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Poupou Escobar

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What was the average minutes played per match by Joey Lussick during the 2022 and 2023 English Super League seasons


Joey Lussick played 52 matches for St Helens in the 2022 and 2023 English Super League seasons, for a total of 2,680 minutes. His average minutes played per match was 51.8 minutes.
Here is a breakdown of his minutes played per match:
  • 2022 season: 27 matches, 1407 minutes, 51.7 minutes per match
  • 2023 season: 25 matches, 1273 minutes, 50.9 minutes per match

In how many games did he play the full 80 minutes

Joey Lussick played the full 80 minutes in 12 of his 52 matches for St Helens in the 2022 and 2023 English Super League seasons.

Here is a list of the matches in which he played the full 80 minutes:

2022 season:
Wigan Warriors (22 April)
Catalans Dragons (29 April)
Hull KR (6 May)
Leeds Rhinos (20 May)
Salford Red Devils (10 June)
Warrington Wolves (24 June)
2023 season:
Wakefield Trinity (12 February)
Hull FC (19 February)
Wigan Warriors (26 February)
Catalans Dragons (5 March)


So....5 months since he has played 80 minutes. If you take out the 12 games where he has played 80, he's averaged 43 minutes a game in the other 40 matches.

We all know now, you'd think the coaching staff would be aware of this. If they play him for 80 minutes and he fatigues badly, then it's on the coaching staff and no one else.

You'd have to think someone (I suspect Hopgood) will have to play dummy half at some point.
Plenty of middle defenders play 80 minutes, and plenty of them make a lot more runs than the typical dummy half. In attack the hooker basically gets to take a breather. Five runs and fifty tackles in 80 minutes isn’t a huge workload.

But yes, if he’s fingered you’d think Hopgood will take over at dummy half.
 

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Plenty of middle defenders play 80 minutes, and plenty of them make a lot more runs than the typical dummy half. In attack the hooker basically gets to take a breather. Five runs and fifty tackles in 80 minutes isn’t a huge workload.

But yes, if he’s fingered you’d think Hopgood will take over at dummy half.
Plenty do, but the point is, he often doesn't play much more than half a game, and hasn't played 80 minutes for 5 months.
 

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Plenty do, but the point is, he often doesn't play much more than half a game, and hasn't played 80 minutes for 5 months.
Does that mean he can't? He was in a team with James Roby ffs. There was no need to give him 80 minutes. Obviously his effectiveness declines with minutes played. This is true for any middle defender, including Isaah Yeo. The question is whether it declines enough to justify using an interchange (or two) to give him a rest. The coaching staff know their aerobic capacity; Lussick would have undergone plenty of testing when he got here. It's their call on how many minutes the player can play and how the limited interchanges should be used. And if it all goes wrong, then it seems we agree that Hopgood can take over at dummy half while Lussick dry retches on the sideline.
 

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Does that mean he can't? He was in a team with James Roby ffs. There was no need to give him 80 minutes. Obviously his effectiveness declines with minutes played. This is true for any middle defender, including Isaah Yeo. The question is whether it declines enough to justify using an interchange (or two) to give him a rest. The coaching staff know their aerobic capacity; Lussick would have undergone plenty of testing when he got here. It's their call on how many minutes the player can play and how the limited interchanges should be used. And if it all goes wrong, then it seems we agree that Hopgood can take over at dummy half while Lussick dry retches on the sideline.
They didn't seem to know Hodgson wouldn't be effective for 80 minutes though, as that appeared to be the plan for Hodgson at first, even though presumably they did the same testing as you allude to. Why would they know any better with Lussick before they've tried it.
 
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In an eerie parallel to Hodgson, Pou might need to self-test his forum effectiveness... It's been waning a lot of late - he might be gassed after his consistent (albeit failing) efforts, and need to be medically retired?
 

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And in Hodgson's best game he played 84 minutes against the side who belted us on the weekend.
He was an unknown factor coming back from the best part of 2 seasons on the sidelines through injury. Once teams worked out (as in the following week) that he was ill-disciplined, slow and had questionable defence in the middle they targeted him and exposed him like the proverbial chicken of Portuguese extraction....
 

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Ah and then they bizarrely stopped targeting him in other weeks?


The fact is his defence, like any hooker, depends on the level of support they get from team mates. Merkins were crowing about Hands' defence until he had a couple of games where the fat boys left him posted and suddenly he looked "ill-disciplined, slow and had questionable defence in the middle".

 

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Ah and then they bizarrely stopped targeting him in other weeks?


The fact is his defence, like any hooker, depends on the level of support they get from team mates. Merkins were crowing about Hands' defence until he had a couple of games where the fat boys left him posted and suddenly he looked "ill-disciplined, slow and had questionable defence in the middle".

My post was in jest mostly... Really I was just calling it as I saw it.... And stats have now lost all meaning given Junior's numbers last week which proved once and for all that you might as well try and read tea leaves and see you if they can tell you anything about a first graders performance given the "stats" made it sound like Barlow had a ripper of a game V the Storm... He was f**ked. f**ked I tell ya...
 

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My post was in jest mostly... Really I was just calling it as I saw it.... And stats have now lost all meaning given Junior's numbers last week which proved once and for all that you might as well try and read tea leaves and see you if they can tell you anything about a first graders performance given the "stats" made it sound like Barlow had a ripper of a game V the Storm... He was f**ked. f**ked I tell ya...
His defensive stats were poor. You just need to know what to look for:

MerkinMinutesTacklesTackles per minute
Hopgood75580.77
Ofahengaue26190.73
Ogden24170.71
Lussick52310.60
Moretti17100.59
Hands28150.54
Paulo54280.52

On a side note, Hopgood's effort was phenomenal, maintaining that work rate over 75 minutes. Not quite McInnes level, but Hopgood offers more in attack.
 

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According to Google Bard

What was the average minutes played per match by Joey Lussick during the 2022 and 2023 English Super League seasons


Joey Lussick played 52 matches for St Helens in the 2022 and 2023 English Super League seasons, for a total of 2,680 minutes. His average minutes played per match was 51.8 minutes.
Here is a breakdown of his minutes played per match:
  • 2022 season: 27 matches, 1407 minutes, 51.7 minutes per match
  • 2023 season: 25 matches, 1273 minutes, 50.9 minutes per match

In how many games did he play the full 80 minutes

Joey Lussick played the full 80 minutes in 12 of his 52 matches for St Helens in the 2022 and 2023 English Super League seasons.

Here is a list of the matches in which he played the full 80 minutes:

2022 season:
Wigan Warriors (22 April)
Catalans Dragons (29 April)
Hull KR (6 May)
Leeds Rhinos (20 May)
Salford Red Devils (10 June)
Warrington Wolves (24 June)
2023 season:
Wakefield Trinity (12 February)
Hull FC (19 February)
Wigan Warriors (26 February)
Catalans Dragons (5 March)


So....5 months since he has played 80 minutes. If you take out the 12 games where he has played 80, he's averaged 43 minutes a game in the other 40 matches.

We all know now, you'd think the coaching staff would be aware of this. If they play him for 80 minutes and he fatigues badly, then it's on the coaching staff and no one else.

You'd have to think someone (I suspect Hopgood) will have to play dummy half at some point.
80 games. Gotcha.
 

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