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The 2014/15 Off Season Thread

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Gronk

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The live Sky News feed has just shown a bicycle courier zoom through the parked cop cars in Elizabeth St. :lol:
 

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So when do people who take hostages and carry out a seige go from being criminals (like those Waco dudes) to being terrorists?

When all the facts are known...I thought it was obvious.

You can speculate what's going on, but we don't have all the facts yet.
 

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So when do people who take hostages and carry out a seige go from being criminals (like those Waco dudes) to being terrorists?

They're terrorists when their motivation becomes political (as opposed to personal gain).

But either term is good - it denies them legitimacy. Unfortunately 'terrorist' is a bit overdone these days. Welcome to the age of terrorism. I blame camera phones and social media.

Anyway, this won't be resolved without blood. If these idiots don't get their radio interview with Abbott they will start killing hostages. They should be aware that killing hostages is a trigger (though if they do it quietly with knives they should be able to get most of them before the cops realise and go in noisy).

These guys will be aware the government probably won't give them media time, and they are almost certainly prepared to die (or they were when they woke up this morning). The main goal will be to create a high profile incident (cheers, media), and that objective has been achieved. Hostages will die and some organisation will claim responsibility and tweet that Abbott is to blame for refusing the radio interview.

People that already hate Abbott will lap it up. Welcome to politics.
 

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Not sure, but once it is classed as terrorism the military can become involved, if it is criminal they cannot be involved.

If they do get involved the military don't negotiate, they just end things.

If the military deploy inside our own borders it's a very bad look for Australia and a massive propaganda victory for 'the terrorists'. The military won't get involved unless the cops can't cope (i.e. fortified siege with heavy weapons).
 

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In the movies nobody negotiates with terrorists.

In the movies every merkin negotiates with terrorists because it maximises the drama.

In the real world only European countries and those in the third world negotiate with terrorists. That's why European hostages are worth so much more to ransom kidnappers than Aussies and North Americans.
 

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the Telecrap have sunk to new lows

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They're terrorists when their motivation becomes political (as opposed to personal gain).

But either term is good - it denies them legitimacy. Unfortunately 'terrorist' is a bit overdone these days. Welcome to the age of terrorism. I blame camera phones and social media.

Anyway, this won't be resolved without blood. If these idiots don't get their radio interview with Abbott they will start killing hostages. They should be aware that killing hostages is a trigger (though if they do it quietly with knives they should be able to get most of them before the cops realise and go in noisy).

These guys will be aware the government probably won't give them media time, and they are almost certainly prepared to die (or they were when they woke up this morning). The main goal will be to create a high profile incident (cheers, media), and that objective has been achieved. Hostages will die and some organisation will claim responsibility and tweet that Abbott is to blame for refusing the radio interview.

People that already hate Abbott will lap it up. Welcome to politics.

well you're a cheery, optimistic little merkin aren't you

i'm starting to think this might end ok ... i would have thought the merkin might have gone off when people got away, but he didn't (apparently)
 

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I reckon he will blow his brains out and let the hostages go.Just feel like he will have a change of heart.Not sure why just what I think will happen.

Question is how long do they keep the city shut down before storming the joint?
 

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Maybe they should make a gas that puts you too sleep.You install it in a building and if there is an attack you press the button-Could be done remotely.And it knocks everyone out for an hour? An invisible gas id suggest.
 

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I reckon he will blow his brains out and let the hostages go.Just feel like he will have a change of heart.Not sure why just what I think will happen.

Question is how long do they keep the city shut down before storming the joint?

Send the footage to I.S ?
 
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