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Soundwave 2016

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There are plenty of great gigs in every city every week.

I wish more people would rediscover their local music scene.

You can see unknown musicians and front people that rival the greats for under 15 bucks.


I go to gigs not only for the bands that I like but also the atmosphere and the huge buzz I get from being in an epic mosh pit. You can't compare the local scene to a 60 foot long wall of death. I see your point though.

I agree with twiz, regardless of lineups, Soundwave is/was the best thing metal fans have ever had in this country. I have loved all 4 I have been too.

Maybe one day some new promoter will fill the void that Soundwave has left, I doubt we will see anything for a while.
 

elyod138

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Life Is Noise > AJ

Life Is Noise will never do a festival (If they did it would be something small like Doomsday, which is usually great) but these guys consistently bring great metal and alt rock bands to Australia.

http://lifeisnoise.com/about/past-tours/

I much prefer the atmosphere of a packed out gig in a small venue like Crowbar than at a festival.

The festival atmosphere is the worst part IMO, full of people who never go to gigs and don't know how to look after their fellow man.

Nothing can beat the atmosphere of being in a small venue with everyone lost in the moment.

This is what I'm talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ia-QXJ0Iw0

My mates and I were front row arms linked headbanging as one entity, every person in the venue had their face melted off.
 
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adamkungl

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that said SW is still the best concert in Australia imo, we have concerts almost monthly now and they are all lightweight middle of the road pop bands

might have to go to SW16 as we may not see anything like this ever again

Bs. The bands that tour throughout the year are far better than anything AJ's come up with for Soundwave in the last 2-3 years. Some of those have been booked by Soundwave Touring, too.

There's clearly a market for an alternative-heavy music festival, and I reckon someone will give it a shot, hopefully without the ego and shithouse attitude.

There isn't a market for half a festival at a premium price which is what 2016s lineup looks like.
 

beave

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Too many bands on the bill each year means short set times, a higher churn of bands (seeing the same bands every 2/3rd year), a lot more stages (ups the cost), and too many clashes. Also having 70odd bands means a massive amount of cost in band fees and travel/accomodation/food/piss)These are the problems IMO that has turned a lot of people off SW and why he isn't making enough coin off it.

4 stages-
main
Alternate/emo/teen shit
Punk
Metal

Have 6-7 bands per stage, allowing each 1.5hours to play and the headliner 2-2.5hours at the end. He would have been able to drip feed us the bands slowly over a few years, keep his costs down and avoid a barrage of clashes every year. I get why he tried the 2 day thing this year, props to him for giving it a crack but it failed imo as everyone was wrecked by midway day 2. Shame if this folds, i can't make next years due to work commitments but I wouldn't have gone unless there were a few more decent bands added to the bill. Disturbed is one of my most hated bands of all time, considering them to be a headliner when he's had metallica, iron maiden, slipknot in the past is a f**king insult imo to the people that support the fesitval.
 

natheel

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AJ is a f**kwitt. Plain and simple. Not paying bands (NOFX manager has tweeted they're doubtful they will be paid) I think SW 16 won't happen. Apparently Slipknot are still owed money that AJ refuses to pay for some reason. The guy has an ego and people bitching about lineups is part and parcel of festivals. Get over it
 

LESStar58

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You can see unknown musicians and front people that rival the greats for under 15 bucks.

That was what I loved about Nashville. I was totally blown away at just how good a musicians some of these folks were! And the thing of it is that they are not paid to play by the venue. There is no cover charge. They have to play ridiculously long sets (artists at Roberts do 4 hour sets) and rely on tips so they have to be extremely good at what they do.
 

adamkungl

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Too many bands on the bill each year means short set times, a higher churn of bands (seeing the same bands every 2/3rd year), a lot more stages (ups the cost), and too many clashes. Also having 70odd bands means a massive amount of cost in band fees and travel/accomodation/food/piss)These are the problems IMO that has turned a lot of people off SW and why he isn't making enough coin off it.

4 stages-
main
Alternate/emo/teen shit
Punk
Metal

Have 6-7 bands per stage, allowing each 1.5hours to play and the headliner 2-2.5hours at the end. He would have been able to drip feed us the bands slowly over a few years, keep his costs down and avoid a barrage of clashes every year. I get why he tried the 2 day thing this year, props to him for giving it a crack but it failed imo as everyone was wrecked by midway day 2. Shame if this folds, i can't make next years due to work commitments but I wouldn't have gone unless there were a few more decent bands added to the bill. Disturbed is one of my most hated bands of all time, considering them to be a headliner when he's had metallica, iron maiden, slipknot in the past is a f**king insult imo to the people that support the fesitval.

Some points

- 40-60 min sets is a good time except for the top 2 slots imo. 30 mins too short for anything, 90 mins too long for a festival. This kind of arena you want decent quantity.

- Same bands every 2 yrs = AJs fault. He had a pretty limited taste and within that half of them wont deal with him, there were literally hundreds of good metal bands he never had on, presumably the same for other genres.

- 2 days was a disaster for the sole reason that he had less bands than the year before in double the time. Any good festival has clashes and time constraints. He listened to stupid complaints and over-reached. No clashes means not enough worth seeing. Festivals need QUANTITY to sell tickets - look at any Euro festival. This is why it peaked 2011-2013, not just coz of headliners.

People think they want no clashes and long sets but it simply isn't possible to appeal to the same range with a smaller lineup. Longer sets mean the people that attend are maybe slightly happier but overall less people will attend coz the lineup attracts less people.

- This year he obviously can't afford a big lineup or good headliners due to last years losses. He's shafted half his fanbase - the metal fans who just a few short years ago made up a huge part of the crowd due to Maiden, Metallica, and countless smaller but still awesome bands.
He blames the dollar, the government, Adelaide and Perth, whinging fans, everything except himself. He made this mess by miscalculating what people really want, overestimating his own ability and influence, and pissing off both fans and bands.
 
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The band selection has never been an issue with Soundwave, regardless of your taste in music, AJ always pulled a lot of big drawers.

As has been said, the costs associated with the 2 day festival would have been heaps, compound that with the fact that ticket prices were less than 50% more expensive than a normal one dayer. It was a recipe for disaster.
 
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Life Is Noise > AJ

Life Is Noise will never do a festival (If they did it would be something small like Doomsday, which is usually great) but these guys consistently bring great metal and alt rock bands to Australia.

http://lifeisnoise.com/about/past-tours/

I much prefer the atmosphere of a packed out gig in a small venue like Crowbar than at a festival.

The festival atmosphere is the worst part IMO, full of people who never go to gigs and don't know how to look after their fellow man.

Nothing can beat the atmosphere of being in a small venue with everyone lost in the moment.

This is what I'm talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ia-QXJ0Iw0

My mates and I were front row arms linked headbanging as one entity, every person in the venue had their face melted off.

Crowbar is ok for local gigs and bands just starting out but it's only a 2-300 person venue. IMO you need to be around the 800+ to get an atmosphere cranking.

But in saying I do agree that a decent small venue is great. Sound quality improves immensely at a smaller venue, I have seen some bands in open air and again in indoor venues and the sound is incomparable.
 

beave

Coach
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Agreed on the Crowbar.

Good for up and coming bands, shit for anyone half decent as its pretty small.

The Hi-Fi is/was a good venue in Brissy.
 

natheel

Coach
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AJ having a meltdown again on Twitter pointing fingers at Eventopia and Ticketek as to why bands aren't paid and why the festival won't be going ahead. Eventopia replied saying it's not in their control whether a festival goes ahead or not. And he called their CFO a scumbag or something to that effect. All class
 

elyod138

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Agreed on the Crowbar.

Good for up and coming bands, shit for anyone half decent as its pretty small.

The Hi-Fi is/was a good venue in Brissy.

Crowbar is great for international bands that not many people know about. If it's packed it isn't very good but up to about 80% capacity it's comfortable. High on Fire/Conan/Church of Misery/Windhand were good at Crowbar off the top of my head. Boris was packed and it was hard to see but it still sounded great.

The Triffid is taking a lot of The Hi Fi/Max Watt's business. Just saw The Brian Jonestown Massacre and GOAT/King Gizzard there, great sound and viewing angles. Clutch are playing there soon.

The Foundry is another good newish one for small gigs and The Brightside is great too.

The Brisbane music scene is thriving at the moment. If any of you get a chance to see Frown, do it. They opened for Sleep and they blew them away IMO. Their recorded stuff doesn't do justice to their live show. They're playing at Crowbar on Friday night.
 
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redvscotty

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There was a smallish venue I saw Municipal Waste in the city under the mall a few years back, that was pretty awesome but also small.

Had no idea Hi-Fi had turned into Max Watts, been ages since I went there.

My limit lately has been punk gigs at the Prince of Wales, and even then.....

Won't be too bummed if SW 16 doesn't go ahead, Deftones might do a separate tour.
 
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Crowbar is great for international bands that not many people know about. If it's packed it isn't very good but up to about 80% capacity it's comfortable. High on Fire/Conan/Church of Misery/Windhand were good at Crowbar off the top of my head. Boris was packed and it was hard to see but it still sounded great.

The Triffid is taking a lot of The Hi Fi/Max Watt's business. Just saw The Brian Jonestown Massacre and GOAT/King Gizzard there, great sound and viewing angles. Clutch are playing there soon.

The Foundry is another good newish one for small gigs and The Brightside is great too.

The Brisbane music scene is thriving at the moment. If any of you get a chance to see Frown, do it. They opened for Sleep and they blew them away IMO. Their recorded stuff doesn't do justice to their live show. They're playing at Crowbar on Friday night.


The triffid is a pretty cool venue, isn't it owned by that powder finger guy?
 
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The band selection has never been an issue with Soundwave, regardless of your taste in music, AJ always pulled a lot of big drawers.

As has been said, the costs associated with the 2 day festival would have been heaps, compound that with the fact that ticket prices were less than 50% more expensive than a normal one dayer. It was a recipe for disaster.

Just give up. Sales are way down this year because the line up f**king sucks. This is not debatable.
 

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