Souths Duty of Care

[sensesmaybenumbed]

So are we going to get independent doctors for all injuries, or just concussion injuries?

The blood bin as well. Broken legs. Everything.

 

[DiegoNT]

So the same qualified doctor who can advise a player if its safe or unsafe (and not let them back on the field) to continue with a muscle strain or a broken bone etc suddenly can't be trusted to make a decision on concussion?

 

[Nice Beaver]

So the same qualified doctor who can advise a player if its safe or unsafe (and not let them back on the field) to continue with a muscle strain or a broken bone etc suddenly can't be trusted to make a decision on concussion?

That's it 100%. They can't be trusted.

A broken bone is a broken bone. A torn hamstring is torn. A dislocated shoulder is dislocated.

A concussion can be interpreted two different ways....depending on where your bread is buttered......

 

[insert.pause]

How do you solve disputes?

Stay with club doctore but I'd take two points off souths and parra both and let clubs know it will be points every time they are found to have broken the rule.

It's unlikely you would need to provided they do their duty and the clubs would be less inclined to pressure the club doctor with another doctor there watching. It would empower the doctors and remove the need for independent doctors, which imo would only reinforce a culture where doctors put the clubs needs above the welfare of the players whenever a independent doctor isn't looking over their shoulder.

It should compliment harsh sanctions.

 

[JJ]

So the same qualified doctor who can advise a player if its safe or unsafe (and not let them back on the field) to continue with a muscle strain or a broken bone etc suddenly can't be trusted to make a decision on concussion?

Correct

 

[betcats]

It's unlikely you would need to provided they do their duty and the clubs would be less inclined to pressure the club doctor with another doctor there watching. It would empower the doctors and remove the need for independent doctors, which imo would only reinforce a culture where doctors put the clubs needs above the welfare of the players whenever a independent doctor isn't looking over their shoulder.

It should compliment harsh sanctions.

Maybe as they both there checking them out it would be harder to fudge it but we have seen two disputes the last two weeks, even if it is unlikely there has to be a way to decide in case of a dispute.

 

[insert.pause]

Maybe as they both there checking them out it would be harder to fudge it but we have seen two disputes the last two weeks, even if it is unlikely there has to be a way to decide in case of a dispute.

Don't underestimate the power of professional shaming, the doctors knew that peats and Reynolds were concussed, I don't think identifying a concussion is the problem, they have been allowed back on the field because clubs have pressured the doctors based on their employment, either explicitly or implicitly, they can't pressure both doctors and hence will be unlikely to pressure either.

 

[betcats]

Don't underestimate the power of professional shaming, the doctors knew that peats and Reynolds were concussed, I don't think identifying a concussion is the problem, they have been allowed back on the field because clubs have pressured the doctors based on their employment, either explicitly or implicitly, they can't pressure both doctors and hence will be unlikely to pressure either.

Yeah I see what you are saying but there is always the chance of a difference of opinion, doctors miss diagnose and disagree with each other more often then you would think. One doctor might genuinely think the player is ok to go back out while the other thinks he is showing signs of concussion. If you are going to implement both doctors checking the player then there has to be a way to solve disagreements.

 

[Galeforce]

oh please all the wusses.

I suppose none of the folks here jumping up and down regarding duty of care , enjoy Boxing ?
According to them ONE PUNCH to the head , should result in an end to the contest.

What crap.

The Duty of care issue is about being sued by the players in future for not being seen to provide a "safe " environment.If you folks concerned about Duty of Care , then follow another sport that has NO Contact.
Players recover at different rates and some players , take for example the boxing "glass jaw" saying.

Consider James Graham , his head potential almost took out two Souths players in the GF. In the current hysteria , you wusses would be saying both players should have been taken off and not allowed back on . Yet Graham was ok to stay on.
Wait a second , even if James Graham was not wobbly , wouldn't his brain have been just as shaken as the Souths pair? Under that concern , should James also have been forced off because of future brain concerns.

The wusses will have a field day on this......enjoy your day

 

[God-King Dean]

In regards to concussions, I can even explain in words how geniused it is to compare RL to boxing/UFC.

 

[Nice Beaver]

oh please all the wusses.

I suppose none of the folks here jumping up and down regarding duty of care , enjoy Boxing ?
According to them ONE PUNCH to the head , should result in an end to the contest.

What crap.

The Duty of care issue is about being sued by the players in future for not being seen to provide a "safe " environment.If you folks concerned about Duty of Care , then follow another sport that has NO Contact.
Players recover at different rates and some players , take for example the boxing "glass jaw" saying.

Consider James Graham , his head potential almost took out two Souths players in the GF. In the current hysteria , you wusses would be saying both players should have been taken off and not allowed back on . Yet Graham was ok to stay on.
Wait a second , even if James Graham was not wobbly , wouldn't his brain have been just as shaken as the Souths pair? Under that concern , should James also have been forced off because of future brain concerns.

The wusses will have a field day on this......enjoy your day

Well look! The dinosaur has stomped into the thread

Medical science has proven beyond doubt what damage this stuff does.

Yes, yes, you are a big tough man who likes it "old school". Very impressive.

Last I checked, head high tackles in league were outlawed? Likewise shoulder charges? I am guessing that's because they don't want players getting hit in the head? Wonder why? Probably because they are all wusses hey?!

Boxing is not rugby league.

Seems like you should have been taken from the field a few times to negate the brain issues evident now.

 

[Canard]

In regards to concussions, I can even explain in words how geniused it is to compare RL to boxing/UFC.

Exactly one is an actual sport for a start.

 

[God-King Dean]

I know.

Don't know how any could watch Rugby League.

It's barbaric.

 

[BadSport]

Wait a second , even if James Graham was not wobbly , wouldn't his brain have been just as shaken as the Souths pair?

If he's not showing symptoms of concussion, he's not concussed.

I can understand the sentiment wrt to legal arse covering, but that's a pretty basic physiological point you've missed.

I don't follow boxing, but I imagine if you're concussed in the middle of a round the fight is called off. They don't leave you out there with bandy legs throwing punches at the air. Then there's a fair break until the next fight.

 

[Canard]

I know.

Don't know how any could watch Rugby League.

It's barbaric.

:lol:

 

[muzby]

oh please all the wusses.

I suppose none of the folks here jumping up and down regarding duty of care , enjoy Boxing ?
According to them ONE PUNCH to the head , should result in an end to the contest.

What crap.

The Duty of care issue is about being sued by the players in future for not being seen to provide a "safe " environment.If you folks concerned about Duty of Care , then follow another sport that has NO Contact.
Players recover at different rates and some players , take for example the boxing "glass jaw" saying.

Consider James Graham , his head potential almost took out two Souths players in the GF. In the current hysteria , you wusses would be saying both players should have been taken off and not allowed back on . Yet Graham was ok to stay on.
Wait a second , even if James Graham was not wobbly , wouldn't his brain have been just as shaken as the Souths pair? Under that concern , should James also have been forced off because of future brain concerns.

The wusses will have a field day on this......enjoy your day

coming from the guy who said he didn't want 'legit doctors' examining his team....

we aren't discussing boxing here, we are on a football forum discussing football, and the impact on the young men who earn a living getting belted each week for your entertainment.. Stop trying to smokescreen.

boxing is a barbaric excuse for a sport. CTE is even more prevalent in boxing than it is in football.

 

[Galeforce]

If he's not showing symptoms of concussion, he's not concussed.

I can understand the sentiment wrt to legal arse covering, but that's a pretty basic physiological point you've missed.

I don't follow boxing, but I imagine if you're concussed in the middle of a round the fight is called off. They don't leave you out there with bandy legs throwing punches at the air. Then there's a fair break until the next fight.

LOL , how do you know?

If there is a head collision and one player shows symptoms of dizziness for a couple of minutes and another does not , you believe that means one is concussed and one is not?

Fair dinkum, where is the medical science that shows that.......NIL.Logically if two heads collide the brains in side should both get the same disturbances.......the difference may be because one players balance/systems can handle the shock better , it does not mean the SHOCK did not happen.

This is where this debate is a joke.

The other Joke is the cry of "lets get independent Doctors" that will fix the problem. What is an independent Doctor ? i.e. they do not follow NRL ? they are exactly consistent with each other ? Or wait we need a video Doctor to check on the Independent Doctor , lets have a FULL Investigation . LOL pea brains and media having a field day and the pea brains take up the challenge.

 

[Galeforce]

coming from the guy who said he didn't want 'legit doctors' examining his team....

we aren't discussing boxing here, we are on a football forum discussing football, and the impact on the young men who earn a living getting belted each week for your entertainment.. Stop trying to smokescreen.

boxing is a barbaric excuse for a sport. CTE is even more prevalent in boxing than it is in football.

By the way PEABRAIN , i said i preferred the CLUB DOCTOR who knew the players . I never said that the clubs should not have legit Doctors. You are a moron and shit head for changing what i said to support your PEABRAIN response.

As for the boxing example .........simple if anyone here is wanting themselves on Souths Duty of Care and FOLLOWs boxing , then they are a joke. If you do not get that you are a PEABRAIN of inconsistency

 

[soc123_au]

Is Galeforce concussed? I am no doctor, but I think yes.

 

[betcats]

oh please all the wusses.

I suppose none of the folks here jumping up and down regarding duty of care , enjoy Boxing ?
According to them ONE PUNCH to the head , should result in an end to the contest.

What crap.

The Duty of care issue is about being sued by the players in future for not being seen to provide a "safe " environment.If you folks concerned about Duty of Care , then follow another sport that has NO Contact.
Players recover at different rates and some players , take for example the boxing "glass jaw" saying.

Consider James Graham , his head potential almost took out two Souths players in the GF. In the current hysteria , you wusses would be saying both players should have been taken off and not allowed back on . Yet Graham was ok to stay on.
Wait a second , even if James Graham was not wobbly , wouldn't his brain have been just as shaken as the Souths pair? Under that concern , should James also have been forced off because of future brain concerns.

The wusses will have a field day on this......enjoy your day

Theres so many punch drunk drunk boxers walking around, the greatest boxer ever still got hit so much he got damaged. Its exactly what we are trying to avoid. And calling people wusses...what kind of f**kwit think watching other people get hurt makes you tough??