Team v Bulldogs

[Meth]

Hard to know what to do, really....

1- Tuivasa-Sheck
2- Lolohea
3- Ayshford
4- Kata
5- Wright
6- Johnson
7- Robson
8- Lillyman
9- Luke
10- Matulino
11- Mannering
12- Hoffman
13- Gubb

Res- Lisone, Vete, Gavet, Leuluai

So, for me, 1 positional change- Gubb starting at 13- and one team change- Gavet in for Hurrell.

I feel like I am rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[Iron Lion]

You cant keep doing what you have always done, this is shaping up for another stinker of a season. Now is the time to make the calls early in the season, this ship aint going to stablise itself.

1)RTS
2)Fusitiua (leave the club or succeed
3)Asyhford
4)Hurrell (leave the club or succeed)
5)Kata
6)Lolohea
7)Leulaui
8)Vete
9)Luke
10)Sipley
11)Hoffman
12)Matulino
13)Thompson/Lisone

14)Tevaga
15)Sipley
16)Lauitiiti/Vatuvei(if fit)
17)Gubb

Mannering/ Lillyman/ Johnson/ Robson/ Wright -reserve grade where they belong.

 

[JJ]

I am not sure who's funnier, Iron Lion or Andrew McFadden

McFadden will almost certainly make no changes aside from injuries, or perhaps dropping Hurrell - cos that's how he rolls

 

[Rich102]

I'd like to see how he rolls down Mt Eden.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

We can carry either Hurrell or Leuluai on the bench but not both. Need to have 3 big guys on the bench, and concentrate on going forward before anything else.
Would seriously consider starting TL and dropping Robson. Probably wouldn't muck with the backline otherwise.

 

[jaseg]

We can carry either Hurrell or Leuluai on the bench but not both. Need to have 3 big guys on the bench, and concentrate on going forward before anything else.
Would seriously consider starting TL and dropping Robson. Probably wouldn't muck with the backline otherwise.

I don't think we do need to carry 3 big guys on the bench... we can get plenty more minutes out of the guys we already have tbh. On the weekend Lisone & Vete both only played 24 and Gubb 28 (and Lillyman can easily play more than his 44 on Saturday if required). It's just bad rotation I think, more than needing extra options.

I'd go something like;

Tuivasa-Sheck
Lolohea
Ayshford
Kata
Allwood/Fusitua (if either is fit, if not then Wright.. Jono was fine but those guys are better)
Johnson
Robson (didn't make any major errors, gets a 1 week reprieve)
Lillyman
Luke
Matulino
Mannering
Hoffman
Lisone (ffs when he's playing well don't take him off, let him play as much time as possible)

Leuluai (comes on for injury, Robson being bad or an attempt to force the team to play more direct from DH if required)
Vete (bad defending, but survives on his runs, desperation play and Gubb being worse)
Ali/Sao/Sipley (Gavet's a penalty machine, I still don't trust him - and Gubb was bad)
Hurrell (has made an impact, but still just waiting for Lane to lay his claim via reserve grade)

 

[Iron Lion]

Your guys team selections is just feeding the cancer that is the Warriors. I wouldnt f@ck around in chopping out the wood. You want to win right and a new team culture? that's exactly how you do it.

 

[JJ]

(ffs when he's playing well don't take him off, let him play as much time as possible)

Is it just me or is this a real feature of McFadden? I remember a few weeks back (not sure which game) Vete had a very strong opening 15 mins or so, then whipped off... it's like he has no feel for what's going on, he has a recipe which must be adhered to

 

[Meth]

If it were up to me, I'd like Lolohea to be in the centres instead of either Kata or Ayshford- the problem is that both Kata and Ayshford are playing well enough.

I'd also like Fusitua or Allwood ahead of Wright, but Wright played ok on the weekend and seems to be seen as the reliable replacement for Vatuvei.

I'd like to see Sipley come in, and no doubt he will at some stage, but who does he replace? Lisone? Vete? Gubb? They all seem to be playing ok.

I agree with SpaceMonkey. Hurrell or TL. Not both. Not sure that Hurrell has necessarily been given enough of an opportunity, but I am not sure he has taken the opportunity given to him either. I am probably on the 'centre or nowhere' train for him at the moment.

 

[Rich102]

1. RTS.
2. Lolohea
3. Hurrell.
4. Kata
5. Wright
6. Hingano.
7. Robson
8. Matulino
9. Luke
10. Lillyman
11. mannering
12. Hoffman
13. Thompson / Sao

14. Leuluai
15. Lisone
16. Gavet
17. Gubb..

No changes only indicates satisfaction with the team and I am not satisfied.

 

[Benek]

Can we tie Johnson's salary to his running metres? If the kid went in to each game thinking he needs to run the ball 50% of his touches he'd be a great player. Either his talent is being coached out of him by our lack of attacking gameplan, or he's simply ignoring the gameplan because he's too pussy to take on the line. Either of the scenarios stinks and needs to be addressed right now. I can't watch another game with him lazily shovelling off each ball to the next man out and never even remotely challenging or surprising the defence.

 

[Meth]

1. RTS.
2. Lolohea
3. Hurrell.
4. Kata
5. Wright
6. Hingano.
7. Robson
8. Matulino
9. Luke
10. Lillyman
11. mannering
12. Hoffman
13. Thompson / Sao

14. Leuluai
15. Lisone
16. Gavet
17. Gubb..

No changes only indicates satisfaction with the team and I am not satisfied.

So, drop Ayshford, Johnson and Vete?

Seems odd

 

[JJ]

Johnson's turning into a poor version of the current Benji

McFadden won't change anything, and there's only so many sprays that will work

Given his crap 1:1 defence I'd be tempted to swap RTS and Lolo - RTS will still get hugely involved, but he's wasted as a hit up man, they have to put on plays to find him space

Everyone's bagging Robson, and rightly so, but IMO Johnson's the one to drop - if he's not dropped on the shit he's producing now he simply will never be dropped.

Not sure where Bodene should go, I like more punch from the forwards - but it does seem (as someone - jaseg?) pointed out, when Vete, Lisone, Gubb, or Gavet actually start looking strong McFadden pulls them off :crazy:

Given the absence of anything resembling a game plan, the team lives or dies off Johnson - who's creating nothing

Needs a shake-up, but doubt there will be one - be sad for McFadden to continue like this - he has to be a dead man walking, might as well try something different, surely?

 

[Penrose_11]

Here's my go at the team for this week.

1. RTS
2. Lolohea
3. Ashford
4. Hurrell (centre or nothing)
5. Kata (plays like a winger n not a centre - doesn't pass but good with ball in hand)
6. Johnson
7. Leulaui (let him run the game and boss SJ around)
8. Vete/ Lisone
9. Luke
10. Mutalino
11. Mannering
12. Hoffman
13. Sao

14. Tevaga
15. Lilliman
16. Lane (gotta play him against his old team - fire up son)
17. Lisione/ Vete

Neither SJ or Robson are running the team around the park. When TL was on the field, you could see him talking and pushing players were they needed to be. He. Was wanting the ball in his hands. The key is our halves. Once we get the right mix, things going to click. TL ran at that line and as we all know, it keeps defenders 2nd guessing themselves. With both SJ and Robson passing and not creating, our outside backs are dead in the water.

For me, McFaddens gotta go. He's never gonna walk as this shows he admittscheccant do it and will never get another gig anywhere. If he's pushed (into 3rd season now, so going to happen soon at this rate), I'd hire Toovey. At least he has no history with club or players, so had opportunity to come in and weald a big stick. My fear with Cleary is that it might be same same, as has coached a lot of these boys in his previous stint.

 

[Meth]

Johnson's turning into a poor version of the current Benji

McFadden won't change anything, and there's only so many sprays that will work

Given his crap 1:1 defence I'd be tempted to swap RTS and Lolo - RTS will still get hugely involved, but he's wasted as a hit up man, they have to put on plays to find him space

Everyone's bagging Robson, and rightly so, but IMO Johnson's the one to drop - if he's not dropped on the shit he's producing now he simply will never be dropped.

Not sure where Bodene should go, I like more punch from the forwards - but it does seem (as someone - jaseg?) pointed out, when Vete, Lisone, Gubb, or Gavet actually start looking strong McFadden pulls them off :crazy:

Given the absence of anything resembling a game plan, the team lives or dies off Johnson - who's creating nothing

Needs a shake-up, but doubt there will be one - be sad for McFadden to continue like this - he has to be a dead man walking, might as well try something different, surely?

YES!!

McFadden's use of Vete, Lisone and Gubb is puzzling- maybe that's the cost of giving Matulino and Lillyman (and Hoffman and Mannering) big minutes, as well as playing Hurrell as a forward interchange.

 

[sup42]

Our inexperienced interchange Props will be getting told they are there for impact, to shift the momentum up a gear.

They will know before they run out there that they say 'fifteen minutes" to go hell for leather then they get a well earned sub out.

It is a tactic plenty of teams have used for big younger forwards for a long time.

A lot of teams do it.

The Warriors seem to be trying to develop a group of these forward types.

Probably to offset their long minute tradesmen like backrow.

Their experienced Props (they only have two) have to pace themselves and play it steady.

I wouldn't be surprised if last week....when the Warriors couldn't get through the Manly front line....someone like Vete was given the green light to offload here and there.

Came off poorly for Vete without people working that extra five percent to go with the lead runner.

You can yell at players all you want. It is really the players responsibility to work out where to be on the field.

The Coaching staff can't hold their hands and lead them to that extra percentage of effort that separates us from the big boys.

Any way for my team V the Dogs....I would fill the bench with forwards, three big dudes and old TL who plays with the heart of a big man.

 

[Rich102]

So, drop Ayshford, Johnson and Vete?

Seems odd

I think Hurrell deserves a chance in the centers. Ayshford has been good but, if he fires, Hurrell has so much more to offer.
Johnson should be dropped. Enough said.
Vete I overlooked somehow. Happy to interchange him with one of the bench forwards.

If we stick with the same old same old the season will be over before we wake up.
The Warriors cannot be allowed to continue to underperform.

 

[jamaman]

Manu will be back...Hurrell and Robson out..Gavet in.. should do it

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Your guys team selections is just feeding the cancer that is the Warriors. I wouldnt f@ck around in chopping out the wood. You want to win right and a new team culture? that's exactly how you do it.

Conversely, you've chosen in your side to move nigh-on the best performed player this year, Kata, into a new position. Seems logical.

 

[Penrose_11]

Another thing we need to stop doing is giving away those repeated shit penalties ie. This week we had Luke pushing Taupau after tackle completed. Mannering (I think) holding onto the legs well after tackle called, as Manly player continued to fight to stand up. And 2 weeks back - Lisione passing off the ground when tackle completed. These are stupid and we need more discipline.

Every team is going to get penalised for 1-2 high shots a game, for 2-3 offsides a game and for 1-2 other misc. penalties a game. If we can limit those extra sets we give away through idiot plays, it's going to help our cause.

We need to play smarter across the park as well. A current tactic we're not employing is were teams are running the ball on the final play and if they don't score, they're content to be tackled with the ball. This doesn't result in a zero tackle turn over of a 20m 7 tackle restart. Defending with 6 tackles from within the 10m is much preferred. We need to mix our predictable play up.