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Poupou Escobar

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Everybody will benefit in the long run, including the poor and the increasingly long-lived elderly.

It hurts me in the short-term too. It's called making sacrifices, and it's the only way to get ahead.
 
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It does make quite a mockery of Abbott's persistent carping about Gillard's carbon tax 'lie'.

I agree that this needed to be a tight budget.....we do need to reduce spending, but not by this amount in one go.

From a practical point of view, cutting this hard in one fell swoop runs the risk of causing a significant shock to consumer spending and employment......just need one random external event to turn this into a real problem.

And the assertions that we have a debt crisis, and a large government are just laughable.
 

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Hope so mate.

Hey with this $7 fee at the doctor, does it also apply at the hospital ED?
Might have to go there now instead.

No it doesn't which is why the hospital system will now get clogged up yet they slashed spending to hospitals so they will probably burst at the seams now.
 

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It was predictable that the conservatives would angle their way towards Economic Darwinism.

Clearly they want those "on struggle street" (hows your listeners today Alan Jones) to work it out themselves.

With zero impact on small business and company tax down, of course the rhetoric from the business community is positive.

But those young families on average incomes will be hardest hit. Not only do they need to pay more at the bowser, but also have to deal with the inflationary effect on good and services. Their family payments are down, they have to pay to see a GP AND they somehow need to work until they're 70 before they can access their super / pension.

We can see where this is going. Their goals are transparent:


  • put pressure on the states after cutting funding to health and education. This will force the states to rally and ask for the GST rate to increase. Then it won't be Abbott's decision, he will just carry out the wishes of the states.
  • He clearly thinks that the minimum wage is excessive and that penalty rates should go. With the high cost of living, I don't know where unskilled workers are going to live and how they are going to get by.
  • Youth unemployment has been hit hard. Kids under 25 will be relying on their parents. This might push some out to get a job, but in areas like the central coast or Tassie, figures are 40%. Abbott's solution is that these kids should be supported by their parents or move to regional areas that offer work.
It's interesting to watch the libs squirm when they are faced with economists who give facts why we are not in crisis. They trip over their own feet and mumble about the debt, which we all know is minuscule on the world stage.

Now we have the lib minions who smothered social media with their Ju-liar comments about the carbon tax - a tax which fundamentally is a good thing and taxes a slice of the super profits. Now these pelicans have gone underground about broken promises or claim that the libs had no choice considering the "basket case" they were left with. What rot. Every economist will tell you that it's fantasy to say that a good economy is one that is on surplus. All the roads that you drive on, the schools that you went to and the hospitals that you were born in were built by previous generations on borrowed money. Where would you be if they didn't do that ?

I worry about consumer confidence in the short term. Small businesses have had it tough for a long time and I'm expecting everyone to hit the breaks straight away.

In the long term and before the next election, punters will help build a war chest for Tony and Joe - which they will give away so they can get re-elected.

Don't you hate politics ?
 
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Maroubra Eel

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I'm glad they didn't touch negative gearing arrangements. It wouldn't be good if us battlers had to sell a couple of houses just to get by.
 

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But those young families on average incomes will be hardest hit.
Did Hockey even read what he was doing?
"Here have paid parental leave so you can have more kids, but not you rich women (aka people who actually vote liberal), you would have to take pay cut, so really paid parental leave just for you families below the rich person threshold, oh but we are funding your new parental leave by cutting your family benefits, so really we'll pay you to have kids but then you have to fund them from there, but don't worry, with kids it means you won't have to drive to work so you'll save on the petrol hike, the only time you'll really have to drive is to take your child to get immunised at your GP..."
 

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Its easy to say they want under 30s to sort it out for them selves but unemployment has risen enormously since they came into power.

There is just no jobs for them so how can they sort it out themselves.

They promised to decrease unemployment but they have increased it enormously.
 

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Hard to argue with Clive Palmer. As much as he's an unlikeable chap, I would like Joe Hockey to give a straight answer.

BTW, he's blocking the attempts to repeal the mining tax. So it's hard to accuse him of an agenda.

CHRIS UHLMANN: The billionaire Federal MP Clive Palmer says his Palmer United Party will use its votes in the incoming senate to block some of the measures announced last night.

Mr Palmer says the budget is based on a series of lies.

CLIVE PALMER: First of all it's based on the fact that they say our debt is out of control. If you get the OECD figures you see Australia has got 12 per cent of its GDP in debt. The average for the OECD of all our advanced economies is 73 per cent.

There is no debt crisis so this is an excuse to have an ideological budget, one that can hit people that they don't like.

Well I definitely oppose the co-payment. You imagine being a pensioner and earning $300 a week and you're 87 and you've got to go to the doctor four or five times a week and that takes up one third of your income because of the co-payment.

Well the debt tax again we'll oppose because there's no reason for it. I'll- if the Prime Minister can show to me where we're in debt and how we're falling out of step with the rest of the OECD, then I'll consider it. But it's not; it's just a lie.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2014/s4004087.htm
 

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Hard to argue with Clive Palmer. As much as he's an unlikeable chap, I would like Joe Hockey to give a straight answer.

BTW, he's blocking the attempts to repeal the mining tax. So it's hard to accuse him of an agenda.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2014/s4004087.htm
I've actually really warmed to the bloke, but just like with the Greens I reckon he'll do something completely stupid and I'll wonder how he got voted in
 

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Sounds like it's all going to go under with this new budget. They really should have consulted an economist first.

There's enough of them around.
 

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Sounds like it's all going to go under with this new budget. They really should have consulted an economist first.

There's enough of them around.

No you're just being cheeky.

There has been a further redistribution of wealth. That damn middle class needs to free up some of their cash and give it to those who deserve it less.

But hey, I'll just employ a cleaner full time and someone to mow my lawns and - f**k it - someone to wipe my arse too.

Then these serfs can go home to their houses on the city outskirts and live on the poverty line where they belong.
 

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No it doesn't which is why the hospital system will now get clogged up yet they slashed spending to hospitals so they will probably burst at the seams now.

Already clogged now mate, will be considerably worse

stay healthy or if you get sick, go through some hell before seeing a doc in the puplic hospital system.
 
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No you're just being cheeky.

There has been a further redistribution of wealth. That damn middle class needs to free up some of their cash and give it to those who deserve it less.

But hey, I'll just employ a cleaner full time and someone to mow my lawns and - f**k it - someone to wipe my arse too.

Then these serfs can go home to their houses on the city outskirts and live on the poverty line where they belong.

Out of curiosity, if I have managed to work my f**king ass off to now be on a great salary (and continue to work my ass off) that excludes me from all benefits, while paying about 45k tax a year, why should people I know who have 3+ kids deliberately so their wife doesn't have to work and effectively pay no tax benefit and me get f**k all and me be made to feel guilty about it?????

I also live out West and have a massive mortgage, it's not like I live in the eastern suburbs or north shore! My wife also works full time.

I'm thinking 45k is plenty of tax, while say single incomes of say 70k pay zero tax through family benefits only really earn 20k less than me and I earn over double what they do......I'm still confused why I should feel guilty that I'm "not giving enough"......

Can someone explain to me why I should support the less fortunate? I never complain about it but I'm f**king sick of seeing people on Facebook whinging about how they're losing their free f**king money, all while telling me I should pay more f**king tax to help them!
 

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No you're just being cheeky.

There has been a further redistribution of wealth. That damn middle class needs to free up some of their cash and give it to those who deserve it less.

But hey, I'll just employ a cleaner full time and someone to mow my lawns and - f**k it - someone to wipe my arse too.

Then these serfs can go home to their houses on the city outskirts and live on the poverty line where they belong.

Agreed, it would be shit if people had to work as cleaners or live in the wrong part of town.
 

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Out of curiosity, if I have managed to work my f**king ass off to now be on a great salary (and continue to work my ass off) that excludes me from all benefits, while paying about 45k tax a year, why should people I know who have 3+ kids deliberately so their wife doesn't have to work and effectively pay no tax benefit and me get f**k all and me be made to feel guilty about it?????

I also live out West and have a massive mortgage, it's not like I live in the eastern suburbs or north shore! My wife also works full time.

I'm thinking 45k is plenty of tax, while say single incomes of say 70k pay zero tax through family benefits only really earn 20k less than me and I earn over double what they do......I'm still confused why I should feel guilty that I'm "not giving enough"......

Can someone explain to me why I should support the less fortunate? I never complain about it but I'm f**king sick of seeing people on Facebook whinging about how they're losing their free f**king money, all while telling me I should pay more f**king tax to help them!

You should not feel sorry for dole bludgers and disability cheats.

Both sides of politics want these merkins exposed.

You should have compassion for the genuine less fortunate however. That's what aussies do. We don't want the unskilled, the sick or the elderly to wither on the vine and live in poverty. We don't put refugees in prison camps and deny them their basic human rights. We lend a hand to those who need us.
 
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