The Knights last 4 weeks.

[Noname36]

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if, after our 3rd or 4th spoon in a row, the NRL are indeed questioning our viability.

Fans need hope. It's in pretty short supply at present.

Mate you're saying that you're just hitting everyone with "realism" but then you post something as ridiculous as this.

The Knights won't fold, not in a million years. I don't know exactly what the future of the club holds (I'm obviously not optimistic it will be positive) but I can guarantee you that it will still be around.

 

[Mogsheen Jadwat]

I think Macavity is a bit upset due to bad management. don't let it get you down son.

 

[Caped Crusader]

You obviously haven't understood a word I have written. Go back to the start, take notes.

You confuse me explaining how things are with being defeatist. And then you come out with stupid ideas on what "they should do". If you have the answers and it is all so easy, email the club and ask for a meeting with Matt Gidley. He will meet with you.

Make no mistake, we are treading water at the bottom of the table until something external changes - that is not being "defeatist" it is realism.

No youre not, youre looking to blame anything but the internal problems the Knights have created for themselves over the years. Nothing "external" is going to change that

Ive never once said i have any specific answers nor have i claimed it was easy however its clear that other clubs in similar markets have managed to turn things around from equally and sometimes even more dire circumstances. It can be done

Youre displaying a classic case of victim mentality mate. I get it, Im suffering through this shit too, but wallowing in the "woe is us" muck is whats sucking up hope more than anything else

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

No coincidence that the raiders are doing well on the recruitment front now a guy who learned his trade at the Roosters (and Eels) is pulling the strings.

:lol:

Have a f**king sook you whinger.

 

[betcats]

Amazing what the best player of a generation can do. Kept us afloat for a decade.

Lucky timing for them that they have a bandwagon rolling when the rules change and bandwagons become critical.

Flip the script and have them coming off a decade of failure and us winning everything in sight with a future immortal calling the shots at the time the economic rules change, and suddenly it's a Cowboys fan trying to explain basic economics to a bunch of people who are either wilfully or stupidly unable to grasp some pretty straightforward concepts.

Im not a cowboys fan. What about the other 10 clubs that don't have access to millions of dollars worth of TPAs? How do they compete each week? The way you talk its like the knights are alone in that situation which is ridiculous. I'll tell you what the knights are alone in? No other club recently has had an arrogant f**k of a billionaire owner go bust and not pay players and staff at times as well as a number of local businesses not getting paid from his companies. No other club had a coach who seemingly had no interest in long term planning sing a bunch of mid thirty year olds and then leave with one of you few remaining rep players. Of course its all just the system, whats the point of acknowledging the clubs failings when the system is a much easier target.

 

[peter file]

The Knights had five SOO/International players (Gagai, Mata'utia, Uate, Hodkinson, Smith) against one (Woods). Tell me again about the discrepancy in talent/experience?

 

[Perth Red]

But apparently they aren't any good anymore. What thats got to do with knights not attracting rep players I'm not sure but I am sure mac will explain it.

 

[Apey]

The Knights had five SOO/International players (Gagai, Mata'utia, Uate, Hodkinson, Smith) against one (Woods). Tell me again about the discrepancy in talent/experience?

:lol:

 

[Spot On]

The Knights had five SOO/International players (Gagai, Mata'utia, Uate, Hodkinson, Smith) against one (Woods). Tell me again about the discrepancy in talent/experience?

You taking the piss yeah?:lol:

 

[macavity]

Mate you're saying that you're just hitting everyone with "realism" but then you post something as ridiculous as this.

The Knights won't fold, not in a million years. I don't know exactly what the future of the club holds (I'm obviously not optimistic it will be positive) but I can guarantee you that it will still be around.

Why so sure? They have let a hell of a number of teams go down in the past. A few more spoons in a row and who knows what sort of state we will be in.

 

[macavity]

No youre not, youre looking to blame anything but the internal problems the Knights have created for themselves over the years. Nothing "external" is going to change that

Ive never once said i have any specific answers nor have i claimed it was easy however its clear that other clubs in similar markets have managed to turn things around from equally and sometimes even more dire circumstances. It can be done

Youre displaying a classic case of victim mentality mate. I get it, Im suffering through this shit too, but wallowing in the "woe is us" muck is whats sucking up hope more than anything else

Again comprehension is a problem. We got ourselves into this shit storm. Freely admit that.

 

[Caped Crusader]

And its up to us to get us out. Not the NRL.

Thats been my point the whole way.

 

[macavity]

And its up to us to get us out. Not the NRL.

Thats been my point the whole way.

Absolutely - but without an external change, economics dictates it is near impossible. That is the bit you (and the herp derp brigade) don't get.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Bullshit

But keep believing that mate. I expect you'll be eating humble pie in a few years when the Knights are back on track

 

[macavity]

Bullshit

But keep believing that mate. I expect you'll be eating humble pie in a few years when the Knights are back on track

Would happily do that.

But what is your definition of "back on track"?

12th?

 

[Spot On]

Crusader

You must see that no club with limited TPAs can buy a roster as strong and deep as a club with massive TPA.

Newcastle and many other clubs have limited TPAs. Matt Gidley acknowledged this fact only a few days ago. Apparently Brissy have around 2.4 million in TPA $$$. You can not compete with that. That's a spend of around 9.2 million on salaries.

It was reported last week that Corey Parker is on 250K under the cap. That is a huge advantage over a club who would need to pay the bulk of his salary with cap dollars. If that is true, it has a huge impact on the entire squad make up. Avery positive one in Brisbane's case.

Also, poor management and the Tinkler/Bennett fiasco has had a negative impact on many aspects at the club. That's a no brainer. However, going forward there are external challenges that probably can't be overcome due to an inability to compete financially with the rich clubs due to current TPA rules. That also is a no brainer.

I understand your point about accessing TPA $$$ outside the Newcastle region but I think you could learn a lot from reading this link:

http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/...=1463628193262&camefrom=EMCL_1106425_42513055

Some questions from the link:

Q.Why is it that in the whole region of Newcastle we cannot obtain funding to provide third party agreements?

Matt Gidley: A significant number of local organisations are currently a sponsor or corporate partner. This excludes them from being able to enter into third party agreements according to NRL rules.

Q.Where we are falling behind the consistently successful clubs is engagement with the business community. Surely we should be doing better than we are in terms of finances?

Matt Gidley: Our commercial revenues are ranked fourth in the NRL based on our 2015 financial performance. Our business community gives the Club great support and we are extremely appreciative of this.

Q. I listened to your interview on Talking Sport yesterday and noted that when asked about corporate support and TPAs, you answered that the club has significant local corporate support which then stops them from contributing to TPAs. My question is how do clubs garner corporate support for TPAs without being rewarded with boxes or other benefits from the club?

Matt Gidley: Good question, Mark. That is one of the real challenges. For an organisation to satisfy the rules and regulations in regards to TPAs they can only use the players' individual IP, with no access to the Club. As I mentioned, this makes it challenging.

Q. Are the Knights getting any third party money at the moment?

Matt Gidley: We do, but not in the vicinity of some of the other Clubs.

 

[Caped Crusader]

I've read that mate and it's a nice piece of fluff and excuse making

The Cowboys won the comp last year mate. Do you really think they have millions tied up in TPAs?

They have built a strong team, I emphasise team, around a big name player. Most of their side they have nurtured from lower grades and jnrs. They've built a culture where guys like Coote take unders to stay

How is Newcastle that much different from Tville? The Cowboys struggled for years even with JT yet they have made it.

 

[Perth Red]

So Knights are also benefitting from tpa, how much? How far off are they from the rest? For all we know they may be mid table in TPA's.

Knights need to make themselves more attractive to national sponsors for sponsorship then they can use locals for more TPA's. here is their current sponsorship portfolio. And again if they maximised revenue from the advantages they have they would need to rely on corporate partners less who could instead put their money into TPA's. To have the second lowest membership base with the fanbase the Knights enjoy is a disgrace.

http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/corporate/sponsors.html

 

[macavity]

The Cowboys won the comp last year mate. Do you really think they have millions tied up

Maybe not officially.... But, Yep.

How is Newcastle that much different from Tville? The Cowboys struggled for years even with JT yet they have made it.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...y-deals-in-the-spotlight-20150728-gilzoj.html

Yeah, no different at all.

Every team has different circumstances. Just because one regional team has a future immortal and multi millionaires with sweet property hook ups doesn't mean the rest have those things, or ever will have those things.

 

[macavity]

So Knights are also benefitting from tpa, how much? How far off are they from the rest? For all we know they may be mid table in TPA's.

To have the second lowest membership base with the fanbase the Knights enjoy is a disgrace.

http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/corporate/sponsors.html

Funny what years of being whipping boys can do to membership numbers.

Happy to hear from the brains trust how we make ourselves more attractive to national sponsors, especially considering we haven't had a "real" major sponsor since QantasLink, which finished in 2004 (and which we only got as they bought our "local" sponsor, Impulse Air, and they didn't renew that contract).

We have had a grand total of ONE bona fide "national" sponsor, properly gained, in our existence - Stockland - which we had as they were building a big shopping centre in the area in the mid 90s. (And before someone mentions BP, that was the hunter franchisees, not corporate).

We haven't been able to do it in nearly 30 years, so we welcome your suggestions.