The Case for Adelaide.....

Discussion in 'NRL Expansion' started by Bring back John Fifita, Jul 30, 2020.

  1. Get Rid of The Donkeys

    Get Rid of The Donkeys Juniors

    Joined:
    May 14, 2020
    Messages:
    2,275
    Likes Received:
    1,618
    I think the board members of a struggling Sydney club need to read this. They could become so much richer and stronger by establishing a base in Adelaide or Perth, and either relocating there permanently or split their base evenly between Sydney and their adopted city.

    I am against new clubs being placed in these cities because there's too many hurdles for them to overcome. A Sydney team that does what the Swans and Lions did has a far greater chance of succeeding. The Brisbane Bears were a new team, but struggled until they merged with Fitzroy.

    I think the future will see 3 or 4 Sydney clubs branching out. I wouldn’t be surprised if Manly became the North Sydney Sea Eagles or Central Coast Sea Eagles and play half of their games in Gosford. St George will probably relocate permanently to Wollongong at some stage.

    PVL should look at talking Wests/ARLC into selling the Balmain side of the merger to the Pirates consortium. Western Tigers, six games in Perth, the other six at Campbelltown, Magic Round in Perth each year in exchange for funding from the WA gov. A stronger Tigers team that has one paw in Campbelltown and the other in Perth will attract more sponsors than the current club. Perth will have exposure to RL seven times a year. It is better than having zero games in Perth.
     
    MugaB likes this.
  2. mongoose

    mongoose First Grade

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2007
    Messages:
    7,282
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Hopefully when Smith retires and a new Brisbane team comes in the Storm start to really look in their own backyard for players and push hard on the development front.
     
  3. flippikat

    flippikat Juniors

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2009
    Messages:
    2,202
    Likes Received:
    1,073
    Absolutely. Surely they realise that the days of just picking over the best up and coming Queensland talent are well and truly numbered, given the "stay in your home state" options Qld players will have once Brisbane 2 is a reality.

    Crucial to that will be learning from the Raiders experience, given that they've struggled with a similar transition out of being a "Virtual Queensland club".
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2020
  4. greenBV4

    greenBV4 Juniors

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2017
    Messages:
    1,926
    Likes Received:
    1,361
    I also agree from what I can see at face value the club could doing more to push through victorian juniors, idk what goes on behind the scenes though

    I think canning the NYC had a fairly big impact on vic develoment as it seems a lot of the storm youth side was made up of victorians, hopefully we some some come through the JF and SG Ball Victorian Thunderbolts. The issue though is that since all the feeder clubs are in qld, the all end up needing to relocate to qld anyway - I'd love to see a victorian-based side set up in the NSW cup eventually
     
  5. greenBV4

    greenBV4 Juniors

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2017
    Messages:
    1,926
    Likes Received:
    1,361
    tbf I think they already have, this year we will likely see more Storm players picked for the blue squad than the maroon one, and I would say majority of our players coming in now are actually NZ or Pacific Islanders.

    As I mentioned above though, the issue is no Victorian presence in the 2nd tier, and thus Storm will continue to have their Qld connection through the qld cup feeders, unless they shift over to NSW cup sides or a Vic side is brought in (although I think the SC connection will stay in place a while, given this year, and the storm owning the SC netball side, as well as the number of Vic expats on the sunshine coast)
     
  6. Perth Red

    Perth Red Immortal

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    40,920
    Likes Received:
    7,591
    In all honesty who cares where the melbourne storm stars, or any nrl player for any club, were born and trained? Sure it’d be nice to see more melbourne jnrs come through bir until the nrl throws the same amount of money at nrlvic that afl throws in nsw and qlnd it ain’t going to happen.

    Melbourne Storms job is to run a viable professional rugby league club and win competitions. It’s NRLVic (and as now owned by nrl in effect the nrl’s job) job to turn the 3500 Vic grassroots players into 10,000 so more cream comes through for storm to turn into elite players.

    ps Storm development pathways were not helped by the nswrl’s bloody mindedness re their jnr team.

    pps the storm now have more first teamers from nz and nsw than Qlnd. It’s a myth that they are the fourth qlnd side,
     
    greenBV4 likes this.
  7. LeagueXIII

    LeagueXIII First Grade

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2003
    Messages:
    5,344
    Likes Received:
    1,285
    Exactly, most AFL players in QLD or NSW have some connection to Aussie Rules states.

    The other thing in Melbourne is the government are funding a rugby league academy, unheard of when I first came to Melbourne. The graph is definitely in an upward trend and will continue to do so.

    Also Slater and Smith are having a statue placed out the front of their home ground.

    They are household names in Melbourne.
     
  8. Bring back John Fifita

    Bring back John Fifita First Grade

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    6,319
    Likes Received:
    4,980
    Great to hear. Cheers for sharing.
     
  9. Get Rid of The Donkeys

    Get Rid of The Donkeys Juniors

    Joined:
    May 14, 2020
    Messages:
    2,275
    Likes Received:
    1,618
    The 15 other clubs won't like seeing players from their catchment area routinely being poached by a club in fumbleball land. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if all 15 of them, plus the Storm, are against adding a Perth team because it will lead to twice as many players being taken out of Queensland, NSW and NZ.

    You cannot blame the clubs for not wanting to jeopardise their recruitment prospects.

    I'd imagine the Storm would be the biggest and loudest club voting against a Perth team as they will be impacted more than anyone else.
     
  10. Perth Red

    Perth Red Immortal

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    40,920
    Likes Received:
    7,591
    greenBV4 likes this.
  11. The Great Dane

    The Great Dane Bench

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2012
    Messages:
    4,303
    Likes Received:
    1,329
    The whole 'where do the Storms' players come from' thing is just a red Herring, and it's worked perfectly because now we're all talking about the Storm, juniors, and the state of the game in Victoria, instead of discussing the real topics; Adelaide and expansion.
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2020
  12. The Great Dane

    The Great Dane Bench

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2012
    Messages:
    4,303
    Likes Received:
    1,329
    Clubs have been "poaching" juniors from each other from time immemorial. It's an inevitable part of professional sport and adding more teams into the mix will have no impact on that.
    'Without a doubt' case for Perth NRL expansion, says Bellamy

    Perth Expansion should be looked at: Smith

    Cameron Smith calls for NRL to expand and take on AFL head on

    My favorite quote from Cam: "I have played in Adelaide and I have played in Perth and there is some pretty good support there. We played at the Adelaide Oval and I think we had close to 20,000 there and over in Perth was sold out on the two occasions we played there."

    Seems to me like the Storm are all for expansion in Perth and Adelaide.
     
    reanimate and greenBV4 like this.
  13. Billythekid

    Billythekid First Grade

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    Messages:
    5,917
    Likes Received:
    1,144
    There is so much untapped potential out there in terms of getting more players. Maybe we should develop better pathways from NZ, PNG and the all the pacific islands if we’re looking for more playing talent.

    The big problem is that whilst an Adelaide team makes sense so do other areas. The game needs a Brisbane 2, Perth, Adelaide, NZ2 and a CC team but we already have so many so we have to be selective. Right now for me other than the CC I see Adelaide sitting at the bottom of that pile and that’s the unfortunate reality.

    I would love to see the NRL push towards 20 teams and include all of the above bar the CC, not expecting it in my lifetime.
     
  14. mongoose

    mongoose First Grade

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2007
    Messages:
    7,282
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    a new team at CC is a flat no for me, it's not expansion - doesn't bring in any new fans. Unless a Sydney team wants to relocate there then fine but no way a new team. The Sunshine Coast should be above the Central Coast.
     
    jim_57 likes this.
  15. The Great Dane

    The Great Dane Bench

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2012
    Messages:
    4,303
    Likes Received:
    1,329
    You don't have to go to NZ and PI's to find untapped potential, plenty of it is being missed all the time just in country NSW.

    The fact of the matter is that it's pretty bloody hard to argue that talent is a problem when the NRL is exporting almost a full team worth of talent to England and RU each year without it having a major impact on the quality of the competition.
     
  16. Get Rid of The Donkeys

    Get Rid of The Donkeys Juniors

    Joined:
    May 14, 2020
    Messages:
    2,275
    Likes Received:
    1,618
    Cam Smith is hardly a trustworthy source.

    What players say in public and what they believe are not necessary the same. The Broncos say they welcome Brisbane 2, but anyone who knows the history of the club isn't falling for their BS.

    Clubs are not going to welcome a competitor that will put their future in jeopardy. Players will not want to fly six hours to and from Perth. The RLPA is always whinging about player welfare. The flight issue will be something they will not want to experience.
     
  17. greenBV4

    greenBV4 Juniors

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2017
    Messages:
    1,926
    Likes Received:
    1,361
    What does Cam Smith or Bellamy gain by "lying" about being all for Perth or Adelaide expansion? If anything they would probably get more praise from the Sydney-centric league media for calling out against it. From most reports we've seen players for whatever reason like playing in these cities, and the flight isn't that bad, businessmen do it all the time.

    The addition of more clubs means more job openings for proffesional rugby league players, the RLPA would likely be all for this
     
    MugaB likes this.
  18. The Great Dane

    The Great Dane Bench

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2012
    Messages:
    4,303
    Likes Received:
    1,329
    In other words any opinion that doesn't validate yours is invalid.

    What's your excuse for Bellamy's opinion, is he not trustworthy as well?
     
  19. Bring back John Fifita

    Bring back John Fifita First Grade

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    6,319
    Likes Received:
    4,980
    Bang on, your first paragraph is on the money for me. That is the well of potential talent that needs to be brought to fruition. I’d thought Gus Gould was given that gig from the NRL and given his efforts with the roosters and then Penrith - he’s the perfect bloke to build that pipeline for mine.
     
  20. Perth Red

    Perth Red Immortal

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    40,920
    Likes Received:
    7,591
    There’s always been plenty of support for a perth club from players and clubs, in fact the only person I have ever heard say in the last ten years that perth isnt a good idea is Vlandys!

    id expect a perth club to be very multi cultural like the storm. Png. Fiji, nz and islands, english, qlnd, nsw. but we will have the advantage of getting some WA players through the system quicker.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2020

Share This Page