The annual finals system debate thread

[ozjet1]

there is nothing wrong with the McIntyre 8 system and the way its home matches are scheduled. it essentially makes all games sudden-death (which finals should be) as games need to be won (even by the top 2) in the 1st week to for a team to proceed, or have an advantage in the following week.

but the problem with it is it doesnt compliment the length of the regular season. teams bust a gut for a high seeding in the qualification rounds for half the year (26 weeks/6 months), but the mcintyre system eliminates any advantage earned with 1 loss in the 1st week. the mcintyre 8 is more suited to a shorter qualification period.

solution: shorten the length of the regular season. it f**king drags on anyway.

 

[Mr Angry]

If your going to have 8, we have the better system IMO.

 

[BuffaloRules]

I've got no beef with the MS.

Particularly when there will be 18 teams, and there will be no possibility of a team sneaking into 8th spot with a 50/50 record....

 

[Deacon]

A few glitches that could be changed, no one has really come out with a better system apart from the AFL model, week 2 games should favour the higher finishing teams win or lose to home city not home ground,

100% argee, its not the ideal system but theres not a better alternative out there, I'd only twick it by always giving the higher ranked team based on there finishing position the home ground/city advantage, this is also a reward for finishing in your position after the 26 rounds, this would be much better, teams ranked 7 and 8 should never gain a home ground advantage

 

[mongoose]

Oh no, what will Andrew "voice of the people" voss say. :sarcasm:

 

[adamkungl]

100% argee, its not the ideal system but theres not a better alternative out there, I'd only twick it by always giving the higher ranked team based on there finishing position the home ground/city advantage, this is also a reward for finishing in your position after the 26 rounds, this would be much better, teams ranked 7 and 8 should never gain a home ground advantage

Teams ranked 1st should never lose to the team in 8th

 

[Goddo]

100% argee, its not the ideal system but theres not a better alternative out there, I'd only twick it by always giving the higher ranked team based on there finishing position the home ground/city advantage, this is also a reward for finishing in your position after the 26 rounds, this would be much better, teams ranked 7 and 8 should never gain a home ground advantage

I disagree.

The finals is a completely seperate competition to the regular season. The problem which has been highlighted is that the Minor Premiers are not justly rewarded for their efforts. Does this reward have to be part of the finals? Not necissarily, the current system works well.

Make the Minor Premiership worth more, then winning both becomes a massive rare achievement.

 

[chrisc101]

I've got no beef with the MS.

Particularly when there will be 18 teams, and there will be no possibility of a team sneaking into 8th spot with a 50/50 record....

Ummm I think you will find IF we go to 18 that it will become a 10 team finals series. Now way would they lose out on the extra revenue.

 

[adamkungl]

Ummm I think you will find IF we go to 18 that it will become a 10 team finals series. Now way would they lose out on the extra revenue.

Every sensible person will be hoping they take common sense over money, for ONCE, and keep it at 8.

 

[Coppo_ForeverYOUNG]

I still see flaws, like in 05, Wests flog the cowboys by 50 and they end up playing in the grand final, JOKE.
and 06 Saints beat Brisbane and brisbane go on to win the comp.
Lets hope they can invent something better soon.
Untill then I think the current system is the best.
Although there are still positives about the AFL system

 

[Deacon]

Teams ranked 1st should never lose to the team in 8th

with the competition having the Salary Cap this will happen very frequently in the future years, there needs to be more of a reward for teams finishing higher, otherwise theres really not much point to having 26 rounds, it would be better off halved

 

[Lego_Man]

1) Playing a team theoretically half as good as yours

2) Home match

3) Direct Week 3 passage if you win

4) Guaranteed second life if you lose

Those look like pretty good advantages to me. Oh wait, but then youll complain when 1 beats 8 and then goes on to lose in Week 3, because theyre "underdone".

No finals system is perfect, but the McIntyre system is pretty damn good. Quirky results occur in any system. But it seems to me that McIntyre often used as a scapegoat to explain results people dont like and/or expect. Maybe tweak the venues allocation method, but thats about it.

 

[Jeremy_hindmarsh]

boo fail

 

[bender]

100% argee, its not the ideal system but theres not a better alternative out there, I'd only twick it by always giving the higher ranked team based on there finishing position the home ground/city advantage, this is also a reward for finishing in your position after the 26 rounds, this would be much better, teams ranked 7 and 8 should never gain a home ground advantage

Its the second best system around (i used to hate it, but it is better than what the afl uses now). But the GlennC system is easily the best and fairest system for a top 8. It even has more games, so it makes more money than the current McIntyre system.

 

[Smithtown]

The biggest problem with McIntyre is not what happens to 1,2,7 & 8 first week, but what can happen to 3 and 6.

Technically, 3rd can lose to 6th in Golden Point in Week 1 and be bundled out of the comp. Similarly, 6th can lose by 70 pts in Week 1 and still go on to win the comp.

Both scenarios shouldn't be options in an 8 team format, and I dare say the year that 3rd is bundled out in Week 1 will be the last year of McIntyre.

 

[simostorm]

Good. im glad there keepin it

 

[Loudstrat]

Teams ranked 1st should never lose to the team in 8th

Yes. Ban all upsets FFS. :roll:

I love the Mac. It's a beauty!

 

[Parra]

Why do morons keep touting the AFL system?

Why do teams 4-8 deserve a soft landing?

8th should have to play 1st. There is no reason to have a finals series full of exhibition matches. I don't see the attraction of weak finals at all.

 

[taxidriver]

its absolutely stupid that there is no consistency in what happens to different games year to year

i've said before team 3 could win and team 5 could lose.

and they end up in the same position the next week.

thats f**ked.

top 4 should mean something and all the top 4 should have the opportunity of winning the week off

 

[Parra]

Why 4?