Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

[mongoose]

Huh? The Broncos have won 6 comps since they formed. There wouldn’t be many teams that would have won more since 1988.

Since 1998:

Non Sydney premierships - 11* (2 stripped from Storm)
Sydney premierships - 13

yeah I think the 7 non sydney teams have done alright....

 

[Colk]

Yeh it’s not rocket science what I’m saying

guess the idea of Sydney just baffles these people

I used to live in Sydney and I still work in North Sydney so spare me I don’t understand Sydney spiel.

 

[Colk]

he'd be including old North Sydney fans & theres plenty of them

Well first of all that’s an assumption. If there were plenty of Bears supporters they wouldn’t have died in the first place.

Secondly, you need to determine how many old Bears fans have or have not just moved their support to other clubs. If they have moved their support to other clubs, you are just diluting the support of existing clubs which is the exact problem I addressed.

Thirdly, what are the age group of these supporters. Anybody under 40?

Fourthly, even if there is some dormant support, why is there a need to stick them in Sydney where they will be fighting for corporate support against 9 other Sydney clubs. That’s not smart.

 

[siv]

Again though how many people already follow a side? If they like the game, they have liked it without the presence of a North Sydney/CC side. Inversely, if they don’t follow a side, they don’t like the game. End of.

This point seems hard for you to understand for some reason.

Every area has followed another team

This is a pretty ordinary excuse to exclude a club

It occurred everywhere

 

[MugaB]

Every area has followed another team

This is a pretty ordinary excuse to exclude a club

It occurred everywhere

Using that line, means perth dont need a team, coz PR os already supporting the storm etc, or Logan/WTFbris3 is dont need to be included as GROTD is already a cowboys fan (or dolphins fan now)

 

[Perth Red]

So are you proposing these two clubs get folded?

You also failed to mention Brisbane only drew 6k on the weekend

Nope but I’m not the one saying adding another nsw club makes sense because of rivallary! Clearly it has limited impact when two clubs from the same city can’t crack a five figure crowd!

 

[Perth Red]

Di

Using that line, means perth dont need a team, coz PR os already supporting the storm etc, or Logan/WTFbris3 is dont need to be included as GROTD is already a cowboys fan (or dolphins fan now)

difference is I’d go from being a fan mostly consuming the game via tv to a full ticketed member attending games.

 

[Colk]

Every area has followed another team

This is a pretty ordinary excuse to exclude a club

It occurred everywhere

Yeah but other areas aren’t within the vicinity of 10 other clubs. This is the key difference you don’t seem to understand.

In order to consume a product, a person either has to have exposure or access to a product and thus be given a choice to consume it or not.

So let’s use the example of North Queensland which has a similar population to CC. People in North Queensland probably supported other clubs prior to their entry but due to the fact they are thousands of kms away from the nearest professional club which at the time was the Broncos most of them regularly couldn’t attend a game. This is because they didn’t have access and therefore we’re ‘t given the choice to actively consume. So therefore when they entered, you got new people regularly attending games.

The same thing would happen in Perth or Adelaide or South Island. People don’t have the chance to attend games even if they are interested. Putting teams in teams in these areas won’t draw active supporters away from other clubs. They will in essence be new supporters

 

[MugaB]

Di

difference is I’d go from being a fan mostly consuming the game via tv to a full ticketed member attending games.

Correct, so if there was a CC club, that would also happen... and im all for perth having an NRL side aswell as CC, PNG and NZ2, regardless of the money/crowds the game wants/needs to make

 

[Wb1234]

Using that line, means perth dont need a team, coz PR os already supporting the storm etc, or Logan/WTFbris3 is dont need to be included as GROTD is already a cowboys fan (or dolphins fan now)

/thread lmao

what a brilliant response

 

[Colk]

/thread lmao

what a brilliant response

Not really. There is a difference between somebody watching the game from across the country and not able to attend any games and the CC example.

People from the CC can already attend as many games as they want

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Realistically when looking over almost 30 years of nrl history the question needs to be asked is can Queensland clubs compete consistently ?

joining a competition of such a high intensity has helped the game in Queensland improve I’m sure but has it improved to be able to match the Sydney clubs consistently ?

probably not

Are you on drugs?

Queensland beat NSW 8 years in a row and you're asking if Queensland's NRL clubs can keep up?

LOL

The only reason Sydney clubs are competitive on the field is because they travel far less than every other club and get to play the GF in Sydney each year. It helps them to recruit players because the lower travel demands are less taxing and increase their odds of winning a premiership as they're fresher by the close of the season. If you added more teams outside of NSW and rationalised Sydney to six clubs then that advantage would start to wane, hence the reason NSW RL fans want to keep it as it is.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Huh? The Broncos have won 6 comps since they formed. There wouldn’t be many teams that would have won more since 1988.

Cowboys won an NRL premiership and been runners up twice, plus they are the only team to win the NRL 9s twice.

Broncos have won 6 premierships and are the most widely supported club and most prosperous.

In that time we've had Sydney clubs require bailing out numerous times since the NSWRL days and their fanbases haven't grown. Cronulla took 50 years to win a premiership and it's been so long since Parramatta were premiers that the Broncos weren't around yet!

If there's a club that has been a rabble for most of their existence it's Wests Tigers.

Saying that, Tigers and Eels are two of the best supported clubs in Sydney and deserve a spot ahead of Cronulla and Manly.

 

[Perth Red]

Correct, so if there was a CC club, that would also happen... and im all for perth having an NRL side aswell as CC, PNG and NZ2, regardless of the money/crowds the game wants/needs to make

If I had a club one hour from me I’d be supporting that club and attending games. Why aren’t rl fans on cc doing that?

 

[Colk]

If I had a club one hour from me I’d be supporting that club and attending games. Why aren’t rl fans on cc doing that?

They probably already do. That’s the point.

 

[flippikat]

Are you on drugs?

Queensland beat NSW 8 years in a row and you're asking if Queensland's NRL clubs can keep up?

LOL

The only reason Sydney clubs are competitive on the field is because they travel far less than every other club and get to play the GF in Sydney each year. It helps them to recruit players because the lower travel demands are less taxing and increase their odds of winning a premiership as they're fresher by the close of the season. If you added more teams outside of NSW and rationalised Sydney to six clubs then that advantage would start to wane, hence the reason NSW RL fans want to keep it as it is.

Precisely THIS.

The travel demands in the NRL are completely inequitable, and provide a systematic advantage to Sydney clubs - not just by virtue of having to travel less for their away games, but the appeal that has for players on the market.

if you were a player with two offers on the table - same contract length, same money, but one with a mid-table Sydney club and the other with a mid-table interstate club then the Sydney club has the edge because you know the travel demands will be FAR less.

 

[flippikat]

If I had a club one hour from me I’d be supporting that club and attending games. Why aren’t rl fans on cc doing that?

"But it's too far to travel... it's not in MY suburb.. WAAAAH!!" Etc etc.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

Are you on drugs?

Queensland beat NSW 8 years in a row and you're asking if Queensland's NRL clubs can keep up?

LOL

The only reason Sydney clubs are competitive on the field is because they travel far less than every other club and get to play the GF in Sydney each year. It helps them to recruit players because the lower travel demands are less taxing and increase their odds of winning a premiership as they're fresher by the close of the season. If you added more teams outside of NSW and rationalised Sydney to six clubs then that advantage would start to wane, hence the reason NSW RL fans want to keep it as it is.

What about the advantages that one city teams outside of NSW have in TPA's ultimately letting them have a better team than most within the constraints of the salary cap?

Other states would immediately lose that advantage if more teams popped up in their state.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Precisely THIS.

The travel demands in the NRL are completely inequitable, and provide a systematic advantage to Sydney clubs - not just by virtue of having to travel less for their away games, but the appeal that has for players on the market.

if you were a player with two offers on the table - same contract length, same money, but one with a mid-table Sydney club and the other with a mid-table interstate club then the Sydney club has the edge because you know the travel demands will be FAR less.

The only way interstate clubs can counter it is by paying overs for players, but that just leads to a couple of overpaid journeymen or youngsters signed on potential and a bunch of no names, like the Titans. Non-Sydney clubs should be given an extra $2 million to sign players until Sydney us rationalised.

"But it's too far to travel... it's not in MY suburb.. WAAAAH!!" Etc etc.

Sydney RL fans are the biggest hypocrites and sooks with a massive entitlement complex. Super League exposed it.

What about the advantages that one city teams outside of NSW have in TPA's ultimately letting them have a better team than most within the constraints of the salary cap?

Other states would immediately lose that advantage if more teams popped up in their state.

How do you explain the Roosters buying every big name player to stack their roster?

 

[Wb1234]

Given the money afl is spending in Queensland the state of our Queensland clubs is a major worry.

the titans have sorted out their finances finally but on field success is elusive. Their crowds remain poor

the same can be said for the cowboys. Their recent form is starting to improve so perhaps they can make the finals at last

the broncos are still punching well below their weight. They have to pay overs to keep their players (haas) and can’t even find a Queensland half back to lead the side around the park. They should make the finals but as Queensland’s flagship with all the advantages they have it will be ages before they can become one of the games top clubs again

the dolphins have Bennett but their recruitment has been poor. To counter the rise of the lions ideally the nrl needs these clubs to all start performing

much like the western Sydney clubs have repelled the attempts of gws to make inroads