The 2014/15 Off Season Thread

[Twizzle]

Reform requires bipartisan support. Alas it seems things have to get worse before voters will accept that entitlement is over.

The paid parental leave thing was stupid and sent mixed messages about government spending, but Gillard's mysogyny meltdown left Abbott in a position where he had to be seen to do something for women.

lol, you mean rich middle class professional women

ie: Lib Voters

 

[Gronk]

Reform requires bipartisan support. Alas it seems things have to get worse before voters will accept that entitlement is over.

The paid parental leave thing was stupid and sent mixed messages about government spending, but Gillard's mysogyny meltdown left Abbott in a position where he had to be seen to do something for women.

Well with a government with a 76-74 majority, Gillard managed to get the most reform through in history.

http://cf.datawrapper.de/VOBn8/

So perhaps Pou, it's more about what changes are being proposed. The reforms proposed by the Mad Monk are ideologically conservative and he has done little to convince anyone but his mum that they are worth while.

After all, all he has to do is convince the cross benchers in the senate and he can get anything through. It's not that hard if you put up good policy.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

lol, you mean rich middle class professional women

ie: Lib Voters

I thought it applied to all Australian women.

Also, if women have to work they're certainly not rich. The rich earn most of their money from investments, not salaries.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well with a government with a 76-74 majority, Gillard managed to get the most reform through in history.

http://cf.datawrapper.de/VOBn8/

lol passing legislation promising voters free shit isn't reform. Stealing from future generations to make life easy now is no hard sell to the kind of voters who are themselves drowning in consumer debt.

 

[Twizzle]

I thought it applied to all Australian women.

Also, if women have to work they're certainly not rich. The rich earn most of their money from investments, not salaries.

permanently employed workers, which leaves out the supermarket worker, pubs, restaurant, clubs and nurses etc ie: high percentage of the workforce

all or most of these ladies are on 20-30 hour a week contracts and some less, which dont qualify as full time

so whats left ? full time professionals like, lawyers, accountants, doctors other full time professionals

ie: the lib voters

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Educated professional women only vote Liberal do they? Gillard will be rolling in her grave.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

But is it actually higher than that Gronk?

Haven't kept up with the drama about the ABS and incorrect unemployment data. But I thought I heard that they were selling it short?

Interesting that unemployment went up (according to Gronks figures), but the info I was sent today states that employment increased during the month.

So a little bit for everyone. The Libs can boast of increasing employment, the Labour guys can knock them for an increase in unemployment, and the Greens can just f**k right off

Did old Gil from the Simpsons start compiling the data for the ABS?


"The Australian Labour Force numbers for November have just been released.

They came in significantly better than expected overall.

Australian Labour Force figures for November were:

- Employment +42,700 (consensus +15,000)
- Unemployment Rate 6.3% (consensus 6.3%)
- Participation Rate 64.7% (consensus 64.6%)

Full time employment increased by 1,800, with the remainder was made up by an increase in part-time employment of 40,800.

The previous month?s figures were revised lower by 10,400 jobs."

 

[Delboy]

As soon as the lefties own up to the mess they left the country in, and that peckerhead Shorten actually thinks of Australia and not himself, then we will get somewhere

Abbott has been far too so,, "l" liberal, should have come out with the real star of the budget, dropped the rally dumb PPL , why coY up to the feminists who there was no need

Until Abbott becomes the leaders thought he was, and Hockey gets on the front foot then no wonder they stumble

Having said all of that, how the driggin hell does anyone think Shorten is competent, if you think Abbott wS negative, what the driggin hell is Shorten

Someone put it like this, one of the. Is prepared to put the country ahead of his career, the other one his career head of the country. Welcome to currentolitics, it's all about handouts,fmd , Labout couldn't budget my household... Oh and Gronk, if you run a business would you let those morons in Labour control your finances, asked before and no answer

How long and how difficult will it be to repay the mess we are in,gee Swann. Gillard and Rudd were friggin incompetent

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm sure Gillard, Swann and co could handle a company's finances just fine, Del. Certainly better than you or I could.

They are smart, educated people with considerable administrative experience. And most companies' finances aren't subject to millions of useless whiny merkins clamouring for a handout.

 

[Suitman]

As soon as the lefties own up to the mess they left the country in, and that peckerhead Shorten actually thinks of Australia and not himself, then we will get somewhere

Abbott has been far too so,, "l" liberal, should have come out with the real star of the budget, dropped the rally dumb PPL , why coY up to the feminists who there was no need

Until Abbott becomes the leaders thought he was, and Hockey gets on the front foot then no wonder they stumble

Having said all of that, how the driggin hell does anyone think Shorten is competent, if you think Abbott wS negative, what the driggin hell is Shorten

Someone put it like this, one of the. Is prepared to put the country ahead of his career, the other one his career head of the country. Welcome to currentolitics, it's all about handouts,fmd , Labout couldn't budget my household... Oh and Gronk, if you run a business would you let those morons in Labour control your finances, asked before and no answer

How long and how difficult will it be to repay the mess we are in,gee Swann. Gillard and Rudd were friggin incompetent

You really have to stop posting messages from your iPhone.

Suity

 

[Delboy]

Yep, and should try to read it a couple of times. before posting

What a sorry state when people think the idiot Shorten is competent, that's how bad Abbott has appeared, just shows you look soft who trying to take a middle ground, sad really

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Unemployment hits 12-year high despite jump in job creation: ABS

So more jobs have actually been created and more people are actively attempting to participate in the workforce.

Surely those are both good things.

 

[Gronk]

Always good when jobs are being created. Obviously there are sectors however that are retrenching.

Bottom line is that it's a negative result with more people losing jobs than jobs being created.

Numbers will look worse next time they crunch the numbers as the 2014 school leavers will be added.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Always good when jobs are being created. Obviously there are sectors however that are retrenching.

Bottom line is that it's a negative result with more people losing jobs than jobs being created.

Numbers will look worse next time they crunch the numbers as the 2014 school leavers will be added.

The participation rate increased for sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean that more people lost their jobs compared to the # of jobs created. It could be a result of the high cost of living/housing, so house husbands/wives are now looking for work to supplement the family income. It could be a measure that the Libs tougher stance on welfare recipients is working. But its easy to spin stats to say whatever you want.

 

[Gronk]

The participation rate increased for sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean that more people lost their jobs compared to the # of jobs created. It could be a result of the high cost of living/housing, so house husbands/wives are now looking for work to supplement the family income. It could be a measure that the Libs tougher stance on welfare recipients is working. But its easy to spin stats to say whatever you want.

True

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

As soon as the lefties own up to the mess they left the country in, and that peckerhead Shorten actually thinks of Australia and not himself, then we will get somewhere

Abobtt has been far too so,, "l" liberal, should have come out with the real star of the budget, dropped the rally dumb PPL , why coY up to the feminists who there was no need

Until Abbott becomes the leaders thought he was, and Hockey gets on the front foot then no wonder they stumble

Having said all of that, how the driggin hell does anyone think Shorten is competent, if you think Abbott wS negative, what the driggin hell is Shorten

Someone put it like this, one of the. Is prepared to put the country ahead of his career, the other one his career head of the country. Welcome to currentolitics, it's all about handouts,fmd , Labout couldn't budget my household... Oh and Gronk, if you run a business would you let those morons in Labour control your finances, asked before and no answer

How long and how difficult will it be to repay the mess we are in,gee Swann. Gillard and Rudd were friggin incompetent

What a simple world you seem to live in Delboy. Coalition = good or at least passable. The rest = lefties, incompetent.

What is competent about a sucking a great chunk of cash out of the economy in one fell swoop at a time of global economic contraction (and more importantly when China is cooling off)? It ticks the ideological boxes, but few others.

Would you just have it that the coalition were deemed the perpetual and rightful rulers of the country?

 

[lingard]

Reform requires bipartisan support. Alas it seems things have to get worse before voters will accept that entitlement is over.

The paid parental leave thing was stupid and sent mixed messages about government spending, but Gillard's mysogyny meltdown left Abbott in a position where he had to be seen to do something for women.

What - throw money at rich women?

 

[lingard]

It has become apparent that the Australian public refuse to let the government tighten its belt and so Labor/Greens will be back in shortly. That's where your business confidence has gone.

Business owners have a bit of a longer outlook than who is the Treasurer. The GFC happened shortly after it became obvious that Obama would be president. Maybe just coincidence.

It has become apparent that: 1. Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey have not got the vaguest clue on how to go about tightening the country's belt, and 2. they have no idea of how to sell their ideas to the public, anyway.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What - throw money at rich women?

lol rich women don't have jobs. You must be thinking of the grasping middle classes. Hardly 'rich' when you have to work your ring out just to keep up with the Joneses.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It has become apparent that: 1. Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey have not got the vaguest clue on how to go about tightening the country's belt, and 2. they have no idea of how to sell their ideas to the public, anyway.

I think you're right about point two, but selling anything hard to the public gets even harder when opposition parties and the media are selling misinformation.