The Case for Adelaide.....

[Bring back John Fifita]

If Roosters do relocate to Adelaide, which team absorbs the City of Sydney?

Do Manly become the Sydney Sea Eagles and play out of SFS, covering the North Shore down to Sydney?

I think naturally it would be South Sydney who’d get the territory.

Manly should and always remain north of the harbour.

 

[flippikat]

If Roosters do relocate to Adelaide, which team absorbs the City of Sydney?

Do Manly become the Sydney Sea Eagles and play out of SFS, covering the North Shore down to Sydney?

Either Manly would take that area, or one of the current inner-west teams.

Could be Souths if they wanna move back to the east, could be Bulldogs or even Tigers if they get a good deal to play home games at the new SFS.

 

[The Great Dane]

Either Manly would take that area, or one of the current inner-west teams.

Could be Souths if they wanna move back to the east, could be Bulldogs or even Tigers if they get a good deal to play home games at the new SFS.

Nah, Souths would be the only team that could logically take over the City under that scenario, and I reckon they'd only do it grudgingly.

Long term as the city grows and demographics change in the CBD and Eastern Suburbs, you may not actually need a club that specifically represents the city. But that's just speculation at this point.

 

[Perth Red]

It would benefit the whole league, not just roosters, roosters get a city to themselves, catchments, juniors, and 1.5 milion unrivaled possible fans, plus an instant victorian rival, sets up SA vs VIC hate that ALF has,
NRL loses nothing in sydney via pathways and catchments, one less sydney based club in the market even opens up a possible return of North Sydney, and a similar movement of the "sea eagles" in the same fashion to Christchurch or Perth, which better suits pathways at the northern suburbs/gosford, having a bears share gosford stadium and moore park, and return of south sydney to moore park also

roosters are earning $75mill a year where they are, they arent going anywhere! Just because fans of opposition clubs think it might be a good idea for a club to move means diddly squat in the real world.

 

[The Great Dane]

roosters are earning $75mill a year where they are, they arent going anywhere! Just because fans of opposition clubs think it might be a good idea for a club to move means diddly squat in the real world.

You never know, other circumstances and/or motivations could push them to move. That's often how it happens in America.

A lot of teams over there are doing well financially but decide to move because they perceive that there're better opportunities elsewhere, or they want/need a new stadium and the local government isn't forthcoming so they move.

I'm not saying that that will happen in the Roosters case, or that it's even likely to happen in Sydney, the clubs aren't as financially motivated, or frankly well run, as the American franchises for that to happen, but hypothetically it could.

If Manly was run like an American club they would have been threatening to relocate if they didn't get a new stadium for decades now. Scratch that, they would have relocated out of Manly in about 2005...

 

[mongoose]

The Roosters would be one of the last teams to relocate. Who gives a shit about juniors, they can attract whoever they want to the club and part of that is their glamorous location. Players like SBW, Suuali, Cooper Cronk aren't going to Adelaide to play for the Roosters....

 

[Perth Red]

You never know, other circumstances and/or motivations could push them to move. That's often how it happens in America.

A lot of teams over there are doing well financially but decide to move because they perceive that there're better opportunities elsewhere, or they want/need a new stadium and the local government isn't forthcoming so they move.

I'm not saying that that will happen in the Roosters case, or that it's even likely to happen in Sydney, the clubs aren't as financially motivated, or frankly well run, as the American franchises for that to happen, but hypothetically it could.

If Manly was run like an American club they would have been threatening to relocate if they didn't get a new stadium for decades now. Scratch that, they would have relocated out of Manly in about 2005...

that’s very much related to new owners or new stadiums. Roosters aren’t selling their license to anyone and have a new stadium. What on earth do you think would convince them that moving to a new non RL market would be a good idea when they are raking in it where they are and making a nice profit every year? The two most likely clubs are Cronulla and manly. Cronulla have some grace due to flogging off their assets but dont have the size to break even so eventually there is a chance their new found wealth will run out again. Manly seem screwed, small crowds, terrible ground, no big LC backing. At moment the nrls desire to keep everyone artificially low balled means they are ok but if that changes they are screwed. RL remains a small sport in a suburban mentality so the ti y clubs remain relevant. I see nothing under Vlandys will change in that regard, in fact he seems very keen to reinforce it further.
Only way it will change in sydney is if people wake up to the stupidity of pokies, but that doesn’t seem likely.

 

[The Great Dane]

that’s very much related to new owners or new stadiums. Roosters aren’t selling their license to anyone and have a new stadium. What on earth do you think would convince them that moving to a new non RL market would be a good idea when they are raking in it where they are and making a nice profit every year?

More often than not it's stadiums and not a change in ownership (that's actually much rarer than you'd imagine in the major leagues, especially these days).

But that's not exclusively why teams relocate, take as one example the Rams in the 90s; they weren't going broke, but they moved out of LA because of dwindling attendance and general support. They were struggling on the pitch, and their owner was blamed by the fans for that, they hated her for it, attendance was way down, the atmosphere was toxic, and St. Louis offered her a sweetheart deal to move so she did despite attempts by the other owners to stop her.

I want to stress again that I'm not saying this is likely to happen, in fact I think it's exceedingly unlikely to happen, but hypothetically something similar could happen at the Roosters. They could get jack of being one of the most successful clubs in Sydney but still having one of the smallest fan bases in Sydney, and decide 'f**k it' we're going to look into our options elsewhere and it snow balls from there.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Roosters would be one of the last teams to relocate. Who gives a shit about juniors, they can attract whoever they want to the club and part of that is their glamorous location. Players like SBW, Suuali, Cooper Cronk aren't going to Adelaide to play for the Roosters....

Tigers or Sea Eagles are the only teams that benefit from relocating to Adelaide.

 

[flippikat]

Nah, Souths would be the only team that could logically take over the City under that scenario, and I reckon they'd only do it grudgingly.

Logically it'd only be Souths in contention to take over that area... but for a long time now, logic has had little part in the map of Sydney's clubs.

I mean, look at the suburb-hopping nature of the current Dragons & Tigers JVs, the enclaves of Sea Eagles & Sharks territory, the "gap" in the North Shore and the crowded mess of the inner-west.

The last 20 or so years has all been ad hoc & illogical.

 

[mongoose]

that’s very much related to new owners or new stadiums. Roosters aren’t selling their license to anyone and have a new stadium. What on earth do you think would convince them that moving to a new non RL market would be a good idea when they are raking in it where they are and making a nice profit every year? The two most likely clubs are Cronulla and manly. Cronulla have some grace due to flogging off their assets but dont have the size to break even so eventually there is a chance their new found wealth will run out again. Manly seem screwed, small crowds, terrible ground, no big LC backing. At moment the nrls desire to keep everyone artificially low balled means they are ok but if that changes they are screwed. RL remains a small sport in a suburban mentality so the ti y clubs remain relevant. I see nothing under Vlandys will change in that regard, in fact he seems very keen to reinforce it further.
Only way it will change in sydney is if people wake up to the stupidity of pokies, but that doesn’t seem likely.

Manly will get a brand new stadium or significant upgrade according to V'landys plans....

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Logically it'd only be Souths in contention to take over that area... but for a long time now, logic has had little part in the map of Sydney's clubs.

I mean, look at the suburb-hopping nature of the current Dragons & Tigers JVs, the enclaves of Sea Eagles & Sharks territory, the "gap" in the North Shore and the crowded mess of the inner-west.

The last 20 or so years has all been ad hoc & illogical.

Wests should be sent to Perth and St George to Adelaide. Manly to NZ.

 

[MugaB]

Wests should be sent to Perth and St George to Adelaide. Manly to NZ.

Then whos catchment in the northern suburbs of Sydney, Macarthur and wollongong? And dont say knights, Penrith or Sharks, coz they already have big Catchments of juniors
Throwaway lines that make no sense from you recently, nearly every third post has been advocating for either Tigers, Manly or Dragons to relocate elsewhere, to fit your narrative, these clubs all service important growth areas, or just areas that would fall to rival codes if not present in sydney, i can only see Either Roosters OR Canterbury (not both) be a candidates for relocation, and maybe dragons to Wollongong permanently, all other sydney clubs service the league from bottom up, not top down like dogs and chooks, they could both effectively be in Perth Adelaide and the Moon and still operate the same way and not leave a whole in the catchments or junior footprint in the largest elite rugby league city in the world... being sydney.

P.s. Manly could relocate too but needs Norths reinstated or Roosters to be present in the northern suburbs, (not SFS)


There's a bermuda triangle in wests, penrith and parra that stops ALFs GWS from gaining any important traction, move any of these clubs and sydneys west becomes less productive, since they are producing bulk of the elite talent

The brisbane 2 bid, should cripple the lions, with this same mentality, and GC titans just need to get to the finals every year, or even just win, to fk off the Suns once and for all, AFL is quite happy to play the long game and throw money away till we all clammer for relocations in strategic areas we forget we have

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Then whos catchment in the northern suburbs of Sydney, Macarthur and wollongong? And dont say knights, Penrith or Sharks, coz they already have big Catchments of juniors
Throwaway lines that make no sense from you recently, nearly every third post has been advocating for either Tigers, Manly or Dragons to relocate elsewhere, to fit your narrative, these clubs all service important growth areas, or just areas that would fall to rival codes if not present in sydney, i can only see Either Roosters OR Canterbury (not both) be a candidates for relocation, and maybe dragons to Wollongong permanently, all other sydney clubs service the league from bottom up, not top down like dogs and chooks, they could both effectively be in Perth Adelaide and the Moon and still operate the same way and not leave a whole in the catchments or junior footprint in the largest elite rugby league city in the world... being sydney.

P.s. Manly could relocate too but needs Norths reinstated or Roosters to be present in the northern suburbs, (not SFS)


There's a bermuda triangle in wests, penrith and parra that stops ALFs GWS from gaining any important traction, move any of these clubs and sydneys west becomes less productive, since they are producing bulk of the elite talent

The brisbane 2 bid, should cripple the lions, with this same mentality, and GC titans just need to get to the finals every year, or even just win, to fk off the Suns once and for all, AFL is quite happy to play the long game and throw money away till we all clammer for relocations in strategic areas we forget we have

Manly don't really represent anyone and haven't tried to expand. Moving them will allow the Roosters to expand. Let Manly and North Sydney represent the area from NSW Cup through to the under age competitions, with Roosters being the NRL club they feed.

Wests are a Frankenstein team that is deeply divided and just making up the numbers. Canterbury could absorb that area and rebrand as the Western Sydney Bulldogs.

Wollongong is like the Sunshine Coast. Cronulla could rebrand and take in the area. Southern or South Coast Sharks?

We cannot have teams in every area of Brisbane and Sydney. Even without Manly, Wests and St George, Sydney will still have enough clubs within driving distance for people to attend live NRL games.

Brisbane will probably be limited to just 2 teams, which means growth areas will be unrepresented. The key is to build up the Queensland Cup to service these locations. The same can be done in Sydney with the NSW Cup.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Surely Dodge would be a prime candidate to be the Rams major sponsor...

 

[MugaB]

Surely Dodge would be a prime candidate to be the Rams major sponsor...

i d be going a bit more local in terms of Australian sponsors

 

[MugaB]

Manly don't really represent anyone and haven't tried to expand. Moving them will allow the Roosters to expand. Let Manly and North Sydney represent the area from NSW Cup through to the under age competitions, with Roosters being the NRL club they feed.

Wests are a Frankenstein team that is deeply divided and just making up the numbers. Canterbury could absorb that area and rebrand as the Western Sydney Bulldogs.

Wollongong is like the Sunshine Coast. Cronulla could rebrand and take in the area. Southern or South Coast Sharks?

We cannot have teams in every area of Brisbane and Sydney. Even without Manly, Wests and St George, Sydney will still have enough clubs within driving distance for people to attend live NRL games.

Brisbane will probably be limited to just 2 teams, which means growth areas will be unrepresented. The key is to build up the Queensland Cup to service these locations. The same can be done in Sydney with the NSW Cup.

So instead of just moving 1 or 2 clubs, you want to move 3 (tigers, dragons and manly) then get cronulla, canterbury and roosters to move around also to take over, thats a lot of fiddling, just so you can move your favourite 3 struggling clubs, who probably wouldn't survive out of sydney, so relocations are moot. Where i say just move one =roosters to Adelaide, and souths just plays at the SFS, problem solved.
Relocating struggling teams won't work, and doing it in 2 ALF cities, Perth & Adelaide, plus a South Island RU town of Christchurch, no new town or city wants a loser club porting over, just a whole lot of baggage..
If you want relocation to work it has to be a strong brand, and it has to be a good reason for it, not just adding dots to map. Roosters need space, crowds, and more importantly fans, Adelaide will give them the whole city, they can grow juniors there too, and still poach how they poach now, the colors are the same, and nothing affects the sydney landscape other than one less team crowding up the market, once/if that all works, and is productive other clubs will wise up, and take the plunge to tale on Perth, Sunshine Coast, Gosford or Wellington, etc

Stop treating Relocation as a penalty for struggling clubs, treat it as a business game changer. It should be valid reason to relocate, not this whole club management sucks.
Every club has gone thru rough patches over the century, souths are a perfect example of changing times, even the roosters were never the glamour club that was always Canterbury, and they are now dog shite

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So instead of just moving 1 or 2 clubs, you want to move 3 (tigers, dragons and manly) then get cronulla, canterbury and rooster to move also to take over, thats a lot of fiddling, just so you can move your favourite 3 struggling clubs, who probably wouldn't survive out of sydney, so relocations are moot. Where i say just move one =roosters to Adelaide, and souths just plays at the SFS, problem solved.
Relocating struggling teams won't work, and doing it in 2 ALF cities, Perth & Adelaide, plus a South Island RU town of Christchurch, no new town or city wants a loser club porting over, just a whole lot of baggage..
If you want relocation to work it has to be a strong brand, and it has to be a good reason for it, not just adding dots to map. Roosters need space, Adelaide will give them the whole city, they can grow juniors there, and still poach how they poach now, the colors are the same, and nothing affects the sydney landscape other than one less team crowding up the market, once/if that all works, and is productive other clubs will wise up, and take the plunge to tale on Perth, Sunshine Coast, Gosford or Wellington, etc

Stop treating Relocation as a penalty for struggling clubs, treat it as a business game changer.

South Melbourne Swans and Fitzroy Lions weren't strong clubs when they relocated to RL country. Both clubs are far stronger now.

Sydney Roosters are one of only 2 Sydney clubs thay have Sydney in their name, have a bigger fanbase than many of their rivals and are well run off the field. If you were to send them to Adelaide then the Waratahs and Swans would have the big end of town all to themselves.

Sharks are coming good and are in a position to grow into a super club, but need the Dragons gone to do so.

Dragons have fans all over the country.

Wests are too divided to ever be strong in Sydney. Put them in Perth where they'll have just one identify.

 

[MugaB]

South Melbourne Swans and Fitzroy Lions weren't strpng clubs when they relocated to RL country. Both clubs are far stronger now.

Sydney Roosters are one of 2 Sydney clubs thay have Sydney in their name, have a bigger fanbase than many of their rivals and are well run off the field. If you were to send them to Adelaide them the Warratahs and Swans would have the big end of town all to themselves.

Garbage reasoning, AFL doesn't compare, they aren't the measure to what or how relocations can/can't work and the lions were are merger, brisbane bears! Remember?

Roosters are one of the lowest memberships and attended teams in sydney, even after going back to back GFs, and called themselves "sydney"
In a city with 8 other "sydney based" clubs teams but only represent waverly council and bondi, they are useless and feed off all the other sydneys players, juniors, and sponsors.
But hey they are rich and are valuable to the league? Yeah Not really, they'd be more valuable in another city, like Perth or Adelaide,
But hey since you're the sydney landscape expert, living in logan, QLD.. i suppose we can all differ to your reasoning, when you dont even live in sydney... take a look on the map they represent sweet fk all yet claim to be everything


That small dark blue section on the harbour is all they got for expanding to, as you can see they offer nothing, and can't expand anymore than where they are

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Garbage reasoning, AFL doesn't compare, they aren't the measure to what relocations work and the lions were are merger, brisbane bears! Remember?
Roosters are one of the lowest memberships and attended teams in sydney, even after going back to back GFs, and called themselves "sydney"
In a city with 8 other "sydney based" clubs teams but only represent waverly council and bondi, they are useless and feed off all the other sydneys players, juniors, and sponsors.
But hey they are rich and are valuable to the league? Yeah Not really, they'd be more valuable in another city, like Perth or Adelaide,
But hey since you're the sydney landscape expert, living in logan, QLD.. i suppose we can all differ to your reasoning, when you dont even live in sydney... take a look on the map they represent sweet fk all yet claim to be everything
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That small dark blue section on the harbour is all they got

I'm not an expert on Sydney. Far from it.

Do Manly and Penrith draw fans from all of that territory?

I've always been told that Manly's support is confined to the peninsula. Manly is the least watched Sydney club. Their crowds are poor.

https://pythagonrl.com/tag/tv-ratings/

Wests have trouble drawing crowds at Campbelltown.

Why can't Bulldogs cover Campbelltown under the brand Western Sydney Bulldogs, colours black and white?

It would be far stronger and turn two struggling clubs into a behemoth. Give the Tigers' licence to West Coast Pirates.

Let the Roosters take in Bears and Sea Eagles territory. That way they will have a larger footprint.