Salary Cap

[Jake the snake]

Have no real idea, but I always thought the club could help source them but they couldn't guarantee them.

I think the surprising thing from that alleged board meeting mins is that it uses the words "secure"

 

[Bigfella]

During the Kieran Foran saga there was a story which reproduced pet of the contract price. It referred to the club agreeing to use its best endeavours to introduce tpa's, at a specified portion of the contract amount.

It's all a nonsense of course. If it is a genuine third party deal it doesn't need to go into a contract between us and Foran. It's a matter for those two parties.

But in practice how else does Foran obtain any certainty? The third party agreement can't exist in the absence of the other contract (at least most of the time).

All third party agreements are going to reflect the sort of problems which are demonstrated in the minutes that have been published.

On the one hands clubs have to pretend the third party is arms length. On the other hand the club needs to keep the third party sweet. They also need to make sure that the player gets paid otherwise they will lose him.

They aren't truly independent or third party in any real sense.

I don't see how any club wouldn't be grappling with exactly the same issues with these arrangements - other than the ultra professional ones who know they have arms length benefactors stitching up their interests (like the Broncos through the thoroughbreds).

 

[Joshuatheeel]

While claiming his move was not motivated by money, Gasnier revealed an exit clause in his contract was only activated because he was owed third-party sponsorship money promised to him when he signed a five-year deal in 2006.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...t-forced-him-out/story-e6frg7mo-1111116919049

So was this investigated ? Never heard anything about it. Gasiner promised TPA money when signing an NRL contract

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Doust, in announcing a deal yesterday, admitted third-party sponsorship arrangements were vital to the contract being struck.

"They are very important," he said. "It would have been a far greater dilemma for us [without third-party arrangements] because even though the salary cap's moving up in 2007, if you are overweight in any one position or in any one player in the salary cap … you're going to struggle to compete for a full season.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/t...pped-on-details/2006/05/25/1148524821361.html


Dragons confirm TPA helped to get him to re-sign

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I don't see how any club wouldn't be grappling with exactly the same issues with these arrangements - other than the ultra professional ones who know they have arms length benefactors stitching up their interests (like the Broncos through the thoroughbreds).

But we are the only club with grubs that leak info for personal gain rather then focus on the best interest of the club

 

[oldmancraigy]

If my company approaches the club's corporate sales team to discuss potential sponsorship and the club says "you do have the option of becoming a TPA provider - please contact (insert player managers name) if you would prefer to go down that path... blah blah blah" is this against the rules?

My read of the above article is that it could have simply been a discussion between Board and COO (Boulous) along those lines.

I would read it in a similar vein.

?The board noted that for 2014 there is in the order of $589k in TPA?s (sic) plus 2 cars that are outstanding and need to be secured. (Eels director Peter) Serrao questioned the option of securing commercial revenues and J. Boulous confirmed currently the corporate team are focused on sourcing sponsorship. The board discussed the fact that there needs to be a clear determination as to whether a sponsor wants to be a corporate partner or TPA provider.?

Is there more than one thing being discussed here?
The amount of money the club is allowed to organise in TPA's for players is how much? (answer = $600k).
And the number of cars the club can organise is how many? (2).

If they needed to 'secure' those items, well, duh. That is their job in organising.

Then they go on about the corporate team focussed on sourcing sponsorship and the board discussed the fact there needs to be a clear determination as to whether a sponsor wants to be a corporate partner or TPA provider.
What is a corporate partner? Is that simply a sponsor who buys a box? Redbox pizza with a sign at the ground? Or are they here inferring a corporate partner is a team organised TPA provider, as opposed to a manager organised TPA provider.

I think it is a long bow to suggest the second - in the context of the discussion, it then reads naturally that they are trying to firm up corporate sponsorship, and want to be sure that the TPA providers are the blokes who stump up $600k, and the corporate sponsors get their name on the gear, at the ground, on a flyer, in the leagues club, or wherever....

 

[84 Baby]

I've always wondered how most people assume TPAs come about. It appears the media believe they just magically appear regardless of where player X signs. That may be true for larger corps like Nike or Coke, etc or established megastars like Hayne or Thurston, but the rest would surely be an acknowledgement between sponsor and club. As long as that acknowledgement isn't guaranteed by the club, from a close business relationship or used to artificially lower the player's cap salary. Leaks about player signings are often a call to arms for sponsors

 

[84 Baby]

But we are the only club with grubs that leak info for personal gain rather then focus on the best interest of the club

Anyone else get the feeling that this leak was done by someone who suspects/knows of other issues they didn't have evidence for but hope the auditors uncover now?

 

[Bigfella]

I've always wondered how most people assume TPAs come about. It appears the media believe they just magically appear regardless of where player X signs. That may be true for larger corps like Nike or Coke, etc or established megastars like Hayne or Thurston, but the rest would surely be an acknowledgement between sponsor and club. As long as that acknowledgement isn't guaranteed by the club, from a close business relationship or used to artificially lower the player's cap salary. Leaks about player signings are often a call to arms for sponsors

I would go as far as saying none come about without the club.

Otherwise they wouldn't be a factor in where the player signs. He could get the tap whoever he played for.

In practice that doesn't happen.

A club takes the credit for the sponsor ie roosters ensure that sbw credits them with getting him gigs on footy show; likewise Souths and burgess; Melbojrne and can smith on fox.

 

[Bigfella]

Anyone else get the feeling that this leak was done by someone who suspects/knows of other issues they didn't have evidence for but hope the auditors uncover now?

It seems like Someone with an axe to grind has got hold of someone who had access to these meetings in that time.

You can think of multiple parties and combinations who that could be, unfortunately

 

[Jake the snake]

It seems like Someone with an axe to grind has got hold of someone who had access to these meetings in that time.

You can think of multiple parties and combinations who that could be, unfortunately

Obviously security is lax

 

[Fearless Freeman]

Anybody know if Nick Tabakoff is a close relative of Dennis Fitgerald or Ray Hadley?

 

[Jake the snake]

Anybody know if Nick Tabakoff is a close relative of Dennis Fitgerald or Ray Hadley?

Hang on a sec let me look up ancestry.com

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Anybody know if Nick Tabakoff is a close relative of Dennis Fitgerald or Ray Hadley?

This dude?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...h/news-story/68284b1336b9d4691f63d22f002747be

 

[Gronk]

This dude?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...h/news-story/68284b1336b9d4691f63d22f002747be

Merkin

 

[84 Baby]

My idea is a 3 stage system. I haven't done calculations yet so don't hold me to numbers

1st stage - player salaries, allowances & other payments from club. There are set tiers of contracts, you must have set number of each and it's the same at every club. Example 3 players get $700k, 4 get $500k, etc. Perhaps there may be allowance if club doesn't want 3 top tier players, they can have an extra tier 2 and upgrade tier 4 to tier 3, whatever it is, as I said haven't done calcs, but there has to be enough disparity between the tiers to encourage distribution of talent, but not so much to cause player group issues. The cap could be the same as it is now, less or more but should probably be tied to broadcast deal. So players' overall salary is the same at every club.

2nd stage - "TPAs" sourced from anywhere except can't be guaranteed by club & can't be in a direct relationship with club e.g. Rusty can't fork over his own money to Burgess. Other than those rules if Dyldam want to sponsor the club & Norman, they can. Player can introduce their own, sponsors can choose their sponsoree or clubs can direct sponsorship to certain players. This is also where NRL exemptions & allowances are included for long term juniors, etc. There would also be exemptions for certain sponsors, commonly the larger corporations who are sponsoring the player regardless of where they play. There has to be a limit set high enough to encourage increased pay to the entire playing group, but low enough that it doesn't just become a 'who has the wealthiest fans' battle. Also there'd be a determination from the NRL if a player is getting substantial sponsorship then his player salary tier suggest he should.

3rd stage - The above the "TPA" limit payments. So if you go above the 2nd stage limit, you aren't breaching, instead the club gets taxed dollar for dollar the amount it goes over the cap by and that money gets distributed to every player at clubs who didn't go over limit, based on player salary up to their respective club's 2nd stage limit. There would then be a hard cap at this stage, which would be breach for going over, automatic fine plus tax plus potential points deduction.

It's probably not too far distant except the last stage to what is effectively happening at the moment, but I reckon having it set, known to the fans & stupidarse media will make it more transparent and do a better job of evening talent than it currently is

 

[IFR33K]

It's one thing to say the club organised the TPA. It's another thing to prove the club organised said TPA.

 

[Twizzle]

Well they don't really have to prove anything do they ?

They just say the Telecrap understands, or sources close to the club can reveal............

The fifth estate are a law unto themselves

 

[Delboy]

Talking to a few people , this is what it is about

The whole thing is not about the board in general, it is simply personal against Sharp and Issa, and if the club suffers to achieve their end so be it

Sharp advised the emperor he would not take directions from
Him after being elected, even though he had his support for the election

Spags blames Sharp for lack of support and the action to stand him down

Seward , see Spags

Jason Irvine (ex NRL footy manager) who was relieved of duties by DA, also doesn't forgive Sharp for not supporting him

Issa seen as power broker behind Sharp

Shepherd still believes his friendship with DF led to his removal, blamed Sharp and Issa

Feeling is that despite all the good work done by Sharp and his love for taking the club forward, the hatred for him may lead to his having to stand down , Which would be sad and a victory for the haters

Looking at what the Telecrap continues on with, hardly a smoking gun, but it's the ultimate click bait .

Comments now from Jake and Hiney, great trio with Raaaaay

 

[Bigfella]

That's an even bigger load of agenda fuelled drivel than the telegraph articles.

At least you can understand what they are saying.

 

[hineyrulz]

Lol Delboy.