Season '22

[Kilkenny]

Losing Tamou ,Mansour, and Tetavano was also a "concern". Guess what happened.

Happy days ahead then.

A whole season of footy in front of us, who knows what will unfold.

 

[Girds89]

link didn't work it was his try v Newtown at home. Had another good run at fullback later in the game.

That is the concern and the reason that I rate our 2023 Premiership chances higher than this season

I know the try your talking about. Seen highlights of it throughout last year. Didnt he have about a 10m head start on anyone before they had to turn and chase?

Hardly a good example for ones speed. Id expect most nrl backs with a 10m start and opposition having to turn and chase that they should score. Even over 90m. Theres a few who would get run down like your mansours etc.. but reality is that most nrl backs wouldve scored that or not been caught. Was good try none the less. I like the look of jenkins but id be very suprised if he was in the top 5 for quickest over 40 at the club. Not saying hes slow by any meaks but definitely looks to be quicker over longer distance than explosive.

I think youd find it would possibly be something like this for fasest over 40.
1. Staines
2. Tiny
3. Edwards
4. Tago
5. Luai

Probably in that order but as i said earlier i think tago would be a smokey to be a few spots higher. He really is quite explosive over a short distance. Seems to hit top speed within 5-10m. Could be as high as 2.

People think edwards is slow but i remember ivan or someone last year saying he was second quickest at the club. Hes none freak speedster but hes quick enough. Difference between edwards and teddy, ponga, etc is they have that explosiveness over 5-10m. Which is why im so excited for tago.

Anyway, with our lack of depth at centre id say jenkins is a decent chance of debuting this year. Will be good to see how he goes. Even if the ease him in on the wing which he looks more thsn capable of playing.

 

[Iamback]

I know the try your talking about. Seen highlights of it throughout last year. Didnt he have about a 10m head start on anyone before they had to turn and chase?

Hardly a good example for ones speed. Id expect most nrl backs with a 10m start and opposition having to turn and chase that they should score. Even over 90m. Theres a few who would get run down like your mansours etc.. but reality is that most nrl backs wouldve scored that or not been caught. Was good try none the less. I like the look of jenkins but id be very suprised if he was in the top 5 for quickest over 40 at the club. Not saying hes slow by any meaks but definitely looks to be quicker over longer distance than explosive.

I think youd find it would possibly be something like this for fasest over 40.
1. Staines
2. Tiny
3. Edwards
4. Tago
5. Luai

Probably in that order but as i said earlier i think tago would be a smokey to be a few spots higher. He really is quite explosive over a short distance. Seems to hit top speed within 5-10m. Could be as high as 2.

People think edwards is slow but i remember ivan or someone last year saying he was second quickest at the club. Hes none freak speedster but hes quick enough. Difference between edwards and teddy, ponga, etc is they have that explosiveness over 5-10m. Which is why im so excited for tago.

Anyway, with our lack of depth at centre id say jenkins is a decent chance of debuting this year. Will be good to see how he goes. Even if the ease him in on the wing which he looks more thsn capable of playing.

Possibly but again aside from Naden v Dragons
Burton v Roosters
How many players in the side often get long range tries untouched?

The 3 long range tries we had in the top 20.

Edwards in Bathurst. To'o, Burton had hands in it.

Leota v GC. Again was several others involved.

Crichton v Dogs. Burton, To'o then too Crichton.

We aren't the slowest side but compare to the Storm for example and we are well back. Probably mid table and that is somewhere lacking.

He likely plays a few games given he can play anywhere in the backline. Like all young guys though will take a couple of seasons to see his best

 

[Iamback]

Another off season post GF where we have lost key players and depth.

There has to be concerns around our depth going into this season.

Significant outgoings, minimal incomings, it has to be a concern.

The key is not setting the bar to high, we shouldn’t assume another GF or Premiership is a given. It is not. This season is going to be tough, perhaps a season of transition who knows.

That is the thing. Eventually the lack of junior development playing time will take its toll.

The top 17 is strong. Have some depth in a few positions but if Martin or Kiks go down for example we will struggle.

We will finish Top 6. The key is being fit when finals come

 

[Fangs]

That is the thing. Eventually the lack of junior development playing time will take its toll.

It will. But it's a scenario that applies equally to all 16 clubs. I think we are as well placed as anyone to fill the void with new talent.

I'm expecting top 4 and a prelim finish at the least. We are set for a huge year.

 

[DinkyDi]

‘Not unreachable’: Insane Penrith reality sinks in as star exodus ‘opens another door’

‘Not unreachable’: Insane Penrith reality sinks in as star exodus ‘opens another door’

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Iamback]

It will. But it's a scenario that applies equally to all 16 clubs. I think we are as well placed as anyone to fill the void with new talent.

I'm expecting top 4 and a prelim finish at the least. We are set for a huge year.

It does apply to all sides.

What doesn't apply to all sides is the high Origin representation.

Only having 3 settled backline players. Of those Edwards can't stay on the field.

Kikau possibly phones it in

Api can't play interstate games.

Top 17 looks good. Take Crichton or Kiks out injured for example. The side comes back to the pack.

We are rightfully Competition favourites but it won't take much for us to be in the chasing pack. Like we were in the hook days

 

[Smug Panther]

It does apply to all sides.

What doesn't apply to all sides is the high Origin representation.

Only having 3 settled backline players. Of those Edwards can't stay on the field.

Kikau possibly phones it in

Api can't play interstate games.

Top 17 looks good. Take Crichton or Kiks out injured for example. The side comes back to the pack.

We are rightfully Competition favourites but it won't take much for us to be in the chasing pack. Look we were in the hook days

No because we have a coaching staff with gameplans now. HUGE difference to Hook

 

[Smug Panther]

I know the try your talking about. Seen highlights of it throughout last year. Didnt he have about a 10m head start on anyone before they had to turn and chase?

Hardly a good example for ones speed. Id expect most nrl backs with a 10m start and opposition having to turn and chase that they should score. Even over 90m. Theres a few who would get run down like your mansours etc.. but reality is that most nrl backs wouldve scored that or not been caught. Was good try none the less. I like the look of jenkins but id be very suprised if he was in the top 5 for quickest over 40 at the club. Not saying hes slow by any meaks but definitely looks to be quicker over longer distance than explosive.

I think youd find it would possibly be something like this for fasest over 40.
1. Staines
2. Tiny
3. Edwards
4. Tago
5. Luai

Probably in that order but as i said earlier i think tago would be a smokey to be a few spots higher. He really is quite explosive over a short distance. Seems to hit top speed within 5-10m. Could be as high as 2.

People think edwards is slow but i remember ivan or someone last year saying he was second quickest at the club. Hes none freak speedster but hes quick enough. Difference between edwards and teddy, ponga, etc is they have that explosiveness over 5-10m. Which is why im so excited for tago.

Anyway, with our lack of depth at centre id say jenkins is a decent chance of debuting this year. Will be good to see how he goes. Even if the ease him in on the wing which he looks more thsn capable of playing.

I think Nathan is faster than Luai for sure or maybe it's just that he puts in more effort. He's always backing up after breaks and scores a lot of tries that way

 

[Iamback]

No because we have a coaching staff with gameplans now. HUGE difference to Hook

Elite coaching and Game plans didn't help the Roosters last season. Lack of established FG hurt them even a moderate injury run likely sees similar for us

 

[Iamback]

I think Nathan is faster than Luai for sure or maybe it's just that he puts in more effort. He's always backing up after breaks and scores a lot of tries that way

We have a few over 30-40m that are pretty good. Over longer distances not so

 

[Smug Panther]

Elite coaching and Game plans didn't help the Roosters last season. Lack of established FG hurt them even a moderate injury run likely sees similar for us

It's sure as f**k helped them, anyone other than Robbo or Bellamy and they finish bottom 4 with that injury toll

 

[Iamback]

It's sure as f**k helped them, anyone other than Robbo or Bellamy and they finish bottom 4 with that injury toll

We will make the 8 this season. So it will help us

The draw particularly around Origin isn't nice. The class of the top players will get us through...Provided they are on the field that is

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

The woe is have started up again.

Games are not won on paper, they are won on the footy field.

I will wait (as I do other years) to see how the team plays before going out in public wearing sack cloth and ashes.

Yep Penrith have lost some players: There are some kids waiting probably (impatiently) for their go at the NRL.

Wouldn't suprise me for Penrith to be looking outside the store that sells rugby league players in the throw out bins. In the past Penrith have done very well with these type of journeymen.....Capewell, Scotty S as two good examples.

 

[Original Name]

It does apply to all sides.

What doesn't apply to all sides is the high Origin representation.

The gf isn't played a week after Origin. There's time to lift over selves after a flat post Origin month almost all teams that win prems do. Like we did when won the prem and almost all premiership teams do.

Only having 3 settled backline players. Of those Edwards can't stay on the field.

We can play Crichton at fullback and who ever in the regular season at centre. It doesn't matter for all but like 3 teams. We played May at centre in the finals against the Rabbitohs and like 4 others games in 2021 two of which against Raiders and Manly and still won. As long as Edwards gets back for the handful of games where he's needed he can take the rest off. There's like 3 teams where we need as close to full strength side.

People overestimate defensive job at centre as long as you win the win the ruck. If you do it's not that hard to defend there. We'll win it against all but a handful of teams. Billy Burns got a hat trick there when we carved up the Knights then got carved up and exposed the next year when we played a competetive team. Same for Capewell in Origin the games where he carved up vs the games he got absolutely carved up and exposed. Playing whoever there for like 3 games if fine. I think Martin defended there in one game and the world didn't end and we won it.

Kikau possibly phones it in

All Kikau has to do try super hard for the big games of the season and provide some spark now and again. We don't need him to super consistent. We won a prem with him not being consistent. That's isn't too far off what he did in 2021.

Api can't play interstate games.

We don't know Api can't play interstate. I highly doubt guys like Lolo and Tapine can exemptions but for some reason Api can't. Blade has even said Api isn't an anti vaxxer/covid denier but he's had a bad reaction. Whereas it seems like Tapine is just wary of vaccines from reading about bullshit on Facebook.

Top 17 looks good. Take Crichton or Kiks out injured for example. The side comes back to the pack.

Look at all the tries scored on the right edge. Martin ran a fade line against Brooks once. Martin stepped past an injured Moylan like twice to go over. All the other tries is just Cleary does all the work the second rower catches it and scores. Solid no name toilers go just fine next to Cleary and we shift Martin to the right if need be. Storm scored like 6 prems with those kinda guys. Just because the team doesn't look stacked doesn't mean anything because anyone turns into a world beater playing outside Cleary.

 

[Smug Panther]

The gf isn't played a week after Origin. There's time to lift over selves after a flat post Origin month almost all teams that win prems do. Like we did when won the prem and almost all premiership teams do.

We can play Crichton at fullback and who ever in the regular season at centre. It doesn't matter for all but like 3 teams. We played May at centre in the finals against the Rabbitohs and like 4 others games in 2021 two of which against Raiders and Manly and still won. As long as Edwards gets back for the handful of games where he's needed he can take the rest off. There's like 3 teams where we need as close to full strength side.

People overestimate defensive job at centre as long as you win the win the ruck. If not it's a very position to defend but if you win the ruck as we will against all but a handful of teams it's fine. Billy Burns got a hat trick there when we carved up the Knights then got carved up and exposed the next year when we played a completive team. Same for Capewell in Origin the games where he carved up vs the games he got absolutely carved up and exposed. Playing whoever there for like 3 games if fine. I think Martin defended there in one game and the world didn't end and we won it.

All Kikau has to do try super hard for the big games of the season and provide some spark now and again. We don't need him to super consistent. We won a prem with him not being consistent. That's isn't too far off what he did in 2021.

We don't know Api can't play interstate. I highly doubt guys like Lolo and Tapine can exemptions but for some reason Api can't. Blade has even said Api isn't an anti vaxxer/covid denier but he's had a bad reaction. Whereas it seems like Tapine is just wary of vaccines from reading about bullshit on Facebook.

Look at all the tries scored on the right edge. Martin ran a fade line against Brooks once. Martin stepped past an injured Moylan like twice to go over. All the other tries is just Cleary does all the work the second rower catches it and scores. Solid no name toilers go just fine next to Cleary and we shift Martin to the right if need be. Storm scored like 6 prems with those kinda guys. Just because the team doesn't look stacked doesn't mean anything because anyone turns into a world beater playing outside Cleary.

Franklin still thinks Nathan isn't a 7 and should be a hooker

 

[Iamback]

The gf isn't played a week after Origin. There's time to lift over selves after a flat post Origin month almost all teams that win prems do. Like we did when won the prem and almost all premiership teams do.

We can play Crichton at fullback and who ever in the regular season at centre. It doesn't matter for all but like 3 teams. We played May at centre in the finals against the Rabbitohs and like 4 others games in 2021 two of which against Raiders and Manly and still won. As long as Edwards gets back for the handful of games where he's needed he can take the rest off. There's like 3 teams where we need as close to full strength side.

People overestimate defensive job at centre as long as you win the win the ruck. If not it's a very position to defend but if you win the ruck as we will against all but a handful of teams it's fine. Billy Burns got a hat trick there when we carved up the Knights then got carved up and exposed the next year when we played a completive team. Same for Capewell in Origin the games where he carved up vs the games he got absolutely carved up and exposed. Playing whoever there for like 3 games if fine. I think Martin defended there in one game and the world didn't end and we won it.

All Kikau has to do try super hard for the big games of the season and provide some spark now and again. We don't need him to super consistent. We won a prem with him not being consistent. That's isn't too far off what he did in 2021.

We don't know Api can't play interstate. I highly doubt guys like Lolo and Tapine can exemptions but for some reason Api can't. Blade has even said Api isn't an anti vaxxer/covid denier but he's had a bad reaction. Whereas it seems like Tapine is just wary of vaccines from reading about bullshit on Facebook.

Look at all the tries scored on the right edge. Martin ran a fade line against Brooks once. Martin stepped past an injured Moylan like twice to go over. All the other tries is just Cleary does all the work the second rower catches it and scores. Solid no name toilers go just fine next to Cleary and we shift Martin to the right if need be. Storm scored like 6 prems with those kinda guys. Just because the team doesn't look stacked doesn't mean anything because anyone turns into a world beater playing outside Cleary.

So much to reply to here.

True but lets look at the around Origin schedule

Before Origin 1. Bulldogs - They will have maybe JAC in Origin. We will have 4-5
After Origin 1 - Maybe we have guys back up maybe not. V Knights that have Ponga and Gagai in SOO
Play 5 days after Origin 2 - Thankfully is the Roosters so both sides are affected
After Origin 3 play WT. Again will have no Origin players

This far out is too hard to predict as we don't know injuries across the board but we should start outsiders in all of those. Potentially lose all 5 given no Burton or Naden etc to call in.

None of those count in the potential games Api misses. Nor for injuries picked up in Origin or just generally but lets assume we get some luck in that regard.

Of the remaining 19 games.
We play Storm and Souths twice
Manly and Roosters once.

Winning 50% of those. Leaves 8 losses across the season,

Roosters lost 8 games last season and missed the top 4. That is how easy it is to fall behind in this comp and where the lack of depth will hurt

 

[Iamback]

Franklin still thinks Nathan isn't a 7 and should be a hooker

Not entirely true.

Lets just assume he went to 9.

Would there be a better 9 in the comp? No

Would a spine of:

Edwards
Luai
Burton
Cleary

Make us a worse team? I say no.

That was my argument at the time when Luai was not getting game time for Maloney. Burton ended up in the same boat and left

 

[Fangs]

Not entirely true.

Lets just assume he went to 9.

Would there be a better 9 in the comp? No

Would a spine of:

Edwards
Luai
Burton
Cleary

Make us a worse team? I say no.

That was my argument at the time when Luai was not getting game time for Maloney. Burton ended up in the same boat and left

Its was a good idea in 2018. Potentially stunts Cleary's development but gives us a much better chance at the title.

I can't make the argument after the performance of the spine in 2020. And again in 2021. Burton has no place in it.

 

[Original Name]

So much to reply to here.

True but lets look at the around Origin schedule

Before Origin 1. Bulldogs - They will have maybe JAC in Origin. We will have 4-5
After Origin 1 - Maybe we have guys back up maybe not. V Knights that have Ponga and Gagai in SOO
Play 5 days after Origin 2 - Thankfully is the Roosters so both sides are affected
After Origin 3 play WT. Again will have no Origin players

This far out is too hard to predict as we don't know injuries across the board but we should start outsiders in all of those. Potentially lose all 5 given no Burton or Naden etc to call in.

None of those count in the potential games Api misses. Nor for injuries picked up in Origin or just generally but lets assume we get some luck in that regard.

Of the remaining 19 games.
We play Storm and Souths twice
Manly and Roosters once.

Winning 50% of those. Leaves 8 losses across the season,

Roosters lost 8 games last season and missed the top 4. That is how easy it is to fall behind in this comp and where the lack of depth will hurt

How is that any different to the 2021 season when we had a flat period then went on to win the prem?