State of Origin 2K19 Discussion

[Pomoz]

His linebreak assists and forced line drop outs suggest his kicks and passes are getting reasonable results... and the guys on the end of his passes and chasing kicks are doing a poor job at converting the opportunities into points.

Cleary has room to improve in all areas. But when you have tiny slow wingers, average fullbacks, centres not doing a good job etc. the halves creating opportunities are getting less results.

It applies too Jimmy too. Our short kicks should have far more tries than they do. But our team just dont chase well.

Because they are so fricking slow the opposition have time to finish what they are reading before they turn and chase the ball. Honestly, we are a team of carthorses.

 

[Dave's mate]

Dave, let's be real here. Nathan wa splaying in a gun team during SOO and yet he is 0 for 4 on attacking stats. Having said that , he played tough and tightened up the middle. Any other half and we may have scored more, but we would likely as not have conceded a lot more. His defence was outstanding and they run at him plenty of times.

First half maybe. Peak Joey Johns couldn't have done shit behind that pack in the second

 

[Andy_P]

I think the fact that most people could imagine that Bennett would have improved Nathan's game indicates that he needs better coaching.

 

[Pomoz]

The problems in the red zone have been there a few years now. I believe at its heart is our predilection for strong powerful backs, whom generally speaking, make many metres but can't run out of sight on a dark night. Whare, slow. DWZ slower, Mansour even slower, Blake can be quick if he can be arsed and isn't injured (he also needs the ball, refer Cleary's "vision"). Couple our carthorses with Cleary's lack of vision and you have a pedestrian attack, livened only when Maloney took charge when Cleary was injured and when Moylan was in form and Bryce was, well "Bryce".

Of course having a coach who has form as a terrible attacking coach, MX's expose on Dave's mates attacking stats as a coach are damning and Hook's bash and barge coaching and we have team that's slow, lacks flair and has been coached to be drones for the last five years.

Our strong forward pack has ket us in the semi's for the last three years, so it ain't all bad, but we won't turn this around over night. We need pace in the backs, so long DWZ and thanks for all your metres and so long Whare, thanks for your tackles and flair at fullback, hooker or 5/8th, preferably in all three. A decent attacking coach would then be the cherry on top.

 

[Pomoz]

First half maybe. Peak Joey Johns couldn't have done shit behind that pack in the second

He has played four times for NSW.

 

[Panfa]

Gotta a feeling if penrith beat chooks and maloney plays well he will be 5/8 for nsw game 2.

 

[Abacus]

You can see why last year Freddie wanted a "no distractions" selection policy.

This year the 3 guys that were more worried about not singing the national anthem were 3 of our poorest performers. From memory Walker initiated this distraction - I'd be surprised if he's even considered for game 2 as a result.

 

[Marky Mark]

Gotta a feeling if penrith beat chooks and maloney plays well he will be 5/8 for nsw game 2.

Yeah, BBQ should be there - you're right again Mark

 

[franklin2323]

Because they are so fricking slow the opposition have time to finish what they are reading before they turn and chase the ball. Honestly, we are a team of carthorses.

Predictable is the main reason. plays out exactly like the video session shows

 

[OldPanther]

Predictable is the main reason. plays out exactly like the video session shows

I wish I could get hold of them for a few weeks. I could get Nathan going at least with his kicking game. They all shrug their shoulders and say he's "solid" and he is but it's frustrating to see him on the edge of being a better player and it's not happening.

 

[Panther_Daz]

Try assists = 33rd

Try contributions = 27th

Total try involvements = 30th

Line break assists = 10th

The only good one is line break assists, the rest are terrible.

Cleary is also 61st in the NRL for mins per try assist. He is currently averaging 1 try assist every 218.3 mins in 2019.

 

[OldPanther]

Cleary is also 61st in the NRL for mins per try assist. He is currently averaging 1 try assist every 218.3 mins in 2019.

Do they drop him and tell him to git gud? His stats read like a horror story.

 

[Panther_Daz]

Do they drop him and tell him to git gud? His stats read like a horror story.

Penrith have invested millions in him now. They will have to dig their heels in and hope he develops some sort of playmaking ability.

 

[OldPanther]

Penrith have invested millions in him now. They will have to dig their heels in and hope he develops some sort of playmaking ability.

Honestly they should call Matty Johns. Best halves coach in the game.

 

[Panther_Daz]

Honestly they should call Matty Johns. Best halves coach in the game.

Cleary has worked with Brandy, Freddy, Joey and Gower. You just can't teach instinct and natural ability.

 

[OldPanther]

Cleary has worked with Brandy, Freddy, Joey and Gower. You just can't teach instinct and natural ability.

Problem all those guys were naturally talented and see the game differently. You need a guy like Matty who can brake the game down for a player like Nathan. He's the one who worked with Drink when the Stomr wanted him to become a halfback.

 

[Flashstep]

Problem all those guys were naturally talented and see the game differently. You need a guy like Matty who can brake the game down for a player like Nathan. He's the one who worked with Drink when the Stomr wanted him to become a halfback.

Completely agree with you, Matty is a highly regarded halves coach for good reason.

His viewpoints on young halves in today’s game is spot on, he knows they’re forced to play very structured and in turn has made them very predictable which is why I think a lot of young halves are struggling even after coming into first grade and making a big impact straight away, like Nathan’s Cleary I think they just hit a wall and only some can move past it, because of the elite defence of the NRL today halves are constantly forced to evolve their game.

Personally I would like to see Maloney given the reigns of the primary playmaker and try and let Cleary develop his game off the back of it. Matty could also really help us I reckon.

 

[PANTHERMIKE]

Cleary has worked with Brandy, Freddy, Joey and Gower. You just can't teach instinct and natural ability.

Get Cooper Cronk out here next year.....

 

[OldPanther]

Completely agree with you, Matty is a highly regarded halves coach for good reason.

His viewpoints on young halves in today’s game is spot on, he knows they’re forced to play very structured and in turn has made them very predictable which is why I think a lot of young halves are struggling even after coming into first grade and making a big impact straight away, like Nathan’s Cleary I think they just hit a wall and only some can move past it, because of the elite defence of the NRL today halves are constantly forced to evolve their game.

Personally I would like to see Maloney given the reigns of the primary playmaker and try and let Cleary develop his game off the back of it. Matty could also really help us I reckon.

Well said. He explains things from the perspective of someone who doesn't have the JT/Joey natural ability can understand which would suit Nathan.

 

[betcats]

Penrith have invested millions in him now. They will have to dig their heels in and hope he develops some sort of playmaking ability.

I agree with this, that’s partly why I am so keen for Maloney to move on now, I think we are only going to start seeing IF Cleary can get better once he’s thrown in the deep hand. He’s to happy to sit back, follow instructions and be second fiddle to jimmy right now and that’s not jimmys fault I know but we need to know of Cleary/Luai can get it done the sooner the better.