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The Amazing John Morris

1990 sharkie

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And suddenly the club who took nearly 50 years to win a comp is greedy for a quick overnight success.
IMO Morris was incredibly hard done by & should be pursuing legal options against the club.
Terrible treatment of this bloke who has done very well with a limited roster.

With that attitude you'll wait more than 50years for another one.
He may be a great bloke but he was the coach we need it's that simple.
 

1990 sharkie

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Whether it’s a pass or not cannot must be taken in context.

Finishing eighth shows he’s not terrible. Whether he is good or great relies on taking into account other factors.

Never said he was terrible but I will also say he didn't pass and that's taking everything into consideration. That is only my opinion of course and other will be against me.
 
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From the same article:



The end for Morris began with the club’s continued frustration at his procrastinations along with an inability to carry the same message from the front office all the way through to the playing group.



Morris’s two greatest supporters in the playing group are halves Shaun Johnson and Chad Townsend.

Johnson is an example of Cronulla’s great frustration with their coach.

Some time back Johnson’s management presented a two-year, $1.6 million deal to Cronulla. They seemed very hopeful at achieving this.

Morris spoke to Johnson and supported the extension. He wanted him at the club. Johnson was pleased.

Privately, though, the Sharks consulted with Morris as part of their retention talks and, in a different meeting, it was agreed that Johnson be offered a one-year deal for about $400,000.

The Sharks have other examples of Morris seemingly incapable of having the tough conversation with his players, telling them one thing while the club another.

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Shaun Johnson is a big supporter of former Sharks coach John Morris. Picture: Richard Dobson
For some time now, by way of another example, the Sharks have been in quiet negotiations to bring Will Chambers to Cronulla.

Chambers left the NRL in 2019 for Japanese rugby but the world’s COVID crisis sabotaged that and now Chambers is back in Australia hoping to secure an NRL contract.

The news broke three days ago that Cronulla was interested and Chambers has been calling Morris for the past three days, wanting to know what is happening.

Yet for reasons that have frustrated the Sharks, Morris has failed to call him back.

When asked, Morris had several concerns.

He asked club officials if Chambers was willing to play for the Sharks’ feeder club, Newtown. Of course Chambers knew there was a protocol to coming back.

More, though, the club saw this as a coach stalling, not prepared to make a decision.

He was also concerned with what he would say to the current centres once they became aware of their interest in Chambers.

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Former Storm star Will Chambers has flagged his interest in a return to the NRL with Cronulla. Picture: AAP Image/Michael Dodge
For most head coaches they are bread and butter decisions yet Morris seemed unwilling to make the call. Meanwhile, as Morris procrastinates, Chambers waits.

Morris’s procrastinations form some of the concerns Cronulla officials have that Morris is still developing into a head coach but is not completely there yet.

They are not one-off incidents.

For a club trying to get back heading towards the top of the NRL, the coach’s hesitations are frustrating.

They certainly know he has all the technical nous to be a good coach.

For some years now the Sharks have been weighed down by salary cap penalties, their cap reduced by $350,000 last season and the season before. At various times highly-paid players Josh Dugan, Matt Moylan, Andrew Fifita and Johnson have been missing for extended periods.

Yet still the Sharks have remained competitive.

Morris has steered the Sharks to the finals in each of the past two seasons.

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John Morris took the Sharks to the finals the past two seasons. Picture: Matt King/Getty Images
This, despite Cronulla owning the unusual record of not beating a top-eight team last season.

Far from upset with Morris’s shortcomings, the Sharks see it as an indication that Morris is still developing as a head coach.

That is why they began exploring the market, not ruling Morris out as the head coach for next season but not prepared to extend him with a new contract.

But the changing narratives have constantly frustrated the club and confirmed the belief he is still developing into a head coach.

Against that, Fitzgibbon interviewed as a coach with firm beliefs.



Soon after Fitzgibbon signed his deal on Tuesday, Sharks boss Dino Mezzatesta called in Morris to tell him.

He was gone before dinner, assistant Josh Hannay taking over immediately.

Sounds like he didnt want chambers . Wonder if fitzgibbon and Bellamy will get same treatment over player they dont want. As for hard conversation with SJ WTF? surely Management and recruitment officer make the final decision on the contract price . Surely they want coach removed from that so he isnt dealing with Disgruntled players due to things he has no control over ? Some clutching at straws there to prove their point.
 
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Sounds like he didnt want chambers . Wonder if fitgibbon and Bellamy will get same treatment over player they dont want. As for hard conversation with SJ WTF? surely Management and recruitment officer make the final decision on the contract price . Surely they want coach removed from that so he isnt dealing with Disgruntled players due to things he has no control over ? Some clutching at straws there to prove their point.
Actually says he didn’t want to tell his existing centres that’s why he was ignoring making the call.

anyway, doesn’t matter now.
 
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Whether it’s a pass or not cannot must be taken in context.

Finishing eighth shows he’s not terrible. Whether he is good or great relies on taking into account other factors.

Falling into the 8 is a bit like getting a root at the end of the night with a fat chick.

You got a root but do you judge the night a success?

And are you happy about settling for roots with fat chicks or do you aspire to bang and 8 or a 9?
 
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Actually says he didn’t want to tell his existing centres that’s why he was ignoring making the call.

anyway, doesn’t matter now.
well didnt want to tell them cause he didnt want chambers Anyway done and dusted as you say just sounds like Orr and Morris not only ones throwing shite. Maybe Morris is getting that hard edge now that everyone said he needed
 
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well didnt want to tell them cause he didnt want chambers Anyway done and dusted as you say just sounds like Orr and Morris not only ones throwing shite. Maybe Morris is getting that hard edge now that everyone said he needed
Hope so mate, but no matter what was really said / done, I honestly hope he moves forward and bounces back to a new challenge very soon.
 
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Falling into the 8 is a bit like getting a root at the end of the night with a fat chick.

You got a root but do you judge the night a success?

And are you happy about settling for roots with fat chicks or do you aspire to bang and 8 or a 9?
I suppose it might depend if youve had a thousand beers at northies first . FMD At least toby was funny and not even being derogatory to anyone except the idiots interviewing him.
 
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And suddenly the club who took nearly 50 years to win a comp is greedy for a quick overnight success.
IMO Morris was incredibly hard done by & should be pursuing legal options against the club.
Terrible treatment of this bloke who has done very well with a limited roster.

Overnight success?

Who said that?

We are building a sustained power house club. The wheels have been in motion for quite awhile.

We have had the development ticked off :white_check_mark:

We got a great junior system established. :white_check_mark:

We bought a Golf Club for cash that makes a profit of $1million a year. :white_check_mark:

The same Golf Club has some land that can be developed.

We will have a brand new modern leagues Club in a year or 2. :white_check_mark:

Upgraded stadium. :white_check_mark:

We just signed up one of the best upcoming coaches. :white_check_mark:

That same coach wants to bring over to the Club one of the best assistant coaches going around.

We are still in the mix for Craig Bellamy as a Coaching Director.

Better watch out I think the next plan is to buy Kogarah Oval and put units on it.....

Oh and a Drag Queen supporter criticising our Club of wanting overnight success is just too funny. Pot calling the kettle black? Lol
 
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Overnight success?

Who said that?

We are building a sustained power house club. The wheels have been in motion for quite awhile.

We have had the development ticked off :white_check_mark:

We got a great junior system established. :white_check_mark:

We bought a Golf Club for cash that makes a profit of $1million a year. :white_check_mark:

The same Golf Club has some land that can be developed.

We will have a brand new modern leagues Club in a year or 2. :white_check_mark:

Upgraded stadium. :white_check_mark:

We just signed up one of the best upcoming coaches. :white_check_mark:

That same coach wants to bring over to the Club one of the best assistant coaches going around.

We are still in the mix for Craig Bellamy as a Coaching Director.

Better watch out I think the next plan is to buy Kogarah Oval and put units on it.....
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1990 sharkie

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Overnight success?

Who said that?

We are building a sustained power house club. The wheels have been in motion for quite awhile.

We have had the development ticked off :white_check_mark:

We got a great junior system established. :white_check_mark:

We bought a Golf Club for cash that makes a profit of $1million a year. :white_check_mark:

The same Golf Club has some land that can be developed.

We will have a brand new modern leagues Club in a year or 2. :white_check_mark:

Upgraded stadium. :white_check_mark:

We just signed up one of the best upcoming coaches. :white_check_mark:

That same coach wants to bring over to the Club one of the best assistant coaches going around.

We are still in the mix for Craig Bellamy as a Coaching Director.

Better watch out I think the next plan is to buy Kogarah Oval and put units on it.....

Oh and a Drag Queen supporter criticising our Club of wanting overnight success is just too funny. Pot calling the kettle black? Lol

But we hurt Morris feelings in doing so? What's more important the future of your club or a club man turned coach got his feelings hurt for not doing his job
 

Generalzod

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And suddenly the club who took nearly 50 years to win a comp is greedy for a quick overnight success.
IMO Morris was incredibly hard done by & should be pursuing legal options against the club.
Terrible treatment of this bloke who has done very well with a limited roster.
Quick overnight success oh yeah is it not why you changed your coach....
 
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But we hurt Morris feelings in doing so? What's more important the future of your club or a club man turned coach got his feelings hurt for not doing his job

If you look through Rugby League history. Success is littered on and off the field with people who were tough, uncompromising, aggressive, focused, determined, win at all costs, last man standing, killer instinct, ruthless, clinical types of mind sets and physical attributes.

The choir boys, weaklings, passive and happy to finish 2nd types are not want you want on your roster or coaching your team.

Nor do you want them running your Club!!

Great to see the Club being labelled in the first description these days. We are on the right track for once. Hopefully they are allowed to continue their wonderful work so they can shut some media gobs in the future.
 

Quicksilver

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We signed a coach with a total of zero NRL games and are celebrating like we won the Melbourne Cup... talk about mediocre goals. Lol
 

Generalzod

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Overnight success?

Who said that?

We are building a sustained power house club. The wheels have been in motion for quite awhile.

We have had the development ticked off :white_check_mark:

We got a great junior system established. :white_check_mark:

We bought a Golf Club for cash that makes a profit of $1million a year. :white_check_mark:

The same Golf Club has some land that can be developed.

We will have a brand new modern leagues Club in a year or 2. :white_check_mark:

Upgraded stadium. :white_check_mark:

We just signed up one of the best upcoming coaches. :white_check_mark:

That same coach wants to bring over to the Club one of the best assistant coaches going around.

We are still in the mix for Craig Bellamy as a Coaching Director.

Better watch out I think the next plan is to buy Kogarah Oval and put units on it.....

Oh and a Drag Queen supporter criticising our Club of wanting overnight success is just too funny. Pot calling the kettle black? Lol
This bloke hates the Sharks....
 

Quicksilver

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Falling into the 8 is a bit like getting a root at the end of the night with a fat chick.

You got a root but do you judge the night a success?

And are you happy about settling for roots with fat chicks or do you aspire to bang and 8 or a 9?

Good analogy actually.

You do if you’ve got the body of a 1/10.

And if you’re serious about getting a 9, you realise you’re not there yet but you could be with work. You don’t spit the dummy and say “oh no I f**ked a one point five”.

Saying the Top 8 is a failure without taking anything else into consideration is laughable. No one would have done much with what he had to work with. Yep, it’s like being 160kg on the prowl.
 

Quicksilver

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Sounds like he didnt want chambers . Wonder if fitzgibbon and Bellamy will get same treatment over player they dont want. As for hard conversation with SJ WTF? surely Management and recruitment officer make the final decision on the contract price . Surely they want coach removed from that so he isnt dealing with Disgruntled players due to things he has no control over ? Some clutching at straws there to prove their point.

Yep, why would he want to sweet talk a guy that he has no interest in playing?

Forget a captain coach, we should just have a board coach. Get all of them down there with their clipboards and whistles.
 
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My only thoughts are that the club has made a calculated gamble, much as they did when they decided to replace John Lang with Chris Anderson. It could be great, but I would think a semi final spot next year is the minimum target.

I also have worries about the short term collateral damage from this development. Are we already writing off this season ? I would have liked John M to have stayed for the rest of the season to guide things along. I also worry about good players underperforming or leaving out of fear of being replaced by rumoured signings.
 
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