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[jc155776]

Always a right to appeal generally. Most commonly it's the developers who appeal when knocked back. If it gets the green light I doubt council would start a legal war costing a shiteload to appeal and capsis and co would have to sell their houses to appeal themselves because a pension wouldn't pay for much representation.

 

[Havoc]

I'm not sure that is correct.... I'm sure I read somewhere that if the PAC are assessing the proposal and hold a public meeting before their decision then there is no right to appeal by objectors?

Could be mistaken though!

 

[jc155776]

Hey I am only going off how it works up here.

May be a bit different with this being a State significant project.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Just have the Dozers idling at the fenced area the day before the announcement. Once the decision is yes then let rip without stopping.

 

[carcharias]

Did you know that now you can bypass sutho council and get
home reno's approved in10 days now?

They can't do a fuggin thing about it.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

I'm not sure that is correct.... I'm sure I read somewhere that if the PAC are assessing the proposal and hold a public meeting before their decision then there is no right to appeal by objectors?

Could be mistaken though!

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/controver...ter-town-gets-the-goahead-20111208-1okg2.html

 

[R2Coupe]

Amenity again. What amenity do you speak of?

And don't say playing fields. They are locked to the public and privately owned.

Sherlock, the amenity of being able to live in an outer southern suburb of Sydney with beautifual Woolooware Bay, the more relaxed lifestyle of the Shire, beaches and bushland.

Coupe,

Now that submissions are closed for the Sharks development, I hope you are preparing to fight the good fight with other developments in the area...

Why? I am unaware of any development this size in the Shire planned on a flood plain in an environmentally sensitive area with the potential to destroy the immediate environs,
Caringbah High

Hahaha
In their 30's

Bullshiter

Aren't you the clown who continued to claim the site wasn't a floodplain?

Good to see you have slithered out from under your rock Sherlock.

Answer the question.

Where were these local sharks members when the vote and initial sharks club consultation and meeting happened?

Capsis didn't even turn up to voice an opinion the coward.

I believe he was quite vocal in his opposition. Good on him for standing up for local residents.

Ey coupe

Where are you thinking about buying these houses for your kids?

Why, how much do you charge to haunt one?

It always amuses me when people who are losing an argument attempt to look to some arcane notion of "house rules" or "standing orders" as their case for dispute or justification.

The reality is that the development antagonists have had 60 days (twice the normal amount) of public display to mount a credible argument to discount the development proponent's proposal and they've come up with sweet FA.

What did they come up with?

Zilch!

Lots of unfounded, hysterical opinion and indignant breast beating but not any credible evidence to establish or reinforce their case. No expert research, evidence or conclusion, just a bunch histrionic clap-trap more befitting a court room scene in the movie Mississippi Burning.

No doubt the Department of Planning will give the NIMBY's case the credence it deserves.

No shit Sherlock. Go read my objections again. I believe they stack up well compared to the dribble on your pro development form letters.

The Chairman sounds confident.

And why wouldn't he be, based on weight of popular opinion evidenced in the public submissions.

It's just those pesky Agency Submissions who wouldn't come to the party. But hey, who's going to listen to them anyway. After all who are those Agencies anyway?

Just the government.

Does that include the 1200 odd objections I hear were sent to the Planning Dept on the last day with more to come in. And 99% from residents in C'bah, Woolooware and Cronulla.

I can't believe my first post is in reply to this dribble!! Coupe you are a goose!
You are either ignorant or lacking common sense - which is it?

Go read the thread again and the other on the main page.

That is a flat out, bald faced, brazen lie. You are slipping r2coupe. There were more like 4 anti protestors there, up the back in their straw hats, whispering and nattering to each other. And they were in their 50s.



I know a few objectors. Only 2 are in their 30s. None are in their 20s and most are 50+. One is 96 and I am not joking.



The figures are there to be seen. The clearing of the debt alone will "save" the club. This is not a debateable point.



I have heard only one life member in opposition to the development and I know a few (unless Capsis is a life member, and if he is his membership should be revoked). His name is Jack and he is about 806 years old and while he was a very good for the Sharks in the 70s now he is just a pain in the arse. The rest of them, to a man, is in total support of the plan. Gow, Healy, ET, etc etc etc.

Coupe, a serious question, have you been out of Shire lately? Are you aware that Cronulla and Caringbah actually lacks a modern, vibrant restaurant/entertainment zone? The mall and beachfront is tired and needs shaking up. Compare it to say, Bondi Junction or Coogee beach, or Noosa. If you want your property prices to continue increasing, you need "amenity" (your word not mine) and a development like this will rocket the area into the 21st century.

Go have a look around. Look at what they did in Rhodes. Look at the Bondi Junction entertainment precinct (restaurants, movies). Then tell me that this is a sh*t development.

What about a founding member of your club and life members. You make many assumptions and none are correct. Many in their 30s and 40s object and are local residents.

Newman, you amuse me. I get it now, this is all about affordable housing and providing a more vibrant shopping centre. Why don't you stop and think for awhile about our local businesses which may lose out and the potential to damage the amenity and environment? There have been no objections to Meriton or the new developments near 7 Eleven. Why, because most realise new housing is needed. However, as put by one female resident, the Sharks proposal is so gross it is obscene. I couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[Ausguy]

Sherlock, the amenity of being able to live in an outer southern suburb of Sydney with beautifual Woolooware Bay, the more relaxed lifestyle of the Shire, beaches and bushland.

To be fair that is the worst responce ever.

Exactly what do you do with the wooloware bay portion the sharks are going to develop? I mean the messy smelly full of rubbish mangrove? What are you personally going to lose??

As for a relaxed lifestyle that is not a loss of amenity, amenity is something tangible. What exactly are you losing by the sharks developing their own playing fields and carpark?

The beach will still be there, and bushland? What bushland.

Oh and i just have to say sherlock, cos i felt i had to.

 

[R2Coupe]

Oh that is right, the 8 towers between 13 to 16 storeys adjacent to the RAMSAR protected wetlands are going to better protect them!

And the new State bus service .......... well we better not mention that now.

Park and ride ...................... is Waterfall to far away? Wollongong?

And the bar in the drawing of the non existant Cronulla High fields which isn't allowed by Education.

 

[Ausguy]

Nothing to do with amenity.

What are YOU losing???

 

[R2Coupe]

You expect to sell the proposal with residents and yet basic issues such as transport, other playing fields and game day parking are not what they appear. Not a good look at all.

 

[Ausguy]

I dont expect to sell anything to anyone.

You wont change your mind based on what i tell you.

I couldnt care less what you think Nimby.

What amenity are you losing by the sharks developing 2 privatley owned fields and the worst carpark in woolooware?

 

[newman]

You are losing physically and metaphorically r2coupe and it's getting ugly. desperation is not a good look.

 

[Megalodon]

dribble, dribble dribble, sherlock, dribble, dribble, sherlock, dribble, dribblle dribble...

Embarrassing.

Perhaps you you need to acquaint yourself with what is actually covered by the RAMSAR wetlands agreement.

Visit http://www.environment.gov.au/water/topics/wetlands/database/maps/pubs/23-0-s.pdf and http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/wetlands/ramsardetails.pl?refcode=23# to get the ACTUAL verified boundaries of the RAMSAR protected wetlands.

Cool story bro, but you might as well go in hard against the Sydney Airport Authority, Sydney Ports (Port Botany Container Terminal) and Rockdale LGA to stop development under their auspices.

In fact, many parts of the Towra Point RAMSAR wetlands are closer in proximity and more directly affected by properties within the Rockdale LGA than the Sharks proposed development.

 

[yadamisha]

Oh that is right, the 8 towers between 13 to 16 storeys adjacent to the RAMSAR protected wetlands are going to better protect them!

And the new State bus service .......... well we better not mention that now.

Park and ride ...................... is Waterfall to far away? Wollongong?

And the bar in the drawing of the non existant Cronulla High fields which isn't allowed by Education.

One tower is 16 another 13 the others are 10 and less inc podium, not 8 x 16 are the fear mungers will try and make you believe. Most developments in the Shire now are 8 storeys, currently 3 being built in Sutho.

If built, the bus service will be looked at, just because there isn't one planned now means nothing. Why would there be now in the suburb with the lowest density of housing in the Shire. This is why the suburb is designated by the council as an area which needs to have higher density housing. Besides there is a train station in walking distance anyway.

And since when do you need a bar to play junior rugby league, that won't stop the move. They want to drink they can do it in the new leagues club bar. CCJRLC exist at the behest of the senior club as they exist on club land.

Only 1,200 - they were hoping for 20,000:crazy:. Signed petitions count as one submission which is why pro didn't bother. 1700 submissions now displayed and continue to run 70% in favour, including more locals for than against, including the surrounding suburbs. Alot more are yet to be displayed. Anything more 10% for is deemed a success for the pro faction.

It will be built, just depends on how high. I have yet to hear a credible argument against which is not easy refutted. Traffic - :lol: come to the Western half of the Shire to experience traffic. Not an issue.

And why is game parking an issue? Name one suburban ground that has ample parking in the NRL. They claim loss of game day parking and yet ignore that the leagues club car park is doubled!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Megalodon]

The yellow line represents the extent of the official boundaries of the RAMSAR protected wetlands.

The blue line represents the total envelope of the proposed Sharks development.

Got any more straws to grasp at?

Seriously, the "our sensitive mangroves and heritage wetlands" argument is becoming ridiculous now.

 

[carcharias]

Haha poor old coupe still bangin on about a floodplain.
You'd think a bloke who makes such a claim would keep his mouth shut
during a period of continued deluge.

You guys ok down there coupe?
How are the levee's?
Stocked up on baked beans, candles and fresh water?

 

[kurtz]

Hey Chairman, what about a map showing the "Nationally Important Wetland" boundary and the development boundary?

What are your thoughts on wetlands that are "nationally important"? Not important?

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Hey Chairman, what about a map showing the "Nationally Important Wetland" boundary and the development boundary?

What are your thoughts on wetlands that are "nationally important"? Not important?

Too lazy to show them yourself? So what you are saying is that there are mangroves that are not important to local people , but are important to people in Cairns for example. & then there are some wetlands that are really important to people in Griffith, but locals don't think much of them.
If it is not obvious to you that this already fails the common sense test for decision makers, then you are quite daft.

 

[Ausguy]

oh and by the way... he isnt the chairman... but still associated.