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The 2009 AGM Review thread.

butch82

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hey guys..
did they say anything about bigger n better sponsors ? or any ideas on more revenue raising bar memberships.

cheers
 
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Firstly to Sevens, I don't think anyone here that has commented has anything but compassion for Paul Osborne's situation, I can only empathize with his feelings and understand them. But that is not the point we are discussing.

We as the membership of the club elected seven representatives of the club, seven of them; they have appointed another, the CEO making eight. Now of those remaining six representatives, we couldn't get one of them, to the NSWRL AGM? The league our constitution affiliates us with, and the league on which our constitution is based, considering the plethora of Paper talk about this meeting being used to discuss the leagues independent commission, we could not get a single elected representative to this meeting?

I believe John Fenwick did Denis a disservice in mentioning the Life Membership to Denis, it allows other to see it him as a petty man who was upset no one from his club was there to see him receive the honour, personally that is not the problem I have with our club not having a representative.

Indeed Hellsy is right, that Paul Osborne was quite forthcoming in his praise of the club and the way it had been run, stating the only reason he accepted was that it was Parramatta and the club that it was, and that was in no small part to Denis and Alan Overton.

To Butch82, no there was no talk of sponsors, or any other form of revenue raising, Just memberships and the reduction of reliance on the leagues club.

Stagger talks about Mario Libertinni and his statements I have mentioned in my review, I spoke with Mario and Suitman in relation to the stadium, the Leagues Club board wants to see 75% of seats for Parramatta home games either Pre-sold (Season Tickets) or sold to Members only with the rest going to the General Public (Parramatta fans and Opposition supporters). If we could get Parramatta Stadium at 75% in Season Tickets, so 15671 members would be great with the Average cost of ticketed membership at $190.5 (apart from the Hayne and Platinum) would give us approx $3m a year in Membership dues.

The problem as Mario pointed out, but as I have heard before from previous club PR people and Boards is that at Parramatta Stadium, we need to get a crowd of over 7,000 people before we even start to see a single cent of profit. Which means that unless we crest 7000 ticketed memberships, our club is not making a single cent per year on the membership’s vs. the cost at the stadium, and must rely on further fans coming to the ground for any monies from attendance.

7,000 a game to break even, vs the deals some other clubs have in not having to pay a cent and indeed getting paid to play at a venue plus getting cuts of the gate and all their Membership fees then go back to the club. Mario spoke about the great atmosphere it could generate, and I am sure we all agree a packed home stadium is great, but at what cost? If we pack it out every game then yes we will make money from the other crowds but when some clubs talk about ticketed memberships to survive they already have a 2million dollar play contract at their venue, and not a approximate 1 million dollar expense. That there is a 3 million dollar turn around between a club like the Bulldogs and a club like ours.
 

parra pete

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Firstly to Sevens, I don't think anyone here that has commented has anything but compassion for Paul Osborne's situation, I can only empathize with his feelings and understand them. But that is not the point we are discussing.

We as the membership of the club elected seven representatives of the club, seven of them; they have appointed another, the CEO making eight. Now of those remaining six representatives, we couldn't get one of them, to the NSWRL AGM? The league our constitution affiliates us with, and the league on which our constitution is based, considering the plethora of Paper talk about this meeting being used to discuss the leagues independent commission, we could not get a single elected representative to this meeting?


I believe John Fenwick did Denis a disservice in mentioning the Life Membership to Denis, it allows other to see it him as a petty man who was upset no one from his club was there to see him receive the honour, personally that is not the problem I have with our club not having a representative.


Well answered Mark. I totally agree...
 

eels81236

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Firstly to Sevens, I don't think anyone here that has commented has anything but compassion for Paul Osborne's situation, I can only empathize with his feelings and understand them. But that is not the point we are discussing.

We as the membership of the club elected seven representatives of the club, seven of them; they have appointed another, the CEO making eight. Now of those remaining six representatives, we couldn't get one of them, to the NSWRL AGM? The league our constitution affiliates us with, and the league on which our constitution is based, considering the plethora of Paper talk about this meeting being used to discuss the leagues independent commission, we could not get a single elected representative to this meeting?

I believe John Fenwick did Denis a disservice in mentioning the Life Membership to Denis, it allows other to see it him as a petty man who was upset no one from his club was there to see him receive the honour, personally that is not the problem I have with our club not having a representative.

:clap:
 

JessEel

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Terry's trying to post a reply - the forums are giving him some trouble.....

Stay tuned - he may end up sending it to me for posting
 

Jodeci

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Good to see nothing has changed in regards to election debates. Where these threads even around before the new board came along?
 

Sangreal 86

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Yes I can see what you have high lighted old mate. If you actually read what I wrote, you will see that everyone is reading to much into the circumstances of non attendance to NSWRL and Denis's Life Membership. I spoke with Ray Price this morning and he had no idea before the AGM that Denis was to receive the Life Membership, so I will reiterate that I am of the belief that Ron had no idea of the Life Membership either. Ron would have had his work cut out for him getting someone there at such late notice at this time of year, with most board members having their own business or logistically impossible to get to it on time. Would it not be a duty of care issue for the NSWRL to notify the current CEO Paul Osborne, the current Football Club Chairman Ron Hilditch, or the current Leagues Club Chairman Roy Spagnolo on the honour being bestowed on Denis?? Paul's situation with his Mum set off circumstances that made Ron's choices and control of that situation impossible for someone to get there, but if the boards were notified of Denis impending Life Membership, I guarantee there would have been several board members at NSWRL Headquarters that night to honour Denis's services to the game. On what John Fenwick has said concerning this matter, I cannot comment as I do not know what John said, or the context it was in.

You have missed me 81236....have'nt you.....you looooooove me........clap!!
 

hasman

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Good to see nothing has changed in regards to election debates. Where these threads even around before the new board came along?


I think we are moving forward but we Have Dinasours who want to be heard still.

By the way stay Tuned I hear Enterainment is making its way back to the leagues club.
 

parra pete

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Yes I can see what you have high lighted old mate. If you actually read what I wrote, you will see that everyone is reading to much into the circumstances of non attendance to NSWRL and Denis's Life Membership. I spoke with Ray Price this morning and he had no idea before the AGM that Denis was to receive the Life Membership, so I will reiterate that I am of the belief that Ron had no idea of the Life Membership either. Ron would have had his work cut out for him getting someone there at such late notice at this time of year, with most board members having their own business or logistically impossible to get to it on time. Would it not be a duty of care issue for the NSWRL to notify the current CEO Paul Osborne, the current Football Club Chairman Ron Hilditch, or the current Leagues Club Chairman Roy Spagnolo on the honour being bestowed on Denis?? Paul's situation with his Mum set off circumstances that made Ron's choices and control of that situation impossible for someone to get there, but if the boards were notified of Denis impending Life Membership, I guarantee there would have been several board members at NSWRL Headquarters that night to honour Denis's services to the game. On what John Fenwick has said concerning this matter, I cannot comment as I do not know what John said, or the context it was in.

You have missed me 81236....have'nt you.....you looooooove me........clap!!

Regarding the Life Membership of Denis Fitzgerald. It would have been voted on at the AGM by the delegates....and I am sure it would have been on the Items of General Business forwarded to Clubs prior to the AGM.
I do feel for Paul Osborne and his mother's illness. My mother also passed away with cancer and it is terrible seeing someone you love suffer. AND I do understand why Paul could not attend the AGM...
Surely though, the Agenda of the AGM would have been discussed at Board level..previous to the NSWRL AGM, and delegates given a direction to vote on issues - rather than leave it up to individuals to decide, ad lib.
 

eels81236

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Yes I can see what you have high lighted old mate. If you actually read what I wrote, you will see that everyone is reading to much into the circumstances of non attendance to NSWRL and Denis's Life Membership. I spoke with Ray Price this morning and he had no idea before the AGM that Denis was to receive the Life Membership, so I will reiterate that I am of the belief that Ron had no idea of the Life Membership either. Ron would have had his work cut out for him getting someone there at such late notice at this time of year, with most board members having their own business or logistically impossible to get to it on time. Would it not be a duty of care issue for the NSWRL to notify the current CEO Paul Osborne, the current Football Club Chairman Ron Hilditch, or the current Leagues Club Chairman Roy Spagnolo on the honour being bestowed on Denis?? Paul's situation with his Mum set off circumstances that made Ron's choices and control of that situation impossible for someone to get there, but if the boards were notified of Denis impending Life Membership, I guarantee there would have been several board members at NSWRL Headquarters that night to honour Denis's services to the game. On what John Fenwick has said concerning this matter, I cannot comment as I do not know what John said, or the context it was in.

You have missed me 81236....have'nt you.....you looooooove me........clap!!

I acknowledge that you see what I highlighted. Did you comprehend it? The fact that nobody was there for Denis' Life Membership is neither here nor there as far as I am concerned. Nor Dennis for that matter from what I hear.
BTW.. thoughts to the Osborne family at this time.
 

parra pete

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I think we are moving forward but we Have Dinasours who want to be heard still.

By the way stay Tuned I hear Enterainment is making its way back to the leagues club.

It's called democracy, (i.e - from memory, but I, too, am what you would probably class a dinosaur)..BTW...Are you the entertainment? :lol:

"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." Voltaire
 
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born an eel

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so some people here feel the only need to send a delegate to the NSWRL AGM was to see DF get the honour of life membership? please grow up,stop playing the man and look at the issues.

From what I have read neither MITS or anyone feel this is the issue, in fact MITS mentioned it detracted from the real issue. I understand PO had personal issues that take precedence over any club business but why did we only ever have one representative attending in the first place. Unforeseen things pop up all the time and a contingency plan should have been in place.

I am sure "the current CEO Paul Osborne, the current Football Club Chairman Ron Hilditch, or the current Leagues Club Chairman Roy Spagnolo" would have all been informed of the meeting to take place and should have made arrangements for more than one representative to attend.
 

born an eel

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I would think that as a FC member and outgoing director he probably should have made an appearance but not knowing his personal circumstance would not like to jump to conclusions.

It just makes me wonder if his heart was really into taking on the responsibilities of a director. There is no question about his desire to help the club and do what he feels will benefit the club the most and coaching will probably be a better fit.
 

Sangreal 86

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Regarding the Life Membership of Denis Fitzgerald. It would have been voted on at the AGM by the delegates....and I am sure it would have been on the Items of General Business forwarded to Clubs prior to the AGM.
I do feel for Paul Osborne and his mother's illness. My mother also passed away with cancer and it is terrible seeing someone you love suffer. AND I do understand why Paul could not attend the AGM...
Surely though, the Agenda of the AGM would have been discussed at Board level..previous to the NSWRL AGM, and delegates given a direction to vote on issues - rather than leave it up to individuals to decide, ad lib.

Very sorry for your loss with your Mum.

All I can go on is what Ray Price told me this morning, he had no knowledge of the NSWRL giving Denis Life Membership.
 

Stagger eel

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I would think that as a FC member and outgoing director he probably should have made an appearance but not knowing his personal circumstance would not like to jump to conclusions.

It just makes me wonder if his heart was really into taking on the responsibilities of a director. There is no question about his desire to help the club and do what he feels will benefit the club the most and coaching will probably be a better fit.

personly, I think coaching is a better fit for bert and i'm told his looking forward to the challenge.

btw, i also didn't notice Dr Foong, Chris Jurd and Gary Morris at the AGM either....however I also don't know the circumstances surrounding their non appearence.
 

eels81236

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so some people here feel the only need to send a delegate to the NSWRL AGM was to see DF get the honour of life membership? please grow up,stop playing the man and look at the issues.

From what I have read neither MITS or anyone feel this is the issue, in fact MITS mentioned it detracted from the real issue. I understand PO had personal issues that take precedence over any club business but why did we only ever have one representative attending in the first place. Unforeseen things pop up all the time and a contingency plan should have been in place.

I am sure "the current CEO Paul Osborne, the current Football Club Chairman Ron Hilditch, or the current Leagues Club Chairman Roy Spagnolo" would have all been informed of the meeting to take place and should have made arrangements for more than one representative to attend.

What He said.
 

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