become the St George Illawarra Dragons’ losingest coach in 21 years of existence.

He, and those responsible for extending his tenure as coach, need to be replaced immediately if the club is to turn their fortunes around.

Congrats to whoever wrote this. One of, if not the best, summaries of McGregors achievements with the Dragons.

The decline in stats across the board is not due to any factor other than the same head coach has been there through the whole period. Assistants and support staff come and go and the same steady decline still takes place.

I hope the players realise that towing the club line will not help their careers and that their value to other clubs is being devalued. Speak up before your careers are totally ruined.

Send it to Gould and Buzz. It may influence Gould to do a proper review or else look stupid and Buzz would have a lot of ammo without any work.
 

Slippery Morris

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Looking at those stats mentioned it is amazing how he has lasted this long and there is some indication he won't be sacked. And now they have a guy in Gould who sacked his previous coach when he was equal 4th backing him. If he stays it confirms the club is run by a group of inept administrators and it is jobs for the boys. .
 
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James Graham in the media today whinging on about the judiciary.

A few weeks ago he was singing the praises of Mary to anyone who will listen.

James, you are one of the games idols and all of that, but you are obviously without any idea how badly your fans are hurting.

As soon as you stood up for Mary, all of your credibility was shot. People just tuned out.

Plus James, you are one of the last players on earth to comment on the judiciary as you have visited it countless times mostly for utter stupidity, when you are otherwise an elite player.

So James, just focus on your own game mate and save yourself from further embarrassment.

Same goes for any other player talking Mary up.
 

Coffs dragon

Bench
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THis Article says it all.........

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/09/...eir-current-woes-until-they-have-a-new-coach/

The Dragons won't fix their woes until they have a new coach
In Round 10, 2014, St George Illawarra lost 36-0 to Parramatta, a result which saw them fall from competition leaders to 13th on the table in the space of six weeks. It was the point of no return for Steve Price.

Price took over the Dragons in the post-Wayne Bennett era, but he couldn’t get the side to fire like the super coach had.

From 2012 to 2014, he was in charge 58 times for 22 wins – a success rate of just 37.9 per cent.

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The club didn’t accept prolonged failure then. He was replaced by former player Paul McGregor.

Fast forward to this April, when the Dragons had opened their season with back-to-back losses before winning their next three straight games. That was enough for officials to decide that McGregor deserved a new contract.

Up until that point, ‘Mary’ had won 60 of 118 games – just over half. He’d snuck his side into the top eight in 2015, finished 11th in 2016, ninth in 2017, before rising to seventh last year.

After his new deal, St George Illawarra have won just four of their 18 games – a paltry 22.22 per cent success rate.

Now there’s talk he could lose his job at the end of the year. Madness.

Dragons-755x515.jpg

(AAP Image/Michael Chambers)


There have been mumblings all year that the Jack de Belin saga was largely to blame for their season. But given the fact they won four of their opening six games, this is improbable.

In 2019, the Red V have had their lowest possession percentage of all their full seasons under McGregor. In 2015 and 2017 it was over 51 per cent, 2016 was at 49.3 per cent, 2018 was 48.8 per cent, and 2019 is slightly lower at 48.7.

This year is their second-worst for completions over that time, at 76.3 per cent, with only 2016’s 75.4 per cent worse.

They’ve also made fewer line breaks in 2019 than their previous two seasons – 5.1 per game in 2017 and 3.4 in 2018, compared to 3.2 this year.

But most glaring is the field of post-contact metres. In 2015, 2016 and 2017 the Dragons averaged more per game than the competition average. But in 2018, that number dipped below the average. And while the number of post-contact metres has dropped competition-wide in 2019, McGregor’s team have fallen even further.

Tackle breaks also peaked in 2017, at 40.4 per game. In 2018 they were down to 35.8 and have plummeted to 28 in 2019.

Dummy-half running is the lowest it’s ever been under McGregor. In 2016 they made 14.6 runs from dummy half per game but that number fell to 12.5 and 12.3 in 2017 and 2018 respectively. In 2019, it’s down to just 10.

Offloads, which had been a team trait, have dropped by two per game in 2018 and almost another two again this year. Try assists have also fallen over the last two seasons, as have line-break assists.


Advertisement

Advertisement
Dragons-sad-755x515.jpg

(Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

There have been increases – but not in good areas. Missed tackles have gone up, as have handling errors. Ineffective tackles and penalties conceded have ever so slightly improved from 2018, but are still notably worse than in 2017.

Given de Belin’s absence is being cited as a major factor for the poor year, it’s only fair to look at his stats.

In 2018, he had four line breaks, 40 tackle breaks, 29 offloads, no try assists, 26 missed tackles, 12 errors, and conceded 16 penalties.

If added to their 2019 stats, his figures do not improve the team’s numbers enough to stop the downward trend.

Now obviously this is a simplistic view, however if a pack brimming with international stars like James Graham, Paul Vaughan, Tyson Frizell, and Korbin and Tariq Sims cannot cover for de Belin’s loss – let alone maintain solid numbers for three years – then there’s a much bigger issue.

Despite the magnificent squad all at the peak of their careers, this team is going backwards. They started heading in that direction before the last off-season.

The problem is a one-dimensional coach who is incapable of adapting and implementing changes to the point his side has become pedestrian. They are now the worst thing a team can be in attack: predictable. Much like the excuses he constantly trots out.

McGregor is the sixth coach in the joint-venture’s history and has a success rate of 47.4 per cent, which is better than Steve Price (37.9%) and Andrew Farrar (43.3%), but well behind Bennett (65%), David Waite (56.3%) and Nathan Brown (53%).

The Round 24 loss to the Tigers saw Paul McGregor become the St George Illawarra Dragons’ losingest coach in 21 years of existence.

He, and those responsible for extending his tenure as coach, need to be replaced immediately if the club is to turn their fortunes around.
If this could only be forwarded to Gus Gould....the review could take pace within 5 minutes of reading and a phone call to CEO Johnston with the only viable solution.
Brilliant article and so on the money!
 

Nanadragon

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James Graham in the media today whinging on about the judiciary.

A few weeks ago he was singing the praises of Mary to anyone who will listen.

James, you are one of the games idols and all of that, but you are obviously without any idea how badly your fans are hurting.

As soon as you stood up for Mary, all of your credibility was shot. People just tuned out.

Plus James, you are one of the last players on earth to comment on the judiciary as you have visited it countless times mostly for utter stupidity, when you are otherwise an elite player.

So James, just focus on your own game mate and save yourself from further embarrassment.

Same goes for any other player talking Mary up.
What player would criticise his coach on national tv?
What he had to say re the judiciary was that they could introduce set penalties for high tackles etc. or any other misdemeanour and dont give the player the right to argue about it. He said, when asked by Kent, that he could live with that system.
 
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What player would criticise his coach on national tv?
What he had to say re the judiciary was that they could introduce set penalties for high tackles etc. or any other misdemeanour and dont give the player the right to argue about it. He said, when asked by Kent, that he could live with that system.

What player would stick his neck out and make the decision to praise his incompetent and hopeless coach?

He would have been better off shutting up because people probably think less of him now. I know I do.

As for the judiciary thing, In the court system, the views of criminals on the legal process is not given too much weight. Some people might argue that whatever he suggests, the game would be better served by doing the opposite.

But ultimately, his comments present as yet another silly distraction from the crisis enveloping the club as the wonderful article has presented.

Lots of people make the point that the players are declining but the article brought the stats in to support the proposition far more eloquently.

Gus will read it for sure.
 

BLM01

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Glad you liked the article guys. I'm sure there's plenty I missed, But I wanted to really get the attention away from blaming De Belin, because for me that was just giving the problem (McGregor) yet another excuse.
All good points, and there is more as supporters infer to on these forums as we naturally analyse our club harder than others and just wish the main stream media or more importantly someone or stats person at our club can see these and run with it...but for some reason choose not to.
So the elephant question in the room. Why?
 
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BLM01

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Well there's the Crawley matter which helps paper over cracks.
Do you mean the one that was hired supposedly to be the fly on the wall reporting to the board about what actually is going on from a football operations point of view (who is reportedly to be told he is no longer required) or the ones in the media.
Going forward no Crawleys left attached to the club to smother anything.
 

madunit

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Do you mean the one that was hired supposedly to be the fly on the wall reporting to the board about what actually is going on from a football operations point of view (who is reportedly to be told he is no longer required) or the ones in the media.
Going forward no Crawleys left attached to the club to smother anything.
All Crawley's.

They're shit at whatever it is they're trying (to be kind, as there appears to be little effort shown) to do.
 

2010

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Get a new coach in and move McIdiot to recruitment and give Millward the flick, make McIdiot responsible to the new coach and clean out the rest of the coaching staff. I would also take a very very hard look at our high performance staff, they bring to mind how JDB played nearly the whole season and last year Sims was injured from early in the season.
Two of our better players being treated like that. They should go also
 

Belta

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Get a new coach in and move McIdiot to recruitment and give Millward the flick, make McIdiot responsible to the new coach and clean out the rest of the coaching staff. I would also take a very very hard look at our high performance staff, they bring to mind how JDB played nearly the whole season and last year Sims was injured from early in the season.
Two of our better players being treated like that. They should go also

I don’t claim any to have any knowledge on whether or not the hpu are any good.

What I strongly believe is that we have an arrogant self indulgent coach would unlikely consult the advice of the hpu as to whether a player needs to be rested. What I strongly believe is the coach is always trying to dig himself out of the hole he has created and the player welfare is not at the forefront of his decision making. I’ve formed this after he has played injured players on countless occasions and when it’s backfired his standard response when questioned is something like; “I asked the player and he told me he wanted to play”.

The top coaches display leadership and rest players for the overall betterment of the player and the team and don’t make the players feel guilty to try and rescue his pitiful ass.
 

18to87

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I don’t claim any to have any knowledge on whether or not the hpu are any good.

What I strongly believe is that we have an arrogant self indulgent coach would unlikely consult the advice of the hpu as to whether a player needs to be rested. What I strongly believe is the coach is always trying to dig himself out of the hole he has created and the player welfare is not at the forefront of his decision making. I’ve formed this after he has played injured players on countless occasions and when it’s backfired his standard response when questioned is something like; “I asked the player and he told me he wanted to play”.

The top coaches display leadership and rest players for the overall betterment of the player and the team and don’t make the players feel guilty to try and rescue his pitiful ass.
Well said.
Playing through some pain is a part of contact sport - but, it seems clear that McGregor and the HPU have been taking this too far to the detriment of the teams on-field performance and detriment of the player's performance level over the course of the season. Something needs to change and of course, the best thing to do would be to bring in a new coach and send the HPU back to the AFL.
 

SAP58

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Get a new coach in and move McIdiot to recruitment and give Millward the flick, make McIdiot responsible to the new coach and clean out the rest of the coaching staff. I would also take a very very hard look at our high performance staff, they bring to mind how JDB played nearly the whole season and last year Sims was injured from early in the season.
Two of our better players being treated like that. They should go also
I agree totally as I have stated before if the Board wont okay him out move him aside or take his authority away from him and his ego will do the rest but if not enjoy counting paper clips for the next two years McIdiot !
 

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