Team list Tuesday ! Trial vs Raiders

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  1. Obscene Assassin

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    Increased penalties also meant there was more dead ball time, this favoured the teams with bigger packs.
     
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    Mannah runs on the field just to take hit-ups off kick returns. Really messes up our interchanges.
     
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    They’re not ‘most teams’ though are they? They also seem to be able to accumulate better players, meaning it’s hard to point the finger at superior coaching as the reason.
     
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    It would be easy to get. Champion Data has numbers for kick returns and kick return metres. That’s why they’re the champions of data.

    Just compare those numbers to total runs and metres.

    I couldn’t be bothered but.
     
  5. I'm a loser baby...

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    What I meant to say was, "That's bullshit".
     
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    I suspect it’s true.

    There was a time when Mannah probably did have the quickest play-the-ball in the NRL, but wrestling stopped that. He’s been a defensive player (and a very good one) for years. But even the work rate appeared to be missing against Canberra.

    That said, defensive work rate is often only apparent in the stats. It’s not the sort of thing you really notice in real time because it’s boring.
     
  7. hindy111

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    Look Mannah and Alvaro have no balls. They do not hurt the opposition. Terepo may not have heaps of leg drive but he would leave the defense sore and bruised.
    Happy to have Alvaro or Mannah in team but prefer not both. Too soft.
     
  8. I'm a loser baby...

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    Can you get a player's yearly stats on champion data? All I seem able to get is individual match stats, which doesn't have kick returns or krm.
    Anyway, I'd be surprised if Mannah's gone downhill all of a sudden. He was pretty good in attack IMO last year.
     
  9. Bazal

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    It totally does have kick return metres. It's next to Dummy Half Run metres and passes/offloads.

    And Mannah does usually have a large chunk of his metres as kick returns. Round One (for eg) he made 137m, 42 off 3 kick returns.

    Round 2 he made almost half his metres off kick returns...

    He looked shit in the trial. I've always been a Mannah fan too, but I do think he's the kind of player who susceptible to a sudden crash in output. We'll see how he goes, one trial doesn't doom the bloke.
     
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    I found it now and looked at the first eight rounds and Hindy111 is right. He does take the most returns by far. Still, he's been a valuable contributor and if I had to bet I'd say he will be again this year. It's not like he's got dodgy joints.
     
  11. Chipmunk

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    The Sharks are another one that go pretty well inside the 20.

    It appears that the teams who finish higher up the ladder don't have an issue.

    Souths had little to do with having superior players to other teams.
     
  12. Poupou Escobar

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    True there's no per-player stats, but the per-game stats do have kick return numbers.

    A biro, a napkin and an abacus is all it takes to get the percentage of metres generated through kick returns. I could probably work it out in 20 minutes but I'm spending nearly every night at home now and don't have the free time I used to.
    I thought he's always been a solid first grader. If he played for a strong club he would've played a lot more Origin.
     
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    Call it superior middle forwards then. How well you go inside the 20 all comes down to quick play-the-balls.
     
  14. hindy111

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    I wouldnt judge Mannah on a trial. If anyone is going to take a trial lightly its a 30yld veteran ffs.
     
  15. Poupou Escobar

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    The blokes with something to play for were all the fringies in Canberra's lineup. Plus the handful in ours.
     
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    I never noticed this but now that I've stopped drinking I think @hindy111 knows his league.
     
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    I'd probably agree. But you'd think after a decade of playing the ball slowly most years and being crap and the only year we finished top 4 was when we played the ball faster, we might have learnt something out of all that.
     
  18. hindy111

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    I drank a whole bottle of red wine last night. It took 5.5hours.
     
  19. Chipmunk

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    Handful?

    You mean like a handful as in Parry, Hoffman, GJennings, Salmon, Brown, Lane, Niukore, Mahoney, Terepo, Kaufusi, Davies, Dunster, Utoikamanu and probably Gower?
     
  20. I'm a loser baby...

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    You're not supposed to lap it from a bowl.
     
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