Star Wars The Last Jedi *** SPOILERS ***

[Mr Spock!]

It's complete nonsense that fans aren't happy because their pet theories weren't realised. The fact is it deliberately pisses on the Original trilogy.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the similarities between this awf**k movie and ESB.

The Resistance (Rebel Alliance) is evacuating their base on D'Qar (Hoth) when the First Order (Empire) shows up. The First Order (Empire) pursues Leia (Leia) through outer space for a good chunk of the movie. Rey (Luke Skywalker) travels to a far away planet to find Luke Skywalker (Yoda), a Jedi Master who's lived in hiding for many years. Luke (Yoda) is skeptical to train Rey (Luke) at first, but eventually agrees to teach her (him) some lessons. Rey (Luke) wanders into a Dark Side cave and has a weird vision/hallucination. Rey (Luke) leaves before her training is complete to help her friends and confront Kylo Ren (Darth Vader). After an intense lightsaber battle (although not against each other), the experienced Dark Side Force user, Kylo Ren (Darth Vader), sticks out his hand towards the novice Light Side Force user, Rey (Luke), and asks her to join him. Luke (Luke) shows up at the end of the movie to try to save Leia (Leia) from the clutches of the First Order (Empire) and she escapes on the Millennium Falcon (Millennium Falcon). Although it doesn't happen at the beginning of the movie, there's also a cheap knockoff of the Battle of Hoth with trenches, laser batteries, walkers, speeders and a white substance that covers the ground ("Salt."). And it wouldn't be a complete ripoff without the "Dark Side tyrant leading a faceless war machine with a Dark Side apprentice who has a special connection with a Light Side newbie" paradigm. There's even a little Return of the Jedi in it because Snoke (Palpatine) tortures Rey (Luke) in front of Kylo Ren (Darth Vader) and then Ren (Vader) kills his master Snoke (Palpatine). They should just call this trilogy a remake of the original, because it's just a slightly different (albeit worse) version of what's already happened.

Oh now I see.

Irrelevant aliens, Rose, Finn and the godawful chase (obviously no one thought of hyperspacing into, like I don't know, different directions) are all attempts at originality as well as destroying a beloved character for the hell of it and dying of boredom/being involved in a shitty movie.

 

[beave]

That's right.

Star Trek is the preachy sci-fi and we all know that.

Star Wars isn't.

It wouldn't surprise me if they go back and delete the scenes where Han cuts open the tauntaun and even the death of the Wampa in ESB.

The big difference between Covenant and Last Jedi is at least Covenant killed the characters we don't give a rats about and actually has a nasty villain. TLJ just keeps adding more and more characters (where's the token gay) while killing off those we do care about and has the stupidest weakest villains ever.

C’mon mate, Kylo GaGaManson is extremely intimidating and a first class villain.....

 

[Mr Spock!]

C’mon mate, Kylo GaGaManson is extremely intimidating and a first class villain.....

Yeah the guy that couldn't kill his mother....until an hour later......The helmet was the most intimidating thing about him......

When Darth Vader arrives: someone's going to get f**ked up.

When Kylo Ren arrives: Kylo's going to f**k something up.

 

[Jono078]

As a fan of both, The Last Jedi hands down.

Disney would turn Alien into an animal rights movie. Vegan Chewie will probably die of starvation by then.

I can't believe the guy who made this has another trilogy to make.

I don't have an issue with this because he will be in charge of the story for the entire trilogy.

But with TLJ I feel like it was an FU to JJ Abrams and didn't want to continue the story he started.

 

[Generalzod]

I agree the Last Jedi is ESB 2.0

But watch this video explains everything about the ring theory watch it from 13.20.

 

[Generalzod]

Yeah the guy that couldn't kill his mother....until an hour later......The helmet was the most intimidating thing about him......

When Darth Vader arrives: someone's going to get f**ked up.

When Kylo Ren arrives: Kylo's going to f**k something up.

I enjoyed the film but it does have it's problems Luke in the original films wanted to redeem his father he didn't want fight or kill him he wanted to save him from the dark side, Now Luke senses that Kylo has a bit of the dark side in him and he wants to chop his head off...

 

[Caped Crusader]

The people who think TFA was a rehash of ANH and worse, TLJ a rehash of ESB are close to the dumbest movie watchers on the planet

For every similar plot point there would easily be 10 that were completely different. Easily

Lazy criticism

 

[bileduct]

The people who think TFA was a rehash of ANH

This isn't even up for debate. JJ Abrams has admitted as much.

 

[bileduct]

It's complete nonsense that fans aren't happy because their pet theories weren't realised. The fact is it deliberately pisses on the Original trilogy.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the similarities between this awf**k movie and ESB.

The Resistance (Rebel Alliance) is evacuating their base on D'Qar (Hoth) when the First Order (Empire) shows up. The First Order (Empire) pursues Leia (Leia) through outer space for a good chunk of the movie. Rey (Luke Skywalker) travels to a far away planet to find Luke Skywalker (Yoda), a Jedi Master who's lived in hiding for many years. Luke (Yoda) is skeptical to train Rey (Luke) at first, but eventually agrees to teach her (him) some lessons. Rey (Luke) wanders into a Dark Side cave and has a weird vision/hallucination. Rey (Luke) leaves before her training is complete to help her friends and confront Kylo Ren (Darth Vader). After an intense lightsaber battle (although not against each other), the experienced Dark Side Force user, Kylo Ren (Darth Vader), sticks out his hand towards the novice Light Side Force user, Rey (Luke), and asks her to join him. Luke (Luke) shows up at the end of the movie to try to save Leia (Leia) from the clutches of the First Order (Empire) and she escapes on the Millennium Falcon (Millennium Falcon). Although it doesn't happen at the beginning of the movie, there's also a cheap knockoff of the Battle of Hoth with trenches, laser batteries, walkers, speeders and a white substance that covers the ground ("Salt."). And it wouldn't be a complete ripoff without the "Dark Side tyrant leading a faceless war machine with a Dark Side apprentice who has a special connection with a Light Side newbie" paradigm. There's even a little Return of the Jedi in it because Snoke (Palpatine) tortures Rey (Luke) in front of Kylo Ren (Darth Vader) and then Ren (Vader) kills his master Snoke (Palpatine). They should just call this trilogy a remake of the original, because it's just a slightly different (albeit worse) version of what's already happened.

Oh now I see.

Irrelevant aliens, Rose, Finn and the godawful chase (obviously no one thought of hyperspacing into, like I don't know, different directions) are all attempts at originality as well as destroying a beloved character for the hell of it and dying of boredom/being involved in a shitty movie.

Star Wars VIII - Return of the Empire

 

[Mr Spock!]

The people who think TFA was a rehash of ANH and worse, TLJ a rehash of ESB are close to the dumbest movie watchers on the planet

For every similar plot point there would easily be 10 that were completely different. Easily

Lazy criticism

BS.

It's people who gloss over ridiculous, lazy and unoriginal screenwriting which rewards mediocrity which will see the death of Star Wars.

Let the funeral march begin.

 

[Mr Spock!]

I enjoyed the film but it does have it's problems Luke in the original films wanted to redeem his father he didn't want fight or kill him he wanted to save him from the dark side, Now Luke senses that Kylo has a bit of the dark side in him and he wants to chop his head off...

I found it incredibly annoying.

The only reason Star Wars exists was because of the association with Skywalker.

One can only assume that those who highly rated it know nothing about the Original series.

 

[Mr Spock!]

I don't have an issue with this because he will be in charge of the story for the entire trilogy.

But with TLJ I feel like it was an FU to JJ Abrams and didn't want to continue the story he started.

What trilogy is this going to be?

Small band of freedom fighters fight tyranny complete with subplots about veganism and animal rights.

 

[Mr Spock!]

So let me guess those kids on the casino planet were child slaves and they saved the alien animals (most probably to be rounded up he next day).........

Hmmmmmmmmm................

Ffs that was appalling.....

 

[The Mad Hatter]

A young hero, a beautiful girl, an anti hero, a wise one, comedy relief, a villain, exotic and strange planets and aliens. Tyranny. Rebellion. Swashbuckling adventure. A space saga.

That's Star Wars yeah?

Beloved by all?

Such a retread of Flash Gordon.

 

[myrrh ken]

It's complete nonsense that fans aren't happy because their pet theories weren't realised. The fact is it deliberately pisses on the Original trilogy.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the similarities between this awf**k movie and ESB.

The Resistance (Rebel Alliance) is evacuating their base on D'Qar (Hoth) when the First Order (Empire) shows up. The First Order (Empire) pursues Leia (Leia) through outer space for a good chunk of the movie. Rey (Luke Skywalker) travels to a far away planet to find Luke Skywalker (Yoda), a Jedi Master who's lived in hiding for many years. Luke (Yoda) is skeptical to train Rey (Luke) at first, but eventually agrees to teach her (him) some lessons. Rey (Luke) wanders into a Dark Side cave and has a weird vision/hallucination. Rey (Luke) leaves before her training is complete to help her friends and confront Kylo Ren (Darth Vader). After an intense lightsaber battle (although not against each other), the experienced Dark Side Force user, Kylo Ren (Darth Vader), sticks out his hand towards the novice Light Side Force user, Rey (Luke), and asks her to join him. Luke (Luke) shows up at the end of the movie to try to save Leia (Leia) from the clutches of the First Order (Empire) and she escapes on the Millennium Falcon (Millennium Falcon). Although it doesn't happen at the beginning of the movie, there's also a cheap knockoff of the Battle of Hoth with trenches, laser batteries, walkers, speeders and a white substance that covers the ground ("Salt."). And it wouldn't be a complete ripoff without the "Dark Side tyrant leading a faceless war machine with a Dark Side apprentice who has a special connection with a Light Side newbie" paradigm. There's even a little Return of the Jedi in it because Snoke (Palpatine) tortures Rey (Luke) in front of Kylo Ren (Darth Vader) and then Ren (Vader) kills his master Snoke (Palpatine). They should just call this trilogy a remake of the original, because it's just a slightly different (albeit worse) version of what's already happened.

Oh now I see.

Irrelevant aliens, Rose, Finn and the godawful chase (obviously no one thought of hyperspacing into, like I don't know, different directions) are all attempts at originality as well as destroying a beloved character for the hell of it and dying of boredom/being involved in a shitty movie.

Yeah the whole sequence of rey getting trained, going into the weird black hole, flying to the enemy, getting handcuffed, getting tortured then getting saved was a bit repetitive.

Yes we get kylo is following darth but it was a bit too obvious

 

[Caped Crusader]

BS.

It's people who gloss over ridiculous, lazy and unoriginal screenwriting which rewards mediocrity which will see the death of Star Wars.

Let the funeral march begin.

Lol even Lucas original script was directly influenced and a "rehash" of other classic sci fi. You can find evidence of the same things in just about any movies if you decide to dig deep enough and choose to ignore the rest

If you think Star Wars will be dead anytime soon you are absolutely kidding yourself. Its contrarians like you who feel the need to rip into things to make themselves feel smarter, when they are actually just following the " its cool to hate popular stuff" crowd, that will be dead and gone well before Star Wars

 

[Mr Spock!]

A young hero, a beautiful girl, an anti hero, a wise one, comedy relief, a villain, exotic and strange planets and aliens. Tyranny. Rebellion. Swashbuckling adventure. A space saga.

That's Star Wars yeah?

Beloved by all?

Such a retread of Flash Gordon.

Or could be an episode of Star Trek.

Lucas didn't butcher Flash Gordon nor blatantly steal its plot.

Nice try though for defending complete and utter laziness.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Lol even Lucas original script was directly influenced and a "rehash" of other classic sci fi. You can find evidence of the same things in just about any movies if you decide to dig deep enough and choose to ignore the rest

If you think Star Wars will be dead anytime soon you are absolutely kidding yourself. Its contrarians like you who feel the need to rip into things to make themselves feel smarter, when they are actually just following the " its cool to hate popular stuff" crowd, that will be dead and gone well before Star Wars

Lol...Abrams already admitted he just ripped of the Original series but I see you've had to change your tune now to well Star Wars did it too.

Let's go over the flogging of ESB again.....

The Resistance (Rebel Alliance) is evacuating their base on D'Qar (Hoth) when the First Order (Empire) shows up. The First Order (Empire) pursues Leia (Leia) through outer space for a good chunk of the movie. Rey (Luke Skywalker) travels to a far away planet to find Luke Skywalker (Yoda), a Jedi Master who's lived in hiding for many years. Luke (Yoda) is skeptical to train Rey (Luke) at first, but eventually agrees to teach her (him) some lessons. Rey (Luke) wanders into a Dark Side cave and has a weird vision/hallucination. Rey (Luke) leaves before her training is complete to help her friends and confront Kylo Ren (Darth Vader). After an intense lightsaber battle (although not against each other), the experienced Dark Side Force user, Kylo Ren (Darth Vader), sticks out his hand towards the novice Light Side Force user, Rey (Luke), and asks her to join him. Luke (Luke) shows up at the end of the movie to try to save Leia (Leia) from the clutches of the First Order (Empire) and she escapes on the Millennium Falcon (Millennium Falcon). Although it doesn't happen at the beginning of the movie, there's also a cheap knockoff of the Battle of Hoth with trenches, laser batteries, walkers, speeders and a white substance that covers the ground ("Salt."). And it wouldn't be a complete ripoff without the "Dark Side tyrant leading a faceless war machine with a Dark Side apprentice who has a special connection with a Light Side newbie" paradigm. There's even a little Return of the Jedi in it because Snoke (Palpatine) tortures Rey (Luke) in front of Kylo Ren (Darth Vader) and then Ren (Vader) kills his master Snoke (Palpatine). They should just call this trilogy a remake of the original, because it's just a slightly different (albeit worse) version of what's already happened.

But...but Flash Gordon.

You can defend laziness and poor characterisations if you want. I don't give a shit. It's your type that Disneys hanging their future on.

But for a hell of a lot of fans the Star Wars universe ended at ROTJ. Those of us who grew up with the Original Star Wars to see it completely shat upon with some of the stupidest nonsense ever seen in cinema.

 

[Mr Spock!]

I mean these clowns couldn't even adapt some of the many other Star Wars stories.

That's how lazy they were.

 

[Generalzod]

NEWFLASH people the new Star Wars films wasnt about story telling it was about getting substantial return on their 4 billion take over of lucasfilm by Disney.