Scomo saving me

[wibble]

well
The bloke I know does sweet f**k all that I can see.
No solar
No gas
Outdoor electric heaters
Tv’everywhere
Every kids has Xbox and tv in their rooms
Works in town
Lives walking distant to train
Still drives to work.

which is fine.. if your not complaining fossil fuels.

Well, sounds like a hypocrite!

Which doesn't mean he is wrong in wanting to lower carbon emissions, but he obviously doesn't feel it is his responsibility to start.

 

[Defer to the coifed]

Well, sounds like a hypocrite!

Which doesn't mean he is wrong in wanting to lower carbon emissions, but he obviously doesn't feel it is his responsibility to start.

So the evil genius in your mob I reckon are going to do this. In order to lower carbon emissions, they cannot put in a tax or subsidise renewables. they will just not get into power. their only option is to go Nuclear & its a very smart option. I will tell you how smart. If they promise to open the Australian Nuclear industry, even I would vote, for the unvoteable, & millions more like me would also.

 

[wibble]

So the evil genius in your mob I reckon are going to do this. In order to lower carbon emissions, they cannot put in a tax or subsidise renewables. they will just not get into power. their only option is to go Nuclear & its a very smart option. I will tell you how smart. If they promise to open the Australian Nuclear industry, even I would vote, for the unvoteable, & millions more like me would also.

Maybe. I think too many people are too wary for nuclear to be a starter at the moment. Also, the costs up front would be astronomical.

And governments will have concerns about security with nuclear facilities that they don't have with other power sources.

Maybe some nuclear for base load, while renewables replace coal over a decade or two, isn't a terrible idea. Obviously the thorium nuclear plants that scientists advocate are pretty much just ideas at the moment, engineers still need to be able to build them, and financers may also be worried by new nuclear technology.

The advantage of nuclear is that it gives us options and experience, and helps us develop technology, that may be important for us to colonise other planets. The disadvantage is that the worst case scenarios with nuclear are pretty bleak.

 

[Defer to the coifed]

Maybe. I think too many people are too wary for nuclear to be a starter at the moment. Also, the costs up front would be astronomical.

And governments will have concerns about security with nuclear facilities that they don't have with other power sources.

Maybe some nuclear for base load, while renewables replace coal over a decade or two, isn't a terrible idea. Obviously the thorium nuclear plants that scientists advocate are pretty much just ideas at the moment, engineers still need to be able to build them, and financers may also be worried by new nuclear technology.

The advantage of nuclear is that it gives us options and experience, and helps us develop technology, that may be important for us to colonise other planets. The disadvantage is that the worst case scenarios with nuclear are pretty bleak.

We'll see. For mine its the only road back into power for Labor now they're aligned with the Greens, the most hated people in the world. They cant just sit around waiting for a John Howard type scenario where the entire country loved him, but they had become so easy in life & wealthy, they found issues where there werent any. The old familiarity breeds contempt election loss. Libs wont let that happen again. Just move them on prior to election.
Nukes is the disruptor nobody can plan for. Like face it, the rusted on lefties in thread going to vote liberal because they are so anti Nukes? haha They would slit their own throats with a feather before they did that. Would a rusted on righty like me vote labor to kick off Australias Nuclear industry?
You bet I would.

 

[wibble]

We'll see. For mine its the only road back into power for Labor now they're aligned with the Greens, the most hated people in the world. They cant just sit around waiting for a John Howard type scenario where the entire country loved him, but they had become so easy in life & wealthy, they found issues where there werent any. The old familiarity breeds contempt election loss. Libs wont let that happen again. Just move them on prior to election.
Nukes is the disruptor nobody can plan for. Like face it, the rusted on lefties in thread going to vote liberal because they are so anti Nukes? haha They would slit their own throats with a feather before they did that. Would a rusted on righty like me vote labor to kick off Australias Nuclear industry?
You bet I would.

Maybe its just the circles I mix in, but I don't know many people who are fond of the idea of nuclear, let alone keen enough to swap their regular vote.

It would take a decent sales job from Labor, and I can't see anyone there capable of that.

Edit: maybe it could start with a feasibility study or some such, but then if it turns out to be a popular idea, Liberal will run with it anyway

 

[Defer to the coifed]

Maybe its just the circles I mix in, but I don't know many people who are fond of the idea of nuclear, let alone keen enough to swap their regular vote.

It would take a decent sales job from Labor, and I can't see anyone there capable of that.

Edit: maybe it could start with a feasibility study or some such, but then if it turns out to be a popular idea, Liberal will run with it anyway

Thats not how it will work. & its not a disruptor any longer if both do it.

 

[Quicksilver]

I don’t like nuclear.

Waste they don’t know how to deal with.

No thanks

 

[Defer to the coifed]

I don’t like nuclear.

Waste they don’t know how to deal with.

No thanks

so youd prefer a high carbon content in the atmosphere. Not only do you want action , you want to ontrol what it is , by whom it is implemented, how much other people have to pay for it be to introuduced etc etc.
I think thats classic ID politics.

 

[txta2]

Our bills would be double with nuclear, fact.
Coal is 50 per cent more expensive than renewable energy, fact.
Sports rorts went through scummos office, fact.
Current govt wants to use tax payers money ($11mill)to fix a business owned coal generated power plant, fact.

 

[txta2]

Robodebt was against the law,fact.

 

[Defer to the coifed]

Wow you are a cranky little miserable ant aren't you?! fact!

 

[carcharias]

Well, sounds like a hypocrite!

Which doesn't mean he is wrong in wanting to lower carbon emissions, but he obviously doesn't feel it is his responsibility to start.

Maybe he thinks all the protesting makes him look cool on Facebook .

 

[Quicksilver]

Our bills would be double with nuclear, fact.
Coal is 50 per cent more expensive than renewable energy, fact.
Sports rorts went through scummos office, fact.
Current govt wants to use tax payers money ($11mill)to fix a business owned coal generated power plant, fact.

Yes.

 

[Quicksilver]

so youd prefer a high carbon content in the atmosphere. Not only do you want action , you want to ontrol what it is , by whom it is implemented, how much other people have to pay for it be to introuduced etc etc.
I think thats classic ID politics.

I guess I could ask you the same question.

 

[taipan]

Sports' rorts are an embarrassment to the Government and also ScoMo ,that is a lay down.And needs to be made transparent, to the Australian public, instead of stalling.
But if one believes the Libs are somehow unique , you only have to look at the Ros Kelly ALP sports minister in the 2nd Keating Govt of 1993/4, With directed distribution to ALP marginal seats ,and in the end, under pressure from the other parties had to resign.
And when corruption is levelled at one party and not others ,simply by ignoring historical facts over the decades.Try travel rorts whale watching with family, China town cash in IGA bags. All parties(yes Libs, so no deflection) have been influenced one way or another, over the years.
All members of Parliament want to be re elected ,they want to do the best for their electorate, they will make promises and if in power open the purse strings.
Power in its many guises can corrupt.And corruption occurs in all forms of Govt ,worldwide.
That's my rant,I just want openness in Govt and politicians to think before they make dumb decisions.

 

[Defer to the coifed]

I guess I could ask you the same question.

No its not anything close to what you are. I would be willing to vote against my concscience & morals for Socialists/communists. To me the most despicable polit ical persasion known to mankind. But it would have to be for an extraordinary benefit to Australia, like the Nuclear industry.
its so funny that identity politics wants you lower to carbon, but wont use the most obvious pragamatic solution for everybody that is Nuclear industry.
Australian Coal is a fantastic, clean energy source, despite what you bed wetters say. But I would compromise on shutting that down, for a completely carbon free energy source in Nuclear.
Bed wetters think Coal is the enemy, but wont go to nuclear, because of identity politics. Its all or nothing. Every policy from refugees, to power, etc etc lock stock & barrel.

 

[wibble]

so youd prefer a high carbon content in the atmosphere. Not only do you want action , you want to ontrol what it is , by whom it is implemented, how much other people have to pay for it be to introuduced etc etc.
I think thats classic ID politics.

Some might say those things are just how markets operate. And if governments weren't hell bent in skewing the markets in favour of the coal companies that line their pockets, we wouldn't have to worry about climate change.

 

[wibble]

No its not anything close to what you are. I would be willing to vote against my concscience & morals for Socialists/communists. To me the most despicable polit ical persasion known to mankind. But it would have to be for an extraordinary benefit to Australia, like the Nuclear industry.
its so funny that identity politics wants you lower to carbon, but wont use the most obvious pragamatic solution for everybody that is Nuclear industry.
Australian Coal is a fantastic, clean energy source, despite what you bed wetters say. But I would compromise on shutting that down, for a completely carbon free energy source in Nuclear.
Bed wetters think Coal is the enemy, but wont go to nuclear, because of identity politics. Its all or nothing. Every policy from refugees, to power, etc etc lock stock & barrel.

Why would you favour nuclear over coal, if you don't think carbon is bad for the world?

 

[Quigs]

How Reagan and Thatcher saved the world.

 

[wibble]

Sports' rorts are an embarrassment to the Government and also ScoMo ,that is a lay down.And needs to be made transparent, to the Australian public, instead of stalling.
But if one believes the Libs are somehow unique , you only have to look at the Ros Kelly ALP sports minister in the 2nd Keating Govt of 1993/4, With directed distribution to ALP marginal seats ,and in the end, under pressure from the other parties had to resign.
And when corruption is levelled at one party and not others ,simply by ignoring historical facts over the decades.Try travel rorts whale watching with family, China town cash in IGA bags. All parties(yes Libs, so no deflection) have been influenced one way or another, over the years.
All members of Parliament want to be re elected ,they want to do the best for their electorate, they will make promises and if in power open the purse strings.
Power in its many guises can corrupt.And corruption occurs in all forms of Govt ,worldwide.
That's my rant,I just want openness in Govt and politicians to think before they make dumb decisions.

Pointing out the corruption of other parties is absolutely no excuse for these rorts. And if people don't get worked up over rorts over the past, they can still feel that the current behaviour of the government is very poor.

But I don't think anyone has levelled corruption at one party and not another. I don't think anyone is impressed with Obeid, for example. But the law caught up with him. Even though they changed their leadership and tried to oust the old school corrupt politicians, that shockingly corrupt state Labor government got rightly whacked at the next election.

Ros Kelly was sacked (albeit also under protest from Keating) and Labor were punished in her electorate by voters disgusted with her. There was no evidence that the Prime Minister was as intimately involved as in this current rort. But Keating was shameful for defending her, and she deserved to be sacked. It is an embarrassment for Keating's legacy that he had to be held to account by the Democrat led senate. But I don't think many Labor voters would disagree that it was shameful.

Now the government is setting up funds that don't even have any criteria, just members asking for funds for their electorates. They're not even trying to hide pork barrelling anymore.

The treasurer, prime minister, deputy prime minister, and various ministers all spoke endlessly about "eligibility". Not only was this not true, but it is a bullshit excuse anyway. It shows they have absolutely no sense of doing the right thing by the Australian people.

I agree with you though. It is power that is corrupting. And it probably corrupts most who get it. I also agree open ness and transparency in government, as well as independent branches and watchdogs, are absolutely necessary for government to be democratic. This current government has a terrible record in terms of transparency.

As you say, why should they be transparent? They want to win elections, keep their cushy jobs. If you assume they are not interested in doing the right thing merely because it is the right thing to do, which seems clear with those defending these disgusting rorts, there is absolutely no incentive for them to be open, to do the right thing, or to have good watch dogs. Unless we give them that incentive.

It should not be partisan at all. Ros Kelly lost her safe labor seat (though they should have suffered more at the next election for cheating, but GST became the issue). Voters have plenty of options, they don't have to keep voting for crooks, just because they that's who their grandparents voted for.

If politicians cheat democracy, they have to pay at election time, or we become a non democracy with elections, like China and Russia. But partisan politics helps keep corrupt politicians in power. Even if they are on "your" side, you have to get rid of rotten politicians. Give some other party that has similar views to the one you vote for a go. Or try independents.

But it won't happen, and we get the democracy we deserve, because we are unwilling to care about our precious democratic freedoms more than our finger pointing at parties that we don't like.