Semi Final week 2 Vs Brisbane

[Exsilium]

I'm not saying he's a bad player, I just think he may be more suited to a second receiver situation.

But that's unlikely to play out, so we need someone creative next to him.

Ben Hunt had the same comparisons. Great Half but better ball runner.

Eventually he was stuck with but a handful of bad games and signing with St George saw him shifted to another position.

 

[OldPanther]

He had a counselling session today did he not? He was never considered to play tonight despite the BS from the media.

As far as I've heard he wanted to play and the club said no because of the session you mentioned. Hopefully it works out for us as a club in the end aka Moylan at 6.

 

[tripster]

People also seem to be forgetting that John Cartwright is joining us next season.

Griffin has proven that he has some good qualities as coach. He clearly runs a tight, well disciplined ship. He is very good at coaching defence. He is good at developing juniors into first graders. You also can't doubt that he had the ability to keep our team motivated from a horror start to the season to keep trying and fight their way into the finals. Whomever he brought in to handle strength and conditioning is also excellent - we must be one of the fittest teams in the competition given how our best period in games is the last 20 minutes. I am glad he got rid of Palmer.

Coaching attack is also not his strength, but we have John Cartwright joining us next season (who has been a former NRL first grade coach in his own right). I expect the two of them will complement each other well.

 

[Rowdy Panther]

I'm not saying he's a bad player, I just think he may be more suited to a second receiver situation.

But that's unlikely to play out, so we need someone creative next to him.

He's a kid learning his trade. LOL
Judge him in three years if you want to truly break down his strengths and weaknesses. He isn't the finished article. He WILL be an organising half.

 

[OldPanther]

People also seem to be forgetting that John Cartwright is joining us next season.

Griffin has proven that he has some good qualities as coach. He clearly runs a tight, well disciplined ship. He is very good at coaching defence. He is good at developing juniors into first graders. Whomever he brought in to handle strength and conditioning is also excellent - we must be one of the fittest teams in the competition given how our best period in games is the last 20 minutes. I am glad he got rid of Palmer.

Coaching attack is also not his strength, but we have John Cartwright joining us next season (who has been a former NRL first grade coach in his own right). I expect the two of them will complement each other well.

Isn't Cartwright a defensive coach?

 

[herbert henry1908]

I received a message from one of my many contacts, not sure who the f**k it was but they said:

"You just lack the superstar touch"

Seems everyone thinks thats Moylan.

He will be elsewhere next year. Where to next?

If Moylan is gone we'll have to role the dice on luai most likely.

But we won't be winning a premiership anytime soon with Griffin as coach & two very young halves.

 

[Exsilium]

You just said

"May has played more good games than Moylan in 2 seasons"

Now you say

"I don't care for last year"

Umm...

No. youve taken it out of context. I said I do not care for the comparisons to Moylan and our form last year. Pointing our specifically that Moylan has also played a number of garbage games. Consider my comment on May as a tongue in cheek stab at Moylans handful of good games for us.

Get me?

 

[PenrithPanther45]

I think the perfect way to sum up our club is that we have potential. However, we have had potential for 2-3 years now.

 

[herbert henry1908]

He's a kid learning his trade. LOL
Judge him in three years if you want to truly break down his strengths and weaknesses. He isn't the finished article. He WILL be an organising half.

I think he's a superstar in the making, just not a true first receiver.

But his strength & weaknesses are
relevant now, we have a good squad, a squad that could go all the way with the right attack.

So we at least need the right guy next to him & that ain't May.

 

[Exsilium]

If Moylan is gone we'll have to role the dice on luai most likely.

But we won't be winning a premiership anytime soon with Griffin as coach & two very young halves.

You might be right. I watched Luai for a handful of games. It's always hard to tell if they will transition.

May is/was good but even now people want to shift him to other positions or make way for others.

 

[tripster]

Isn't Cartwright a defensive coach?

I haven't heard that. He does, however, have a pretty good resume as an assistant coach (including):

- assistant to John Lang when we won in 2003;
- assistant to Ricky Stuart at the Roosters (may have been in 2004 when they lost the GF (or the year afterwards)
- assistant to Paul Green at the Cowboys in 2015 when they won the GF

He also coached the Titans for 186 games (winning percentage 46%, which isn't bad considering the roster he had).

 

[herbert henry1908]

No. youve taken it out of context. I said I do not care for the comparisons to Moylan and our form last year. Pointing our specifically that Moylan has also played a number of garbage games. Consider my comment on May as a tongue in cheek stab at Moylans handful of good games for us.

Get me?

Handful of good games this year you mean?

Moylan hasn't had a good year, no doubt.

But consider this.

He moved positions 2/3 of the way through the year, tough gig.

He also only has 2 less try assists & 3 less tries than Cleary.

 

[chrisD]

He got put through a hole?

f**k that'll do me

I don't really know what the f**k you're trying to argue. He did very well to take the ball and finish it. That he wasn't put between two defenders at the line isn't arguable.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/09/15...-penrith-live-scores-results-video-highlights
Thiaday can only reach out an arm after turning from Cartwright and he's gone past Benji by the time Benji gets to him. I mean, what the f**k?

 

[herbert henry1908]

You might be right. I watched Luai for a handful of games. It's always hard to tell if they will transition.

May is/was good but even now people want to shift him to other positions or make way for others.

I want the most creative 5/8 in that role, because at least for now Cleary doesn't have enough in attack.

We desperately need a second kicker too. Something which luai is & may isn't.

Plus luai is a left footer, huge advantage.

May I think would be an awesome utility.

 

[Rowdy Panther]

I think he's a superstar in the making, just not a true first receiver.

But his strength & weaknesses are
relevant now, we have a good squad, a squad that could go all the way with the right attack.

So we at least need the right guy next to him & that ain't May.

You don't understand, he will be. He is encouraged to run. Same with Ashley Taylor. These two will be champions in there own era, just not yet because they are still in the development stage in their careers.

Moylan will take a load of if he stays.

 

[Exsilium]

Handful of good games this year you mean?

Moylan hasn't had a good year, no doubt.

But consider this.

He moved positions 2/3 of the way through the year, tough gig.

He also only has 2 less try assists & 3 less tries than Cleary.

At Fullback last year he played much the same role in attack.

This year he's certainly been lacking game time but I just can't see why we pin our future on the guy and act like he's the difference between winning and losing.

I honestly dont rate the guy very highly and I accept the criticisms.

 

[tripster]

No doubt there is more to the Moylan story that we aren't being told.

I can't help but suspect that Moylan copped another roasting from Griffin about not putting proper effort into his recovery (and not being the role model required as Captain), had a hissy fit and threatened to leave and that he was punished by being made to sit out the finals (and may or may have not agreed to stay).

This is going off topic from tonight's game, but the truth also is that we will encounter some real salary cap issues in a few years, and won't be able to keep all the talent we have now. That means people will have to go and the club will have to make very difficult choices about who we keep.

If we lost Moylan but that made the difference that allowed us to keep Cleary and Edwards (who are much younger and still have much more potential) I'd take that deal in a heart beat. Particularly given that Moylan is now 26.

I don't mean by that that I want Moylan to go (far from it), but it might reach a point where we have to make that choice.

 

[Rowdy Panther]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/a45d5656e5b504d1643a85be78bcdd4c

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Is John Cartwright coming official?

Because all I've seen is a tweet from a nameless Twitter account that is just as reliable as a seedy Kingscross alleyway drug dealer.

 

[OldPanther]

I haven't heard that. He does, however, have a pretty good resume as an assistant coach (including):

- assistant to John Lang when we won in 2003;
- assistant to Ricky Stuart at the Roosters (may have been in 2004 when they lost the GF (or the year afterwards)
- assistant to Paul Green at the Cowboys in 2015 when they won the GF

He also coached the Titans for 186 games (winning percentage 46%, which isn't bad considering the roster he had).

Hopefully he starts from the off season and has a positive impact.