Lets face it. Sutherland shire is a bit limited.
If such is the case (and it will be) can clubs in Sydney like the Sharks (and others - they are only an example) scrap up a minimum of 20 million?
Yes, the SARL have come out with a similar proposal saying they believe they have the corporate support and a relocation starting with a partial relocation would work well. My suggestion is is not totally relocate as such but to establish a wider reach.Do Adelaide even want a team?
Adelaide has been done before and failed. i would have serious concerns about their ability to attract the 20000+ crowd a team would need to stay viable. up against the crows and port the adelide franchise would be pushing s hit up a hill to get any sort of dominance regardless of whether a new franchise started there or a re-located team was to go there.
Costs/taxes are what is currently causing the "sydney" clubs issue... how would putting a team in Adelaide and Sydney help in reducing costs? Whilst this is not the sole reason im against it it is a contributing factor that would need to be considered.
Broader Question: general conception we need to look after and get back to our home bases
I dont know that there is an answer but all i can say is that unless the sharks remain the cronulla sharks i wont support them
ermm not one single club would get that sort of money. If anything in 20 years the Sharks will be better off as they are asset rich...unlike MOST clubs.
Josh you have an Agenda against the Sharks. You have no facts, just stupid personal ideas. Keep em to yourself champ, the world will be a better place.
I have no agenda, my use of the Sharks is simply using the club I think has MOST to gain, in the easiest way without damaging their base that much. Other clubs could look at this style option as well.
If you don't think that in the next ten or so years the top Sydney clubs will NEED 20 million you are living in a fantasy world (HaC and Co on the South Sydney Story made it clear that to COMPETE now a Sydney club needs atleast 15 million). The TOP clubs in Sydney already operate at 15 million plus. It WILL happen. Will your club be able to support such an outlay? I realise the Sharks are probably one of the safest club in the present environment in Sydney. Part of RL's problem is that is only wants to survive not thrive and dominate.
What will you do if it happens?i understand you are just tossing up ideas Josh and thats ok. Yes im a sharks fan and i dont see any of this likely to happen so im certainly not making an angry post defending the sharks but here are my thoughts
a couple of things:-
- Do Adelaide even want a team? i know you were possibly just using them as an example and the same can be said for Perth etc
- Adelaide has been done before and failed. i would have serious concerns about their ability to attract the 20000+ crowd a team would need to stay viable. up against the crows and port the adelide franchise would be pushing s hit up a hill to get any sort of dominance regardless of whether a new franchise started there or a re-located team was to go there.
- Costs/taxes are what is currently causing the "sydney" clubs issue... how would putting a team in Adelaide and Sydney help in reducing costs? Whilst this is not the sole reason im against it it is a contributing factor that would need to be considered.
- I also raise the broader question of are we (rugby league in general) trying to hard to "win" everything? and by that i mean we talk about Rugby Union "catching up".... of course they will it is a national sport in 10+ countries... league is only a recognised national sport in 3 in my opinion. Our competition is Super 14's and lets face it they have teams from 3 nations with lots of support because the popularity if this sport in the country comes from having a national team to support that has ability (SA AUS and NZ). AFL is not an international sport.... however the people of melbourne ensure it by having so much support for their game. This is then backed up in perth sydney adelaide and brisbane by having just as much support but for less teams.
I spose the point im trying to make is what we need to do is stop worrying about trying to "Beat" all the other codes cos we might "die" because by not watching wat is going on infront of use we are ensuring we die anyway.
Instead of looking to expand out (adelaide etc) lets look at staying in with more focus on getting people to the games. Teams should play at "HOME" not at ANZ. Souths have 6 Home stadiums this year is that correct? Lets get the dragons back to oki and win, parra at parra only, the dogs at anz or belmore only.... tigers at leichardt and campbelltown only... you get my drift....
i just dont believe expanding the competition to other states is the answer. I dont know that there is an answer but all i can say is that unless the sharks remain the cronulla sharks i wont support them. Nothing against a merger with any other sydney team thats fine but i wont be a part of it.
Im sure when the dragons/steelers merger happened people were lost to the game and they have managed to keep previous fans of both clubs and attracted new ones, thats great but i couldnt support a team with my hand on my heart that was a merged team. I just couldnt do it. and i suppose thats the shame of it all.
BEFORE Sharkies fans go crazy about their stability etc. WHAT IF the NRL offered four million for a PARTIAL relocation in that 4 - 6 games would be moved to Adelaide for a contracted period of say Ten years. Thus making a gaurantee for both the Sydney based home and Adelaide base of stability and consistency. The SA government and business would need to be involved. (think the Rams had SEVEN thousand members when they were shut)
Shark Park would be retained and games against the Sharks by other teams in Sydney would be sought to bring the Cronulla based homes games back up to say ten.
A slight name change to Southern Sharks would be made still being relevant to both areas (and maybe even the South Coast could be an aim) The Sharks are a marketable name and image.
Could it work? Pros and Cons (and maybe another team is a better option)
I have no agenda, my use of the Sharks is simply using the club I think has MOST to gain, in the easiest way without damaging their base that much. Other clubs could look at this style option as well.
i believe that at some stage maybe within 5-8 years, the sharks, dragons & steelers will all be one team.
i thought about a year after the saints / steelers merger, that at some atge the sharks would be incorporated.
i hope it doesn't happen - but i feel that's where it's headed.
i think you are 100% spot on