Semi RaDrama

[Knight76]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the presumption of innocence seems to be a new thing for rugby league isn't it?

Generally players in the past who have been charged by the police for something have been stood down pending the investigation, and sometimes sacked prior to any conviction occurring.

At lease that's what my admittedly shoddy memory recalls. Semi should be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law which is where that ideal resides. Outside of that you can't tell me people aren't judged in the media and by ourselves prior to conviction, even after being found not guilty it is still mud that sticks.

My point is, Semi should be stood down by the Eels pending the investigation. You can't tell me if this was practically any other first grade player that this would not happen?

Scenario.

Semi is one of the top players in the world.
Semi leaves for Fiji and does not return as planned. News report he is thinking of switching codes and leaving Parra mid contract. A disaster considering Parra's year.
Semi returns late, but apparently willing to play but is arrested for DV.

Surprise surprise Parra don't stand him down and rock the boat further for Semi. He just might hop back on that plane and end up in France!

 

[Foreign Legion]

Anyway... I challenge semi to a fight dirty litlle scum bag lol

 

[Frailty]

Could you name a few?

Russell Packer is a convicted violent offender.

 

[Frailty]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the presumption of innocence seems to be a new thing for rugby league isn't it?

Generally players in the past who have been charged by the police for something have been stood down pending the investigation, and sometimes sacked prior to any conviction occurring.

At lease that's what my admittedly shoddy memory recalls. Semi should be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law which is where that ideal resides. Outside of that you can't tell me people aren't judged in the media and by ourselves prior to conviction, even after being found not guilty it is still mud that sticks.

My point is, Semi should be stood down by the Eels pending the investigation. You can't tell me if this was practically any other first grade player that this would not happen?

Scenario.

Semi is one of the top players in the world.
Semi leaves for Fiji and does not return as planned. News report he is thinking of switching codes and leaving Parra mid contract. A disaster considering Parra's year.
Semi returns late, but apparently willing to play but is arrested for DV.

Surprise surprise Parra don't stand him down and rock the boat further for Semi. He just might hop back on that plane and end up in France!

This.. Of course Semi has the presumption of innocence, but it is not the best thing for the game or for him to be playing the game. It's not a good look either way.

I would argue that the best action is that any player charged should be stood down WITH pay whilst the charges are dealt with. The club should continue to offer support and access to well being services to the player.

 

[T-Boon]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the presumption of innocence seems to be a new thing for rugby league isn't it?

Generally players in the past who have been charged by the police for something have been stood down pending the investigation, and sometimes sacked prior to any conviction occurring.

At lease that's what my admittedly shoddy memory recalls. Semi should be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law which is where that ideal resides. Outside of that you can't tell me people aren't judged in the media and by ourselves prior to conviction, even after being found not guilty it is still mud that sticks.

My point is, Semi should be stood down by the Eels pending the investigation. You can't tell me if this was practically any other first grade player that this would not happen?

Scenario.

Semi is one of the top players in the world.
Semi leaves for Fiji and does not return as planned. News report he is thinking of switching codes and leaving Parra mid contract. A disaster considering Parra's year.
Semi returns late, but apparently willing to play but is arrested for DV.

Surprise surprise Parra don't stand him down and rock the boat further for Semi. He just might hop back on that plane and end up in France!

From what I recall I think the NRL stood Brett Stewart down and when he was found to be innocent the NRL had to apologise because otherwise Stewart was going to sue them for making him appear guilty. The NRL media will do enough to prejudice Semi's right to a fair hearing without the NRL making it worse by "standing him down".

 

[Snappy]

Could you name a few?

Robert Lui, Kirisome Avuva

 

[T-Boon]

Russell Packer is a convicted violent offender.

was he in a domestic relationship with his victim?

 

[natheel]

Maybe she is scared of him.
With Reports of him pissing off to France might have been the best way to stop him coming back .
Who knows
Does it really matter when it happened?
We all cheer when criminals are tracked down and busted years later.
This should no different

I take it you have jumped on the "he did it" wagon

 

[T-Boon]

The NRL also fired Hasim El Masri before he was found innocent.

 

[betcats]

was he in a domestic relationship with his victim?

Robert Lui, Kirisome Auuva(played a GF after he pleaded guilty), Anthony Cherrington, have all had NRL contracts after being convicted of it. That's just off the top of my head, there are more. Zane tetavano was allowed to sign with Manly despite pleading guilty to those charges and having his contract torn up by Newcastle. Blake ferguson counts as well imo.

 

[T-Boon]

Robert Lui, Kirisome Auuva(played a GF after he pleaded guilty), Anthony Cherrington, have all had NRL contracts after being convicted of it. That's just off the top of my head, there are more. Zane tetavano was allowed to sign with Manly despite pleading guilty to those charges and having his contract torn up by Newcastle. Blake ferguson counts as well imo.

I just looked these up.
Blake Ferguson was found guilty with no conviction recorded because in the opinion of the judge he had suffered enough from his NRL suspension;
Once convicted Kirisome Auuva got a 2 year good behaviour bond a fine and then a 9 month suspension from the NRL;
Cherringtons stretches back to 2009 so I couldn't really find any details.
It sounds like Robert Lui offended in 2011 and got an NRL suspension.

 

[Snappy]

I just looked these up.
Blake Ferguson was found guilty with no conviction recorded because in the opinion of the judge he had suffered enough from his NRL suspension;
Once convicted Kirisome Auuva got a 2 year good behaviour bond a fine and then a 9 month suspension from the NRL;
Cherringtons stretches back to 2009 so I couldn't really find any details.
It sounds like Robert Lui offended in 2011 and got an NRL suspension.

and to hammer down the point..... all of these players were then allowed to return to the NRL

 

[betcats]

I just looked these up.
Blake Ferguson was found guilty with no conviction recorded because in the opinion of the judge he had suffered enough from his NRL suspension;
Once convicted Kirisome Auuva got a 2 year good behaviour bond a fine and then a 9 month suspension from the NRL;
Cherringtons stretches back to 2009 so I couldn't really find any details.
It sounds like Robert Lui offended in 2011 and got an NRL suspension.

Yep they are all found guilty of assaulting women and allowed to play in the nrl.

f**king Robert Lui was charged with assaulting his partner after mad Monday 2010 only for the charges to be dropped and then after mad Monday 2011 he was charged with assaulting the same girlfriend, this time he pleaded guilty, he was suspended but not deregistered or anything. At the very least if you are convicted of an assault you should have your contract torn the f**k up, not the case in the NRL though, twice recently people convicted of domestic assaults were allowed to remain contracted its f**king terrible imo.

 

[carcharias]

Correct, I missed the men congratulating her. I told you, I read it in an online news article. The Footy Show is on at 11pm in NZ (where I live), I have kids and barely watch any sport/TV past the news at 6.30 during the week if at all. I read the news before they wake up in the morning, and post at lunchtime or any other time I get a minute (ie now when they're away with their Mum). Hence I can really only comment on the article I read, and anything in the NZ TV media which is bugger all. I post a lot, that is true. I can't see the relevance, however.

All I'm saying is that what she said was prejudicial. Others agree with me. You don't. That's a forum, right? I'm all for you holding your opinion or it'd get boring around here. There are so many good times to voice an anti-domestic violence message...one of them is not whilst a man, who is entitled to presumption of innocence, is being discussed ad nauseum through the media in forums etc. It links him too strongly to a sense of guilt. Let him have his day in court, or wherever it gets to, then we can hammer home the message. That's a fair system. I don't dislike Molan. It's nothing like that.

I suggest you watch it then
Just google it
Simple
Obviously what you read clouded you're judgement
She was talking about all players not just him.
It's big news at present here
It's a footy show
The subject came up
She is one of the hosts
She had every right to comment on how piss weak the NRL have been in the past I relation to domestic violence .
By reading it only the sentiment was clearly lost on you.

 

[T-Boon]

and to hammer down the point..... all of these players were then allowed to return to the NRL

I'll go have a closer look at Lui's matters as I don't remember him. Sounds like he should be cut.

 

[El Diablo]

I just looked these up.
Blake Ferguson was found guilty with no conviction recorded because in the opinion of the judge he had suffered enough from his NRL suspension;
Once convicted Kirisome Auuva got a 2 year good behaviour bond a fine and then a 9 month suspension from the NRL;
Cherringtons stretches back to 2009 so I couldn't really find any details.
It sounds like Robert Lui offended in 2011 and got an NRL suspension.

Isaac Gordon

 

[betcats]

I'll go have a closer look at Lui's matters as I don't remember him. Sounds like he should be cut.

Mate in the case of Lui and Auva'a pleading guilty and being convicted of domestivc violence didn't even result in them losing their contracts. They both got suspensions but neither was deregistered or had their contracts torn up, its very poor imo. Auva'a even tried to get his suspension lifted early.

 

[Perth Red]

which would be fine if the NRl wasn't being hypocritical in its public abhorrence and stance on DV. They are just looking like idiots denouncing it on one hand and condoning it on the other. I am sure they will talk about rehab and second chances and better for society they support the player blah blah blah but that isn't how the public perceive it.

 

[T-Boon]

I suggest you watch it then
Just google it
Simple
Obviously what you read clouded you're judgement
She was talking about all players not just him.
It's big news at present here
It's a footy show
The subject came up
She is one of the hosts
She had every right to comment on how piss weak the NRL have been in the past I relation to domestic violence .
By reading it only the sentiment was clearly lost on you.

The Court and the NRL has gotten it right on all occasions. The minor offences have led to appropriate suspensions, the serious offences have been dealt with more seriously. Thankfully it doesn't come up very often.
We've got to be balanced about these things and look at each offence on its own merits. Most people deserve a second chance. We need to be more aware of the mental health issues some of these boys suffer from particularly if/when they come from vastly different backgrounds and cultures.
Erin's comments were ignorant and ill conceived. She needs to think more about what she says and how it can impact on other people.

 

[no name]

The Court and the NRL has gotten it right on all occasions. The minor offences have led to appropriate suspensions, the serious offences have been dealt with more seriously. Thankfully it doesn't come up very often.
We've got to be balanced about these things and look at each offence on its own merits. Most people deserve a second chance. We need to be more aware of the mental health issues some of these boys suffer from particularly if/when they come from vastly different backgrounds and cultures.
Erin's comments were ignorant and ill conceived. She needs to think more about what she says and how it can impact on other people.

Hitting a woman = remember they might have a mental health issue, come from tough background.

Talk about stamping out DV = ignorant, think of the impact on others.

You're having a lend of us.