Some people need to stop whinging and get over themselves

[The Phelan Folly]

I think that the general malcontent here has been magnified by the fact that in just about every pundits view, we were going to be the team to push Melbourne this year.
Yes, we all got excited - "This is our year", and such, and to have performed so poorly thus far really does sting.
The good news is that we are not that far away. In fact in as little as three or for weeks, we could be top of the table, all it would take is to put some wins together and have a few results go our way.
The bad news is that for us to put three wins together would take a remarkable turnaround, one that given the current level of performance, is not going to happen. Still, we've had similar starts the past three seasons, and managed to come good going into the sharp end. It still might happen, then again, it might not. Who knows?? For those who find it too difficult to deal with, there is always medication, alcohol or recreational drugs to dull the pain of reality....

 

[HevyDevy]

Exactly 22yrs and f**k all in the trophy cabinet, as I have stated before people are satisfied with mediocrity and others like myself would actually like to win a comp in my life time.

Are you forgetting our unforgettable World Sevens win?

:sarcasm:

 

[Fathead]

Well I'd have to agree that in general many parra fans are whingers, and particularly negative bunch. I am sure parra have been booed at halftime by their own fans more regularly than any other team in the comp over the last 10 years.

I cringe everytime people carry on about Kris Keating, the guys has shown a couple of good things in top grade and a bit of poor stuff, quite similar to lower grades. He may come good, but people saying its crazy that he's not in top grade is ridiculous, he has shown no form to warrant that. He has some zip, so does Jamie Soward and soward was a better junior that KK.

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Ant, Thanks for taking the time to write this post.
First your impressions about Parra fans would have to be one of the biggest generalisations that I have heard for a while. All fans boo their team for bad performances. Its a fact of life. Parra fans dont do it more than others.

As for KK. I dont know you nor do I pretend to know how much football you have seen over the last 10 - 20 - 30 years. I do know that Soward was a tremendous junior and he has kicked on. KK was/is a tremendous junior as well and better judges than me have been telling me that KK was one of the best junior we had for years.
The difference between the two is this - Soward was given an extended opportunity at the Roosters to show his wares. He played some good games, had some set backs but now is playing well.
He was dropped at the Roosters due to the fact that they had an experienced halfback to take his place.
KK has not been given an extended run. A lock is playing in the 5/8 role.
Note the difference ?

To say that KK has shown no form to warrant a call up instead of Mateo shows that you either dont watch the lower grades, have limited understanding of football or was asleep during those first grade games that KK played in. ( and remember he did play at hooker for a few of thise games )

We are all entitled to our point of view but any inference that because we disagee with coaching decisions and directions somehow labels us as a whinging lot realy makes my blood boil. Our very existance on this forum shows that we are loyal to the enth degree.
Disagee all you like, that is your right but expect others to come back at you and the author of this thread just as hard.

 

[Fathead]

DOUBLE POST

 

[Eelementary]

Actually I believe the concern is that we're going crap this year and will have a far weaker squad in 2009 ...

Bingo. Some of you whingers about whingers are failing to see the big picture here...In 2009, we'll have no Robinson, no Tim Smith, no Tony Williams and no Johnny Mannah. Pretty much the two perfect blokes to step up and replace Robbo and co, and they're gone.

And to be honest, with the way Hagan is treating Kris Keating, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go either.

But no - the club is doing brilliantly and heading the right way. Fo shizzle.

 

[Eelementary]

Well I'd have to agree that in general many parra fans are whingers, and particularly negative bunch. I am sure parra have been booed at halftime by their own fans more regularly than any other team in the comp over the last 10 years.
I don't know if its because any parra fan around the age of 30 - 40 probably grew up with the notion that parra win all the time after the good form of the late 70s and title winning teams of the 80s.

You need a lot of luck and a bit of good management to win a comp. I love the insinuation that clubs let good players leave, thats a load of rubbish. Good players and promising up and coming leave for all sorts of reasons and its rarely because clubs want to get rid of them.

Its funny that people are blowing up about Williams and saying the club is mismanaged. This is the same club that has managed to resign Hayne and Inu who along with probably Inglis and Folau are the most talented young backs in the game. What you didn't think there would be some ramifications to that. Add Ben Smith to that group.

We have lost a young player with great potential, but too a club who was willing to pay him the wage of an established first grader. Clubs take punts on young players from time to time, sometimes they get it right, sometimes not. But people whinge and whine about parra's losses, well here are the players playing first grade this weekend who once played for us.

Jamie Lyon, David Williams, Chris Armit, Ben Farrar, John Williams
Zeb Taia, Mitchell Sargent, Ian Henderson, Dean Widders, David Kidwell
Luke O'Dwyer, Brett Delaney, Aaron Cannings, Michael Hodgson
Brett Hodgson, Ashley Graham, PJ Marsh, Andrew Ryan.

Maybe 4 guys on that list I'd love to have back, well 3 because of Jamie's poor behaviour (Hodgson, Marsh and Ryan), perhaps Kidwell, the rest take them or leave them.

I just feel many parra fans seem to lose all concept of reality when they discuss issues. You cannot keep every player, its impossible. It is a massive call to sign a junior star to first grade wages, because a majority of them don't aim up. I mean the armit and witt brothers should have taught us something, but people are slow learners. There was furore that chris armit, steve and michael witt should have game time earlier when they were juniors. There was furore when Chris left and even worse took his younger brother Nathan. The Witt brothers people went on and on about them being saviours and they must play first grade. Bagged Brian Smith endlessly.
So who was wrong the club for not paying over the odds or the fans.

Our fans want us to keep every one of our players (bar the current scapegoats) oh and sign every decent free agent, sorry but that is how it comes across. And then they get angry when another fan with some understanding of reality points out this is not possible.

Its funny in this whole outpouring of emotion over tony williams, that it is the resigning of eels home grown talent that stops us from signing williams and others. The likes of Cayless, Hindy, Hayne, Inu, B.Smith, Burt, Grothe, Mateo have been retained recently or over the years and this means others can't be. Why are they retained well because they have proven ability.

I don't like Fitzgerald, but apparently the club is being run terribly coaches everyone.
We sit 11th , 2 points outside the 8 and 4 off the lead, despite not playing that well. We finished top 4 last year and in reality were the 2nd best team.

The simple fact also is juniors occasionaly step up and even less often become stars. Paying huge money for a guy who has never played first grade is crazy, but great if it comes good. I cringe everytime people carry on about Kris Keating, the guys has shown a couple of good things in top grade and a bit of poor stuff, quite similar to lower grades. He may come good, but people saying its crazy that he's not in top grade is ridiculous, he has shown no form to warrant that. He has some zip, so does Jamie Soward and soward was a better junior that KK.

Reality check please people, I don't accuse anyone of not having heart or being a passionless fan, because we all care about the club. But please think carefully before you run your mouth, who would you prefer Hayne and Inu or williams, oh sorry thats right you want them all. My 2 year old daughter wants the whole bag of chips and my 10 year old wants to watch TV all day neither is reality either.

KK represented Australia and has mostly played out of position at hooker, and still has played better than some of his more experienced counterparts.

 

[TheRam]

It's called cause and effect... The effect is telling people to settle down and stop complaining about everything AFTER 12 ROUNDS.

I am glad that you are some what familiar with this concept. Now you just need to think it through a little clearer. The management of our club has been woeful for many years, and now our on field performances are starting to match, with only mounting evidence of mismanagement for us to go by.

Thus the cause - bad management, ugly performances and clueless retention priorities = One hell of a...

F**king Whinge!!!

 

[eel01s]

The people on this board who actually believe fitzy is doing a good job open your eyes and see the big picture, every single facet of this great club is failing, hell even his pride and joy leagues club is continuly running at a loss, he blames pokie machines for the clubs demise, hasn't he got anyother ideas to generate revenue? i thought succesful businessman are shrewd, strategic, communicators, leaders, can anybody possibly look me in the eye or whatever and tell me fitzy is any of these? can anybody honestly point something positive for this club which will ensure Parramattas longevity and sustainability? no!!!!!!! he cannot even organize players and himself to attend funnerals honouring the great Jck Gibson who transformed this club, he could not even organize players to attend to the need of its supporters at the f**king NRL fan day, this is laughble, a joke, an embarrasement.

I'm absolutely stunned that fitzy even has supporters.

Anyway

The only thing that keeps Parra going, and that has kept Fitzy and co. in their jobs, is the Parramatta junior base. Can you imagine if we had no juniors like the Roosters? We would have gone under years ago.

 

[byrne_rovelli_fan82]

Sure we have made a fair share of bad decisions and are playing fairly poorly, but people need to realise that not every club can be at the top all the time. Why is everyone getting so upset over one player get signed to Manly, when we have done miraculously well to keep both Hayne and Inu. We have our fair share of marquee players, they just aren't performing/are injured at the moment. You think those two plus players like Nathan Hindmarsh, Eric Grothe, Brett Finch (Still a decent player, even though he is slowly finding form) are easily retained when other clubs would gladly have their signatures?

Look at the positives.

SERIOUSLY.

WE HAVE BOTH HAYNE AND INU. We have probably the most talented backline in the NRL. When they start performing, you will forget that any of this has even happened.

Get over this loss, honestly. You can't have everything.

Nice post, I wish that theory could be applied to dimwitted Warriors fans sometimes!

 

[TheRam]

Swiftstylez Although they choked, it isn't a bad result AGAINST THE PREMIERS.

They didn't choke in that game. They played as well as they were allowed and could.


I'd like to know what some of you are going to do if :

A) We make the Grand Final this year with the team the way it is now, and the coach being the same, the ceo being the same etc all.


You are kidding right? If not, boy are you a lost little lamb, who'll be doing a lot of bleating come September.



B) We make the semi finals with the same team but lose, will you be calling for Hagan's head still?


Yes considering that we were tipped by many as the only team to be able to beat the Storm at the start of the year. Anything but a lap of honor is deemed as a failed season by many supporter at this point.


C) We make the changes and play worse than we originally did (It is possible)


Of cause it is, but with the playing roster and depth in our lower grades, a elite coach would make it work. I can not see a Bennett or Bellamy, failing with our current players. ;-)

 

[TheRam]

Well I'd have to agree that in general many parra fans are whingers, and particularly negative bunch. I am sure parra have been booed at halftime by their own fans more regularly than any other team in the comp over the last 10 years.
I don't know if its because any parra fan around the age of 30 - 40 probably grew up with the notion that parra win all the time after the good form of the late 70s and title winning teams of the 80s.

You need a lot of luck and a bit of good management to win a comp. I love the insinuation that clubs let good players leave, thats a load of rubbish. Good players and promising up and coming leave for all sorts of reasons and its rarely because clubs want to get rid of them.

Its funny that people are blowing up about Williams and saying the club is mismanaged. This is the same club that has managed to resign Hayne and Inu who along with probably Inglis and Folau are the most talented young backs in the game. What you didn't think there would be some ramifications to that. Add Ben Smith to that group.

We have lost a young player with great potential, but too a club who was willing to pay him the wage of an established first grader. Clubs take punts on young players from time to time, sometimes they get it right, sometimes not. But people whinge and whine about parra's losses, well here are the players playing first grade this weekend who once played for us.

Jamie Lyon, David Williams, Chris Armit, Ben Farrar, John Williams
Zeb Taia, Mitchell Sargent, Ian Henderson, Dean Widders, David Kidwell
Luke O'Dwyer, Brett Delaney, Aaron Cannings, Michael Hodgson
Brett Hodgson, Ashley Graham, PJ Marsh, Andrew Ryan.

Maybe 4 guys on that list I'd love to have back, well 3 because of Jamie's poor behaviour (Hodgson, Marsh and Ryan), perhaps Kidwell, the rest take them or leave them.

I just feel many parra fans seem to lose all concept of reality when they discuss issues. You cannot keep every player, its impossible. It is a massive call to sign a junior star to first grade wages, because a majority of them don't aim up. I mean the armit and witt brothers should have taught us something, but people are slow learners. There was furore that chris armit, steve and michael witt should have game time earlier when they were juniors. There was furore when Chris left and even worse took his younger brother Nathan. The Witt brothers people went on and on about them being saviours and they must play first grade. Bagged Brian Smith endlessly.
So who was wrong the club for not paying over the odds or the fans.

Our fans want us to keep every one of our players (bar the current scapegoats) oh and sign every decent free agent, sorry but that is how it comes across. And then they get angry when another fan with some understanding of reality points out this is not possible.

Its funny in this whole outpouring of emotion over tony williams, that it is the resigning of eels home grown talent that stops us from signing williams and others. The likes of Cayless, Hindy, Hayne, Inu, B.Smith, Burt, Grothe, Mateo have been retained recently or over the years and this means others can't be. Why are they retained well because they have proven ability.

I don't like Fitzgerald, but apparently the club is being run terribly coaches everyone.
We sit 11th , 2 points outside the 8 and 4 off the lead, despite not playing that well. We finished top 4 last year and in reality were the 2nd best team.

The simple fact also is juniors occasionaly step up and even less often become stars. Paying huge money for a guy who has never played first grade is crazy, but great if it comes good. I cringe everytime people carry on about Kris Keating, the guys has shown a couple of good things in top grade and a bit of poor stuff, quite similar to lower grades. He may come good, but people saying its crazy that he's not in top grade is ridiculous, he has shown no form to warrant that. He has some zip, so does Jamie Soward and soward was a better junior that KK.

Reality check please people, I don't accuse anyone of not having heart or being a passionless fan, because we all care about the club. But please think carefully before you run your mouth, who would you prefer Hayne and Inu or williams, oh sorry thats right you want them all. My 2 year old daughter wants the whole bag of chips and my 10 year old wants to watch TV all day neither is reality either.

What a load of dribble, and you wrote so much. I feel sad for you.

 

[TheRam]

if our side was playing well, coached well, management addressing issues eg player recruiment and retention we wouldn't be having this whinge would we?

I'm sick of fence sitters, we need more people making noise, other wise management will believe they're doing well.

The funny thing out of all of this is that the vast vast majority of supporters can identify who good players are and who aren't, the coaches and management are oblivious.

Our club is a shambles a disgrace, we're second best organization have you noticed? while other teams recruit Bennetts etc we get the seconds like Hagan, when clubs like Canterbury sign Hannant, Newcastle buy Cross we get the likes of re-signing finch to 3 year deals or signing Todd Lowries, everything we do reeks of second best, hell even now it has been found that Hayne and Inu didn't stay for less. The management of this club are terrible negotiators, we have one of the worst sponserhip deals in the NRL, fitzy goes for the first offer to come his way, he lacks confidences, his lack of confidence has produced a generation of mediocrity, he re-signs average players to good contracts and above average players like Cayless to superstar contracts, people can deny this but it's fact, fitzy is a genuine looser with no confidence in the club.

Clubs like Canterbury, Roosters have no problems attracting marquee players, they're arrogant, that attitude has made the clubs winners, we're just a club that scraps off the left overs, and nothing will change untill we bring in a succesful business minded idenity who breeds arrogance, a wining culture and has better interpersonal relations, fitzy has been shown to serious lack in every facet of what constitutes a succesful manager/leader, how can a club seriously function if fundamental aspects like communicating with former greats/winners isn't occuring.

The people on this board who actually believe fitzy is doing a good job open your eyes and see the big picture, every single facet of this great club is failing, hell even his pride and joy leagues club is continuly running at a loss, he blames pokie machines for the clubs demise, hasn't he got anyother ideas to generate revenue? i thought succesful businessman are shrewd, strategic, communicators, leaders, can anybody possibly look me in the eye or whatever and tell me fitzy is any of these? can anybody honestly point something positive for this club which will ensure Parramattas longevity and sustainability? no!!!!!!! he cannot even organize players and himself to attend funnerals honouring the great Jck Gibson who transformed this club, he could not even organize players to attend to the need of its supporters at the f**king NRL fan day, this is laughble, a joke, an embarrasement.

I'm absolutely stunned that fitzy even has supporters.

Anyway

What a brilliant post. One of the best I have read in a long, long time. The only thing I would like to add is that DF is an arrogant LOSER, who fears others who have genuine talent and or brilliance. Thus why the majority he has surrounded himself with are average yes men, who are in keeping of his own lake luster performances.

 

[Eels Dude]

Don't judge the "Parramatta fans" mate we are all entitled to our opinions, I have followed them for 36 years I and many others have earnt the right to say what we please.

You're right. And i've the right to my my opinion too. And if I disagree with what other people think, I'll say so, that's what forums are for aren't they? If I think someone's a whinger I'll call them a whinger. Same as if you think Todd Lowrie is s**t it's your right to say he's s**t.

 

[Eels Dude]

I agree with a lot of what you say Ant. The fact is none of you guys would be complaining if Parra were firing this year. Everyone would be like "We don't need Tony, we've got Inu, Hayne, Smith". Williams is probably the only great youngster we've lost in 3 to 4 years. Every other club would be in the same boat given the headhunting these days. I'm disappointed we've lost him. The club should have had him signed up for a longer incentive based deal but he may not have wanted that. It it's not the end of the world.

Nobody complained when we signed players other clubs brought through the grades and wanted to keep, like Tahu, Hodgson etc. League's a business and poaching players is something Manly have made a habit of. What goes around comes around unfortunately.

 

[HevyDevy]

Erm, well, of course we wouldn't be complaining if we were sitting on top of the table.

However - and surely this is as clear as day - we're NOT on top of the table. We're nowhere near. Worst of all, the club is pinning its hopes on this season. Now, if we're this crap in 2008, what happens in 2009 when half the roster is gone?

It's lovely to crap on about our juniors (although half of them have now left) but you can't just throw six kids in and expect to win games. All that does is destroy confidence. It's a losing battle.

f**k it, it's 2.20pm but I'm opening my tequila ...

 

[Eels Dude]

Erm, well, of course we wouldn't be complaining if we were sitting on top of the table.

However - and surely this is as clear as day - we're NOT on top of the table. We're nowhere near. Worst of all, the club is pinning its hopes on this season. Now, if we're this crap in 2008, what happens in 2009 when half the roster is gone?

It's lovely to crap on about our juniors (although half of them have now left) but you can't just throw six kids in and expect to win games. All that does is destroy confidence. It's a losing battle.

f**k it, it's 2.20pm but I'm opening my tequila ...

Robinson and Riddell are going, and that Wagon bloke who nobody wants anyway. That's 3 gone of our best 17. Much better than then 7 or 8 who'd be shown the door every year after the Brian Smith annual cleanout. Salary cap these days means the structure of the top 25 is different. The club has probably got to choose their most important 8 -10 players, then do the best they can for the remaining positions.

 

[HevyDevy]

Tim Smith too. Lots of salary cap space between those blokes.

Next year our squad lacks experience and depth. We have done nothing to bolster the glaring weaknesses in our squad.

 

[Eels Dude]

Tim Smith too. Lots of salary cap space between those blokes.

Not really. Inu and Hayne's new contracts would be starting next year on rep level money. While others like KK and Mateo would probably be recieving backloaded contracts contracts also.

Overall, with the exception of Melbourne, I don't any club has a squad better than ours. It's just a matter of getting the best out of them. Coach away Hagan.

 

[HevyDevy]

Nope, Hayne and Inu had re-signed before Smith walked away so they were already budgeted in. Even if we factor in Finch to replace Smith, there is still Riddell, Wagon and Robinson gone. Riddell was another that they had budgeted in for 2009.

So tell me, why the lack of activity in the market? What the f**k is this group of players supposed to do in 2009 when they're mor experienced squad can't do jack sh*t this year?

 

[Eels Dude]

Nope, Hayne and Inu had re-signed before Smith walked away so they were already budgeted in. Even if we factor in Finch to replace Smith, there is still Riddell, Wagon and Robinson gone. Riddell was another that they had budgeted in for 2009.

So tell me, why the lack of activity in the market? What the f**k is this group of players supposed to do in 2009 when they're mor experienced squad can't do jack sh*t this year?

Hayne and Inu were budgeted in for next yr and on more money then they would be earning now. So they'll be taking up more cap space. Wagon and Robinson weren't contracted for next season so that's irrelevant. Finch is replacing Smith pretty much. So I'd say we've got Riddell's cash free and that's about it. Should be in the market for a first grader hopefully, unless they try and sign up several of the young guys for several yr deals.