The 2014/15 Off Season Thread

[Gronk]

Mal and I agree on climate change, NBN (original model), same sex marriage, the Republic and social reform. So of course I have no issue with him.

I'll take anyone frankly who is prepared to enact reforms in an equitable manner and with a sensible time frame. Not try and introduce draconian ideologies by ambush and most importantly be honest with the electorate and communicate their ideas in advance so that they can be debated.

 

[hindy111]

Well Turnbull should of been there before Abbott to begin with.

 

[Gronk]

@TonyHWindsor: Don't rule out TA resigning tomorrow"

 

[Delboy]

Gronk, you were starting to make some sense, but then you follow Tony Windsor - massive fail

The reason Abbott has lost the constituency is that he had a simple issue to resolve, work on the budget, make plans to restore the economy from the vandals

Got far too tricky, left the PPL in, tried to argue that the co payment should go towards a future fund, not the deficit. Couple that with the worse salesman of the budget ( I don't count Swann as he was a complete dipstick).

That incompetency meant the things that were accomplished got no traction, very very disappointed with the execution.

Having said all that, it's terrifying that Shorten/Bowen could gain control of the country, fmd what a debacle

 

[Gronk]

Well if the LNP are smart, Shorten will not get anywhere near the lodge. So far however they are doing a great job of self destruction.

 

[strider]

Mal and I agree on climate change, NBN (original model), same sex marriage, the Republic and social reform. So of course I have no issue with him.

I'll take anyone frankly who is prepared to enact reforms in an equitable manner and with a sensible time frame. Not try and introduce draconian ideologies by ambush and most importantly be honest with the electorate and communicate their ideas in advance so that they can be debated.

cool - when Mal gets in we'll see a bit less of you in this thread then ;-)

NBN original labor model was stupidity .... republic is a waste of time and money .... but can't agree with everyone about everything - I'd take Mal over big ears any day

 

[lingard]

Not sure what your point is spider. I would just like a leader governing our country. I don't care what side of politics he comes from. Tony Abbott is not a leader. He's a f**king idiot.

Suity.

Couldn't agree more. The only reason the Liberals will keep him there is that they don't want to appear to be a rabble - as they accused labour of being. Trouble is, if you're trying to create stability by sticking with a leader (or captain, or coach) after a recent history of instability, you don't stick with the worst one in history just because he's the incumbent. You wait 'til there's one worth sticking with.

 

[lingard]

thats fair enough, suity. I'm talking about people who regularly sprout on their political beliefs like they were school kids.

my point is that a lot of people who are pissed off with the current admin, who have no intention of voting for the current govt and want them out, are acting like the possible change in leadership is some sort of win, when the reality is that it's still the same govt in power. and people who want the country governed by the other mob who are carrying on like their house is about to land on a witch, would be better served come the next election if Abbott was still there, given I think it would take a miracle for the govt to survive.

the tarring and feathering of Abbott by the anti-abbotts has been laughable at times. it's like being back at school where a kid gets picked on by a mob. most people treat politics like a popularity contest while acting like they have deep opinions.

for the record I didn't vote for the current admin (nor labor) in the last election, and if there was an election tomorrow, I wouldn't be voting for the current govt.

I don't vote Liberal. But Malcolm Turnbull is far more moderate than Abbott. I could live with a Liberal government under Turnbull. I would see it as a win for the country.

 

[lingard]

This is democracy. We don't want a leader; we want somebody to say what we want them to say and give us the things we want.

That's not leadership.

You think Tony Abbott is a good leader, then?

 

[lingard]

Mate, I am the first to admit Abbott has been a major disappointment and has not addressed things as expcted

However, until the Labour party admit that their maniacal spending spree under Gilard and Rudd was excremenet on paper we will go nowhere., We both agre the country should come first, pity that Canberra is an isolated s**thole that seems to negate simple thoughts and working together for the benefit of all

In view of the discussion between yourself and Josh, do you think that Turnbull might be a good option for the country as a whole? I get the sense that he is the one person who could bring Liberal and Labour closer to working together. What do you reckon?

 

[spiderdan]

We both agre the country should come first, pity that Canberra is an isolated s**thole that seems to negate simple thoughts and working together for the benefit of all

it's a pity your own simple thoughts don't seem to get that politicians come from all over the land, not just canberra. it probably means you don't understand why an isolated shithole is the location where political powers work from.

 

[Gronk]

Just saw Peter Wynn at Woollies.

#royalty

 

[Delboy]

Spider, think what you like, the point I was making was that that they cohabit and work in a politically chanted environment in Cnaberra and they seem to lose sight of what the electorate want

If you live there, so be it

If I had a preference currently, it would be to instal Turnbull as Treasurer, he would at least adopt a slightly more middle ground position and has the ability to sell his portfolio, and satisfy the left leaners ( even Gronk)

Hockey has been a massive failure in communicating and setting out a real strategy

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You think Tony Abbott is a good leader, then?

I don't know him personally but I'd say he is probably a strong leader. Unfortunately for him, there is no place for that in a modern democracy. Especially when the strong leader holds values outside the mainstream. He'd probably be better of running a charity organisation (but not the charity organisation many voters want the Australian government to become).

Maybe he can start up a charity to help middle class women leave the workforce to have babies, while still contributing to their families' million dollar mortgages?

 

[lingard]

I don't know him personally but I'd say he is probably a strong leader. Unfortunately for him, there is no place for that in a modern democracy. Especially when the strong leader holds values outside the mainstream. He'd probably be better of running a charity organisation (but not the charity organisation many voters want the Australian government to become).

Maybe he can start up a charity to help middle class women leave the workforce to have babies, while still contributing to their families' million dollar mortgages?

Don't confuse bloody-mindedness with strong leadership. It's not the army, mate.

 

[Bigfella]

Just saw Peter Wynn at Woollies.

#royalty

Lucky it's not some hack like brett Kenny, Eric grothe or Ray price.

#royaltyorpoliticallyuncontroversial?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Spider, think what you like, the point I was making was that that they cohabit and work in a politically chanted environment in Cnaberra and they seem to lose sight of what the electorate want

If you live there, so be it

I didn't realise that you were so PC that you choose to use the Ancient Aboriginal name for Canberra Dellboy. Good on you.

 

[bartman]

I don't vote Liberal. But Malcolm Turnbull is far more moderate than Abbott. I could live with a Liberal government under Turnbull. I would see it as a win for the country.

My thoughts precisely too.

 

[bartman]

@TonyHWindsor: Don't rule out TA resigning tomorrow"

Interesting point - if Abbott knows he doesn't have the numbers to win the first motion and prevent the spill, that might be his most dignified course of action.

Where it could all go wrong is that if his office/supporters are counting on his cabinet and whips to automatically be part of the numbers against a spill in a secret ballot, his predicted support might be out by about 15 (50% of those 30 people)?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Don't confuse bloody-mindedness with strong leadership. It's not the army, mate.

Don't confuse leadership with management.