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Sharks cap superthread - latest: NRL clears Flanagan to assistant coach from 2020

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Sorry it was a different time, the NRL administration in 2010 were trying to bring down a team and they chose the Melbourne Storm, we copped the full brunt so News Corp could have their stories.

Today, although News Corp have attacked the Sharks with much vigor, the NRL are so shell shocked from all the previous salary cap rorting, they are trying to do anything to sweep it all under the carpet and would never, ever strip another premiership no matter what happened.

The common denominator is News Corp. They are the enemies.
 
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Sorry it was a different time, the NRL administration in 2010 were trying to bring down a team and they chose the Melbourne Storm, we copped the full brunt so News Corp could have their stories.

Today, although News Corp have attacked the Sharks with much vigor, the NRL are so shell shocked from all the previous salary cap rorting, they are trying to do anything to sweep it all under the carpet and would never, ever strip another premiership no matter what happened.

The common denominator is News Corp. They are the enemies.
Who were the major owners of the Storm at the time of their unprecedented, deliberate and scummy cheating?
 

Frailty

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Sorry it was a different time, the NRL administration in 2010 were trying to bring down a team and they chose the Melbourne Storm, we copped the full brunt so News Corp could have their stories.

Today, although News Corp have attacked the Sharks with much vigor, the NRL are so shell shocked from all the previous salary cap rorting, they are trying to do anything to sweep it all under the carpet and would never, ever strip another premiership no matter what happened.

The common denominator is News Corp. They are the enemies.

So why would News Corp bring down their own team? When the Storm salary cap drama unfolded they were still the owners of the team? There is no rational logic behind that claim.
 
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Without going into the tribalism of club debate; we all agree they need to have a more transparent system of salary cap identification. Not only so we can have trust in the game but to help individual players. How many contracts get signed by players only to find out a club is over the cap or near the cap and therefore they cant pay or get new players.

A transparent system would be fairer to everyone.
 
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So why would News Corp bring down their own team? When the Storm salary cap drama unfolded they were still the owners of the team? There is no rational logic behind that claim.

As I explained earlier, Melbourne Storm were never News Corps team. They didn't give a toss about us. They just were left fitting the bill for the only expansion team outside the heartland post the Rugby League wars.

News Corp wanted to get rid of us as quickly as they could but at that stage there were no buyers.

But as news to make people access media. they were more than happy to make sure we were in the sights of the NRL who at that time were looking for a "big scalp" to try and deter other teams from salary cap breaches (which of course didn't work). So they whacked us with a big stick!
 

MilkShark

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Post of the year.

Or each player has a number of predetermined points and no matter what they are paid, they go against a total points system for each individual club.

Either way; the NRL need something that is more transparent.

Who determines how many points a player is worth?
 

PJ

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Post of the year.

Or each player has a number of predetermined points and no matter what they are paid, they go against a total points system for each individual club.

Either way; the NRL need something that is more transparent.

Yep, I've suggested the same thing when we talk about this stuff.

Players are graded so a 100 game player is at x, a state rep y, Australia rep z etc.

Discounts for local junior and long serving.

Won't bring it in as the common teams everyone strongly suggest rorting won't like it and they have too much influence.
 

Frailty

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As I explained earlier, Melbourne Storm were never News Corps team. They didn't give a toss about us. They just were left fitting the bill for the only expansion team outside the heartland post the Rugby League wars.

News Corp wanted to get rid of us as quickly as they could but at that stage there were no buyers.

But as news to make people access media. they were more than happy to make sure we were in the sights of the NRL who at that time were looking for a "big scalp" to try and deter other teams from salary cap breaches (which of course didn't work). So they whacked us with a big stick!

You know that makes absolutely zero business sense. If News were looking to offload the football team from their organisation that was bleeding money, they would not decrease the value even more so to make it easier to sell - it would do the opposite. You would go from a team that is losing money but had a decent value, to a team with no value and losing even more money.

Following on from that, the team was eventually sold in 2013, well and truly after the Storm had rebuilt from the Salary Cap scandal and had won the 2012 premiership. Meaning the value had gone back up (perhaps not to where it was, but enough that the previous moves would make little sense).

Furthermore, given that the team was apparently draining money, there would be no benefit to their news arm to increase coverage about the scandal. They already dominated the Sydney market, and the Melbourne market did not care enough to read about a team that they weren't seemingly interested in.

Now, if you said the NRL were just looking for a 'big scalp' from the get go, I may be able to follow along. But I will guarantee it was not a News Ltd. decision.

The fact is these two instances are nothing a like, yet News Ltd are trying to compare them. Why? You need to look at the history of Rothfield's interaction with the Cronulla Sharks.
 

Generalzod

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Post of the year.

Or each player has a number of predetermined points and no matter what they are paid, they go against a total points system for each individual club.

Either way; the NRL need something that is more transparent.
Which club hasn't had trouble with third party payments? Is it a form of cheating I don't know. Working out the 3rd party players formula will be like working out the theory of relativity.
 

PJ

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Can't the Sharks try the Brisbane excuse?

Brisbane just had Gee quit.

The management from the Sharks at the time has all left.

Or are the Sharks disadvantaged for coming clean?
 

MilkShark

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Players are graded so a 100 game player is at x, a state rep y, Australia rep z etc.

So what happens if you a player is worth 80 because has hasn't played rep footy and then is picked for NSW so he turns into a 100. Wouldn't this put the team over the point cap?
 
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At the beginning of a players contract with each Club, a set of independent arbitrators with significant knowledge of the game make a decision on how many points an individual player is worth based on the likely money paid and potential of that player.

The number of points a player gets is for the life of his contract (2, 3 or 4 years) so no matter how his form goes, he keeps that point score for the life of his contract, until he signs another one at which time his points score to the salary cap are re-looked at.

So a young player may sign a 3 year deal and be worth 4 points each year but his form might significantly improve over the life of the deal so the Club has got a bargain.

On the other hand, a Club might sign a perceived very good player for 3 years and be worth 7 points but that player doesn't fit in at the Club or his form deteriorates and therefore the Club has a dud.

Each year and with every new contract, these independent arbitrators make a decision on a contract by contract basis.

And when a Club gets up to a number of points; lets say 120 points for this example, it can't trade or buy any more players.

So every Club gets a total of 120 points and every player is evaluated every time the player signs a new contract.

So Munster might be a 4 point player on his current contract but when he signs his new contract, he is a 10 point player for the life of that contract.
 
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Frailty

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Yep, I've suggested the same thing when we talk about this stuff.

Players are graded so a 100 game player is at x, a state rep y, Australia rep z etc.

Discounts for local junior and long serving.

Won't bring it in as the common teams everyone strongly suggest rorting won't like it and they have too much influence.

Are these for the length of the contracts that are signed?

If not, how do we go about the legal ramifications of terminating a legally binding contract because a players value has increase when he becomes a rep player.

If so, what is preventing the clubs from simply signing 10 year playing contracts knowing that if the players become representative players they will not impact the cap moving forward.
 

MilkShark

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Can't the Sharks try the Brisbane excuse?

Brisbane just had Gee quit.

The management from the Sharks at the time has all left.

Or are the Sharks disadvantaged for coming clean?
Didn't Gee disappear never to be seen again?
 

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