Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

[Wb1234]

If Foxtel goes tits up, which is a real possibility given they're $2 billion in debt and don't generate enough revenue through Kayo Sports to break even to counter the loss of traditional Foxtel subscribers, then funding will drop significantly. FTA is only going to get weaker.

Exactly mate. From any perspective (TV, fans, corporates) it makes no

So I live on Sunshine Coast... who's my team in the nrl???

Melbourne storm

THE

 

[Perth Red]

The Redcliffe Dolphins are based in Redcliffe, Moreton Bay. They'll play less games on the Sunshine Coast than the Dragons do in Wollongong.

Neither Sunshine Coast nor Wollongong deserve a team of their own.

Its not about deserving, its about what's financially viable and what's best strategically for the NRL as a business. Regional cities are good secondary venues/supporter bases for current NRL clubs to grow their customer base but are not somewhere you should put a new club.
SC is now covered at grassroots by Storm and for supporters by Dolphins. Wollongong is covered by Dragons, Gosford is increasingly being covered by Roosters (they need to commit to 2 games a year there and a pre season trial imo). Cairns by Cowboys.

 

[Perth Red]

So I live on Sunshine Coast... who's my team in the nrl???

Storm or Dolphins. Take your pick

 

[Wb1234]

Its not about deserving, its about what's financially viable and what's best strategically for the NRL as a business. Regional cities are good secondary venues/supporter bases for current NRL crowds to grow their appeal but are not somewhere you would put a new club.
SC is now covered at grassroots by Storm and for supporters by Dolphins. Wollongong is covered by Dragons, Gosford is increasingly being covered by Roosters (they need to commit to 2 games a year there and a pre season trial imo). Cairns by Cowboys.

Ok like I said to someone else write a letter to vlandys telling him regional clubs aren’t viable

so we will be kicking out of the nrl

1. cowboys
2. Titans
3. Newcastle
4. Canberra

and the dragons can just ignore Illawarra and play all their games at kogarah lol

 

[johnny plath]

Storm or Dolphins. Take your pick

Sorry.. redcliffe and sunny coast have nothing in common and not really that close either to say they're the sunny coast team. Not really sure what storm does apart from give their squad a feeder team to play in... only time they played here was during covid lockdown... didn't even play trials here. I don't think sc is worthy or needs an nrl team but let's not pretend Dolphins or storm really give a duck about sunshine Coast.

 

[Perth Red]

Ok like I said to someone else write a letter to vlandys telling him regional clubs aren’t viable

so we will be kicking out of the nrl

1. cowboys
2. Titans
3. Newcastle
4. Canberra

and the dragons can just ignore Illawarra and play all their games at kogarah lol

I dont need to, he knows that's why there is no mention of them in 18th club commentary.

strawman argument. Those clubs are in, but that doesn't mean to say you'd repeat the decisions in the future. No one is getting kicked out but the chances of another regional club being admitted seem very slim. Of the clubs youve listed 3 of them have been unviable to the point of having to be taken over. Even with Knights massive supporter base they only survived because a pokie den now subsidises them.

Why would Dragons do that? Stupid argument, these regional cities give a city based club a second customer base option which is no bad thing for the club or RL fans in that city.

 

[Wb1234]

Sorry.. redcliffe and sunny coast have nothing in common and not really that close either to say they're the sunny coast team. Not really sure what storm does apart from give their squad a feeder team to play in... only time they played here was during covid lockdown... didn't even play trials here. I don't think sc is worthy or needs an nrl team but let's not pretend Dolphins or storm really give a duck about sunshine Coast.

Redcliffe aren’t in the nrl

THE are. And they are playing games there. They certainly represent the sunny coast

 

[Wb1234]

I dont need to, he knows that's why there is no mention of them in 18th club commentary.

strawman argument. Those clubs are in, but that doesn't mean to say you'd repeat the decisions in the future. No one is getting kicked out but the chances of another regional club being admitted seem very slim. Of the clubs youve listed 3 of them have been unviable to the point of having to be taken over. Even with Knights massive supporter base they only survived because a pokie den now subsidises them.

Why would Dragons do that? Stupid argument, these regional cities give a city based club a second customer base option which is no bad thing for the club or RL fans in that city.

Oh well at least you were consistent and admitted that bringing in csnberra cowboys titans and Newcastle was a mistake

let’s ignore the massive populations in regional australia who don’t give a stuff about afl

let’s just put clubs in capital cities and pretend we are popular

 

[Perth Red]

Oh well at least you were consistent and admitted that bringing in csnberra cowboys titans and Newcastle was a mistake

let’s ignore the massive populations in regional australia who don’t give a stuff about afl

let’s just put clubs in capital cities and pretend we are popular

90% of media advertising spending is in metro areas. You want the TV $'s thats you're primary target.
From a fanbase point of view, yes I agree its great that we can have regional clubs for RL fans to support, from a financial sustainability point of view now it costs $30mill a year to run an NRL club, not so great.

 

[Colk]

Ok like I said to someone else write a letter to vlandys telling him regional clubs aren’t viable

so we will be kicking out of the nrl

1. cowboys
2. Titans
3. Newcastle
4. Canberra

and the dragons can just ignore Illawarra and play all their games at kogarah lol

It’s not a dialectic argument.

You assess the merits of a side entering based on the current situation of the competition and how the new side would affect the rest of the competition

Canberra and Newcastle entered the competition as part of the NSWRL. They are far enough away from Sydney to not impact any of those sides drastically and in any case they have built up solid supporter bases. They are not going to impact the numbers of supporters for other sides and they are growing regions

Nth QLD I have gone through already. There isn’t a side within thousand miles of them. Again they aren’t going to impact anybody else.

Gold Coast has had a troubled time and they still aren’t totally clear. In hindsight they maybe should have picked another Brisbane side. They are in there now, it is a growing region and there is not a surplus of Qld sides like what we have in NSW. Therefore, there is room for them to grow without affecting the Broncos or the Dolphins.

The difference between a prospective CC side and those sides is CC is close to ten other sides (which is not the case of those other examples) so you would be impacting other clubs by putting them in (there is no doubt about that) and the competition is now completely different in terms of need than 30 years ago for example.

Putting regional sides in when it was a NSW competition was fine for that time. putting a regional side where is no competition for the market around them was fine at that time but now we need to grow the game outside of NSW/QLD.

We have reached saturation point in NSW/QLD and it is more than likely that any additional side in those states would detract from other sides rather than add new supporters. Therefore you need to find big markets outside of those states in order to attract new fans/sponsors etc.

 

[Iamback]

16k is a good crowd by nrl standards lol

In a city of 2.5m... Far from it.

Acceptable due to the same reasons 16k would be a good crowd to any Sydney team

 

[siv]

NSO should never be used again for a professional RL competition. It’s archaic

Gosford has a nice stadium but it’s small.

Gosford just needs the northern stand built at it goes 20k to 25k. Nothing small about it

In fact today its 25% bigger than Endeavour, Leichhardt and Brookvale and 100% bigger than Redcliffe

 

[Perth Red]

Gosford just needs the northern stand built at it goes 20k to 25k. Nothing small about

In fact today its 25% bigger than Endeavour, Leichhardt and Brookvale and 100% bigger than Redcliffe

Its small by modern NRL standards. Comparing it to ancient inappropriate suburban parks isnt exactly a bar to be setting lol Playing NRL matches at Redcliffe is a joke with a 12k capacity.
Other problems with Gosford are roof drip line doesn't look like it covers a lot of seats and the pitch of the seats is very shallow compared to modern stadiums. Its amazing how outdated it looks considering its only 23 years old and shows how far stadium design has come in the last 2 decades.

 

[siv]

Mentioning the CC is close to 10 clubs

You know what that brings

Rivalry

Rivalry brings $ through TV Corporates snd fans

And by returning the Bears brand instantly brings in 115 years of history

 

[Perth Red]

Mentioning the CC is close to 10 clubs

You know what that brings

Rivalry

Rivalry brings $ through TV Corporates snd fans

And by returning the Bears brand instantly brings in 115 years of history

Must be why 9k turned out to two Sydney clubs at the weekend, cant beat tribalism lol.

 

[Wb1234]

Mentioning the CC is close to 10 clubs

You know what that brings

Rivalry

Rivalry brings $ through TV Corporates snd fans

And by returning the Bears brand instantly brings in 115 years of history

Agreed

 

[Colk]

Mentioning the CC is close to 10 clubs

You know what that brings

Rivalry

Rivalry brings $ through TV Corporates snd fans

And by returning the Bears brand instantly brings in 115 years of history

Ok now we get to the crux of the argument. It is good we finally got to the point of why you want them back in. It’s got nothing to do with the CC or for growing the game - it is to satisfy some boomer nostalgia. Fine, if the Bears want back in, pick an area outside of NSW/QLD. Then we will know that you and the Bears fans/organisation are serious about returning.

Also rivalry is relative to what or whom? It only brings $ if people everywhere (you know not just to people in Sydney/NSW but you know Qld and other states) are interested in it.

Regards to new fans, as I said earlier, if they pick another NSW side they are simply drawing from the same well of supporters as the current 10 clubs; further diluting support. If they live on the CC, they already support the game (overwhelmingly so according to some stats) and follow a club, so all you would be doing is ripping support from other clubs. Also, if they are fans of the Bears, most likely they are not young (most of them would be middle aged or older) and this wouldn’t be a target market for any new club in any case.

Again if you want a CC club, relocate one from Sydney/kill one from Sydney and bring your precious Bears in then.

 

[baselinepanther]

So what you're saying is Sydney doesn't need to have any teams in the NRL because RL fans who live there will happily watch Brisbane vs North Queensland?

Good!

Well then, we can get rid of at least four Sydney sides that have low memberships, poor attendances and draw terrible ratings around the country and replace them with Brisbane 3, NZ 2, NZ 3 and Perth. That'll help improve ratings nationally and in NZ, bringing more money into the game that can be spent on junior development in the AwFuL states.

Seriously though, what the data shows is the drop off in viewers when a Queensland team or the Storm aren't playing is much greater than the drop in NSW when no Sydney team is playing. That makes the teams from outside of NSW more valuable to the broadcasters, especially Foxtel. It's why News Ltd had a stake in Brisbane, Storm and Cowboys but never gave a f**k about Rabbitohs, Magpies and Tigers.

The most valuable team in the competition is Brisbane Broncos.

"The highest rating game of the season was in round 1 between Melbourne and Brisbane, which rated 1.183 million. Filling out the top 5 was Brisbane v Nth Queensland (R2), Brisbane v St George (R3), South Sydney v Brisbane (R8) and Brisbane v Parramatta (R24)"

2019 NRL season by the TV ratings numbers - Sports Industry AU

Its been another big year for Rugby League in 2019 as 113.5 million people tuned in to see the preseason, home and away season, NRLW, Origin, Representative footy and finals. However, while this figure was enough to get it over the AFL again in 2019, it was down more than 6% on the...

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Sydneysiders are better RL fans in general & not close minded & parochial halfwits like Qlders are , & the TV veiwership proves this
They watch the game in the largest numbers by the length of the straight at randwick & when 1 or 2 clubs from Sydney are going bad form wise there is always 1 or 2 who aren't pumping the numbers up each week.

Again
the Broncos numbers are padded by NSWshmen who watch them , same as the Storm & Cowboys.
end of story


The game on

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Sydneysiders are better RL fans in general & not close minded & parochial halfwits like Qlders are , & the TV veiwership proves this
They watch the game in the largest numbers by the length of the straight at randwick & when 1 or 2 clubs from Sydney are going bad form wise there is always 1 or 2 who aren't pumping the numbers up each week.

Again
the Broncos numbers are padded by NSWshmen who watch them , same as the Storm & Cowboys.
end of story


The game on

I guess that's why Broncos, Storm and Cowboys are three of the six most watched clubs, even when two of them are at the foot of the ladder!

30k ave crowds for Broncos at Lang Park says otherwise.

Queenslanders want to see cities and important regions play football. We couldn't care less about tiny suburbs from Sydney.

 

[siv]

Must be why 9k turned out to two Sydney clubs at the weekend, cant beat tribalism lol.

So are you proposing these two clubs get folded?

You also failed to mention Brisbane only drew 6k on the weekend