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Sam Tomkins: coming to an NRL club near you

vvvrulz

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However, I still think he is a bloody good fullback, and an upgrade from Locke.

As of now probably yes, debatable overall.
Locke in 2011 was superior to Tomkins imo.

And yes it may seem like we're all ripping into him for no reason, he's not a terrible player by any means and he's obviously giving it 100%.

But factor in the cash, the hype and the promise then he has been disappointing quite a lot.
 

Izz

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Locke in 2011 was superior to Tomkins imo.
which may well be true and all, but is pretty much beside the point. A good year that Locke had 3 years ago means nothing now, when comparing him and Tomkins.

Reece Robinson was amazing at fullback for the Raiders in 2012. Would you have him above Tomkins in the side this year?
 

KeepingTheFaith

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As of now probably yes, debatable overall.
Locke in 2011 was superior to Tomkins imo.

And yes it may seem like we're all ripping into him for no reason, he's not a terrible player by any means and he's obviously giving it 100%.

But factor in the cash, the hype and the promise then he has been disappointing quite a lot.

Maybe that's why it doesn't bother me as much as some. I wasn't promised anything, I never bought into unrealistic hype, and the cash isn't costing us anybody (in fact we're still throwing cash at guys like Matai/Luke for next year) so I don't consider that a factor. I'd rather have Tomkins than an extra chunk of cash in the salary cap we're not using.

Also, the 2011 (let's be realistic, for 3 months at best) Locke is such a romance for fans. He did some brilliant individual things, but those glossed over a lot of what he did poorly. Locke's development was very poor and he was never going to become the complete package people were hoping.
 

JJ

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we were promised a great coach, and a great fullback...

we got Elliott and Tomkins, at least Tomkins is ok
 

vvvrulz

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which may well be true and all, but is pretty much beside the point. A good year that Locke had 3 years ago means nothing now, when comparing him and Tomkins.

Reece Robinson was amazing at fullback for the Raiders in 2012. Would you have him above Tomkins in the side this year?

:lol: Ok come on... Locke is better than Reece Robinson.

Locke fell away a bit but did he ever really get *that* bad?
I do take your point that Tomkins is probably > than Locke today, but I don't get why so many are so dismissive of Locke.
 
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In terms of value Locke is certainly better.
For the amount more Tomkins would be on he isn't that much better than Locke.
 

Izz

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:lol: Ok come on... Locke is better than Reece Robinson.
Yeah, don't disagree, but comparing Locke and Robinson isn't my point either.

Locke fell away a bit but did he ever really get *that* bad?

I do take your point that Tomkins is probably > than Locke today, but I don't get why so many are so dismissive of Locke.
I have a soft spot for Locke. Always have. I'm certainly not dismissing him. He'll carve up the SL.

However, as fans, we tended to judge Locke on his outstanding potential and what we thought he was capable of. But, as KTF said, his development was poor, and while he did some brilliant individual things, he did a lot of not-so-great stuff too. People keep talking about Tomkins dropping bombs. Locke was good for at least one dropped bomb a match too, and his defensive positioning wasn't always the best either. He was, however, ten times better than the fish at positioning his backs defensively, but not as good as Tomkins, imo.

Personally, i'm more than happy with Tomkins. Yeah, he makes some clangers, but he never goes into his shell. Johnson is having his most consistent year-to-date, and i think that's in huge part to do with Tomkins.

And it's not like we're struggling for cap space. We've extended a heap of players already, signed Hoffman, who wouldn't have come cheap, and are still making plays at other big names.

If we subjected Locke, or any other Warriors player, to the same microscope we're subjecting Tomkins too we'd be calling for the whole squad to be sacked.
 
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Fazz_138

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Great game from Tomkins so far.

Again.

Man I feel ripped off as a Warriors fan. A try assist every couple of games, but at least one critical error every week and no penetration in attack.
 
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Did he come with a warranty? Warriors definitely not getting their moneys worth.
Worst English import since Luke Burgess.
 

Aragorn

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Tomkins is looking very average..... no penetration in attack, shirt grabbing on tackles and no where to be seen on bombs...... dont know what the answer is.... he needs some serious schooling by a good coach.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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Barba v Tomkins 1 on 1 and Barba made mince meat of him.

I would be asking Wigan for a refund if I were you, Warriors. Even Bowen would be a better choice at this point.
 

shinobi

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If only Locke hadnt have spat the dummy he couldve been back in there. That attempted tackle on Barba was just plain rubbish.
 

Bovrick

Juniors
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Awful game again today. He isn't being given the same quality of ball he had at Wigan, and his defence has regressed spectacularly. That attempt on Barba was pathetic.
 

Meth

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Embarrassing attempt at a tackle on Barba. Apart from that, his game was fine.

The hate he gets on here is pathetic
 

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