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Scomo saving me

carcharias

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What we are doing supposedly isn't enough according to the scientist.

Oh well. Nothing is going to change. We don't want to do it, they don't want to do it. Won't get done.

Probably just pointless talking about it now.

Then it hasn’t been enough for the last 70 years then.

Longer.
 

carcharias

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Exactly.

And our system isn't designed to deal with a problem of this nature.

Oh well.
Yes
So you can’t blame Scomo for it.
He shouldn’t be accused of things that were set in concrete many years and governments before him.

That’s like blaming the bloke in the Ronald McDonald suit for obesity.
 

Quicksilver

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Yes
So you can’t blame Scomo for it.
He shouldn’t be accused of things that were set in concrete many years and governments before him.

That’s like blaming the bloke in the Ronald McDonald suit for obesity.

I'm so sorry if I've said anything nasty about Scott. It's not his fault.

Leadership is taking people down the garden path, no matter what is at the end of it.
 

taipan

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I'm not sure what your point is exactly? So you want people with less to give up more?

I'm of the opinion that everyone should be reducing emissions.

I think it's a bit rich for us to say that we don't have to do anything based on our relatively small emissions as a country, when per person we are Olympic standard.

If a country like China ( the 2nd biggest spender on defence in the world,) usually involving huge quantities of steel, aluminium etc, then they cannot be classified as a 3rd world country and they should be in a position to reduce emissions ,as they are one of the world's biggest polluters.
Building hypersonic missiles ,does not come cheap.
No problem with their Party Officials earning large sums, in a supposed egalitarian society.

Maybe the average low income Chinese worker would be better off financially ,if huge amounts were not spent on defence, or filling in coral atolls and pretending they are islands.Just saying .
Maybe the Sharks should fill in Woolooware Bay and call it now 1,2 & 3 grounds.About as dumb.

It's not a case of people with less giving up more, it's a case of a flawed system doing all the dictating and money spending.
 

Quicksilver

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If a country like China ( the 2nd biggest spender on defence in the world,) usually involving huge quantities of steel, aluminium etc, then they cannot be classified as a 3rd world country and they should be in a position to reduce emissions ,as they are one of the world's biggest polluters.
Building hypersonic missiles ,does not come cheap.
No problem with their Party Officials earning large sums, in a supposed egalitarian society.

Maybe the average low income Chinese worker would be better off financially ,if huge amounts were not spent on defence, or filling in coral atolls and pretending they are islands.Just saying .
Maybe the Sharks should fill in Woolooware Bay and call it now 1,2 & 3 grounds.About as dumb.

It's not a case of people with less giving up more, it's a case of a flawed system doing all the dictating and money spending.

Half of what they are doing is making dog shit disposable products for our consumption in the west!

Fuelled by our capitalist money which is exploiting their people just as much as their party officials. Both are responsible.

I agree with you that they are as corrupt as f**k. But you have a massive blind spot for the failings of our system.

Look at the military spending by the US for instance. It makes the Chinese spend look like chump change. (especially if considered on a GASSSSP per capita basis, or even as a % of GDP)

And I posted an article about a week ago about the Australia Government's tactics to take control of East Timor energy assets. You didn't like the source so you just dismissed it. Clouded vision if ever I've seen it.

We in the west give as good as we get. But you have a victim mentality, which is pretty typical of Aussies of your generation. Be better, step outside and take a clear look around you.
 

Eion

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Half of what they are doing is making dog shit disposable products for our consumption in the west!

Fuelled by our capitalist money which is exploiting their people just as much as their party officials. Both are responsible.

I agree with you that they are as corrupt as f**k. But you have a massive blind spot for the failings of our system.

Look at the military spending by the US for instance. It makes the Chinese spend look like chump change. (especially if considered on a GASSSSP per capita basis, or even as a % of GDP)

And I posted an article about a week ago about the Australia Government's tactics to take control of East Timor energy assets. You didn't like the source so you just dismissed it. Clouded vision if ever I've seen it.

We in the west give as good as we get. But you have a victim mentality, which is pretty typical of Aussies of your generation. Be better, step outside and take a clear look around you.
I haven’t seen anyone claim any system is perfect.

All you do is bitch.

Let’s hear your solution, a bazillion pages in and you’re yet to fess up to your preferred model. Scared it’s not perfect?
 

Quicksilver

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I haven’t seen anyone claim any system is perfect.

All you do is bitch.

Let’s hear your solution, a bazillion pages in and you’re yet to fess up to your preferred model. Scared it’s not perfect?


No model is perfect.

Broadly, what I want is a model that takes into account human rights (and broad human well-being) and environmental limits on a finite planet. I want it to take advantage of market forces but I don't want "the market" to be the be all and end all. Capitalism as it operates now is not sustainable. I want transparent government.

I'm open to discussions about how we achieve that.

Oh, and I want Greta to be the next Queen of England.
 

taipan

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Half of what they are doing is making dog shit disposable products for our consumption in the west!

Fuelled by our capitalist money which is exploiting their people just as much as their party officials. Both are responsible.

I agree with you that they are as corrupt as f**k. But you have a massive blind spot for the failings of our system.

Look at the military spending by the US for instance. It makes the Chinese spend look like chump change. (especially if considered on a GASSSSP per capita basis, or even as a % of GDP)

And I posted an article about a week ago about the Australia Government's tactics to take control of East Timor energy assets. You didn't like the source so you just dismissed it. Clouded vision if ever I've seen it.

We in the west give as good as we get. But you have a victim mentality, which is pretty typical of Aussies of your generation. Be better, step outside and take a clear look around you.

I suggest you have. alike at their fence budge, their arms buildup, and massive infrastructure on made up islands which were not islands before.
Fuelled by their demand for iron ore and coal more like it.We supply beef, grains, hides to them also.Where do you think they as a Govt , get all their money and pocket most of it?

I suggest the people in America are earning more per capita and better off than those in China, plus the US economy for a nation of 300m is much bigger.I much prefer countries spent money on things for their people than arms.
My understanding in East Timor is a joint venture .
The East Timorese also are thankful for the assistance they got from Australia to gain independence.China doesn't like the term independence, ask Taiwan.Perhaps check the story on the Oz reporters who lost their lives in East Timor,by Indonesian soldiers.

We in the West can criticise our government ,just like you do constantly do.Anyone knocked on your door lately asking why, and don't do it again or else.
The West is not perfect by any means, but we don't deny citizens human rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion ,and the right to elect people from other parties etc.

If there is anyone who needs a bit of schooling on the difference between a totalitarian Communist Govt and a democratically elected one ,you just offered yourself up as the perfect student.
Many people in China today have no idea about the 1989 Tianemen Square massacre.Hong Kong is about to get further tightening on freedoms.
And the Vic Govt under Andrews,has been sucked into China's Belt and Road sheesh.
 

Quicksilver

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I suggest you have. alike at their fence budge, their arms buildup, and massive infrastructure on made up islands which were not islands before.
Fuelled by their demand for iron ore and coal more like it.We supply beef, grains, hides to them also.Where do you think they as a Govt , get all their money and pocket most of it?

I suggest the people in America are earning more per capita and better off than those in China, plus the US economy for a nation of 300m is much bigger.I much prefer countries spent money on things for their people than arms.
My understanding in East Timor is a joint venture .
The East Timorese also are thankful for the assistance they got from Australia to gain independence.China doesn't like the term independence, ask Taiwan.Perhaps check the story on the Oz reporters who lost their lives in East Timor,by Indonesian soldiers.

We in the West can criticise our government ,just like you do constantly do.Anyone knocked on your door lately asking why, and don't do it again or else.
The West is not perfect by any means, but we don't deny citizens human rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion ,and the right to elect people from other parties etc.

If there is anyone who needs a bit of schooling on the difference between a totalitarian Communist Govt and a democratically elected one ,you just offered yourself up as the perfect student.
Many people in China today have no idea about the 1989 Tianemen Square massacre.Hong Kong is about to get further tightening on freedoms.
And the Vic Govt under Andrews,has been sucked into China's Belt and Road sheesh.

Another jingoistic ramble.

2/10.
 
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I suggest you have. alike at their fence budge, their arms buildup, and massive infrastructure on made up islands which were not islands before.
Fuelled by their demand for iron ore and coal more like it.We supply beef, grains, hides to them also.Where do you think they as a Govt , get all their money and pocket most of it?

I suggest the people in America are earning more per capita and better off than those in China, plus the US economy for a nation of 300m is much bigger.I much prefer countries spent money on things for their people than arms.
My understanding in East Timor is a joint venture .
The East Timorese also are thankful for the assistance they got from Australia to gain independence.China doesn't like the term independence, ask Taiwan.Perhaps check the story on the Oz reporters who lost their lives in East Timor,by Indonesian soldiers.

We in the West can criticise our government ,just like you do constantly do.Anyone knocked on your door lately asking why, and don't do it again or else.
The West is not perfect by any means, but we don't deny citizens human rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion ,and the right to elect people from other parties etc.

If there is anyone who needs a bit of schooling on the difference between a totalitarian Communist Govt and a democratically elected one ,you just offered yourself up as the perfect student.
Many people in China today have no idea about the 1989 Tianemen Square massacre.Hong Kong is about to get further tightening on freedoms.
And the Vic Govt under Andrews,has been sucked into China's Belt and Road sheesh.
Im confused Taips. Agree with your criticisms of Chinese govt, But why were ouir businesses and Govt so compliant in importing their "slave labour "goods and exporting our own natural resources and Carbon emitting fuels for their factories, and even offshoring formerly profitable Australian businesses there to take advantage of Cheap Labour ? How has all that sent the signal to this totalitarian state that they need to smarten up ?
 

Eion

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No model is perfect.

Broadly, what I want is a model that takes into account human rights (and broad human well-being) and environmental limits on a finite planet. I want it to take advantage of market forces but I don't want "the market" to be the be all and end all. Capitalism as it operates now is not sustainable. I want transparent government.

I'm open to discussions about how we achieve that.

Oh, and I want Greta to be the next Queen of England.
Every government would point to various policy and say they do all of that, except making Greta queen. Maybe that’s Green policy actually.
 

taipan

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Im confused Taips. Agree with your criticisms of Chinese govt, But why were ouir businesses and Govt so compliant in importing their "slave labour "goods and exporting our own natural resources and Carbon emitting fuels for their factories, and even offshoring formerly profitable Australian businesses there to take advantage of Cheap Labour ? How has all that sent the signal to this totalitarian state that they need to smarten up ?


You'd better ask the late Gough Whitlam who opened up China to our country, and indeed Hawkie who prior to Tianemen was delighted with the growth in trade.They were not Libs.

I worked for an exporter who sold earlier fro many years to Italy and Japan as the main markets, the demand dwindled somewhat the market that took up the vacuum was China and still is. 1.4bn consumers wanting food, raw materials.

I suggest if they were not getting the food ,raw materials ,the average Chinese worker's standard of living would be nowhere where it is today.And trying to compare that with a Western worker is a bit rich ATM.

Plus that country has huge numbers of workers or would be workers ,coming into the cities from the countryside.The old law of supply and demand also comes into play.Thus you can blame Chinese manufacturers they have a huge choice and can offer a lot less.
Remember or maybe you don't decades ago,Japanese product was cheap as, but eventually their standard of living rose, and they priced themselves out of many industrial manufactures.Thailand and now Vietnam have taken over in many regards, due to cheap labour.

We also have nothing to cheer about, we have a decent number of Australians living below the poverty lone, some living under the stars or in cars.

Our continual push for wage increases in the 20th Century made ours,Japan,USA ,and Europe manufacturing too damn dear to make locally.If we had a viable car mfg industry ,the economic offshoots would have multiplied.

Large numbers of Chinese students come into Oz, for uni and TAFE education, that costs money.There are huge numbers of Chinese millionaires, are they taking advantage of the cheap labour?

President Xi has no qualms in cutting us off ,and even selecting if he so choose, these carbon emitting (and dirtier) fuels for their factories from the likes of Brazil.Even Albo would hold his hands up in horror.

If we were able to provide all our power with renewables and not have to dig crap out of the ground(iron ore will always be needed though),I'd be the first to lead the cheer squad.

There is talk of India wanting Western manufacturers to set up business in India, as a result of the China v Yank trade wars. Again huge population,cheap labour.
 

carcharias

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While you are bagging out Australia via your iphone....I suggest you check out the Foxconn factory and iPhone city in China.

approx 80000+ people living onsite In dorms working 10.5 hours a day 6 days a week.
Doing the same repetitive Mind f**k of a job all day.
For about $100 a week.
 

Quicksilver

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Well with you the war is still going on these threads, when it comes to ScoMO and the Commos.The George Bush analogy is apt.

The Scomos are really just Feudalists.

The Commos are actually Cosmos with a far greater understanding of the universe.
 

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