The LJC\Stallion Thread

[Whatwhere]

Deflection! Nice try and predictable.

Not a deflection numb nuts. More an indictment on your apparent obsession with a topic that on the grander schemes means so very little to people's lives when some perspective is applied.

 

[Stallion]

Yes, but please explain to me how the hell playing Rugby for your school would have had any ability to dictate what you played outside of school hours? They only have authority over you while you are under their care. You would know this if you were actually a teacher.

Not even the elite private schools you bitch about can restrict anything their students wish to play outside of their school commitments. I know this as I played both League and Rugby with blokes from those schools at the club level.

You're talking utter shit.

You still don't get it! As an all round sportsman I elected to play many types of sport in my final year at high school. Union was the only sport I had to sign a declaration in order to play that sport at school. All the other sports had no special declaration to sign in order to play.

 

[Stallion]

If your evidence is an article from The Roar you've already lost.

What a pathetic deflection and non response. That is a legitimate and informative article you have chosen to ignore! Pathetic and apathetic from a union loving troll on a rugby league website! (Ps: there are more articles and books about this repression of rugby league I can refer you to). But in your 'educated way' you will dismiss them no doubt!)

 

[batley]

Yes, but please explain to me how the hell playing Rugby for your school would have had any ability to dictate what you played outside of school hours? They only have authority over you while you are under their care. You would know this if you were actually a teacher.

Not even the elite private schools you bitch about can restrict anything their students wish to play outside of their school commitments. I know this as I played both League and Rugby with blokes from those schools at the club level.

You're talking utter shit.

I can't speak for Aussie but that wasn't the case here in NZ.I know of many a parent that went to see the headmaster about their lads having to play on s/mornings to no avail.I have spoken to some of the boys who later made the Kiwis and they said much prefered league but had no choice in the matter.

I would not be surprised though if that also was the case in Aussie.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Not necessarily so! They have a booming local competition scene and unchallenged support in the wealthiest schools of Australia. Along with rugby league making poor scheduling decisions like not hosting the touring Lions team next year, rugby union is able to capitalise on upcoming events more so than rugby league which has virtually abandoned international relevance for the coming year. I'd suggest , despite being a crap product, union would secretly be content with where they are at in Australia. Remembering it is an undeserving sports product propagated by influential organisations and connected people.

It is a crap product mate and like crap it is quickly going down the toilet in this country. We don't have to fear 60 out of 7000 odd schools and two or three 10k crowds in shute shield, if that is what they have to hang their hat on they are clutching at straws. Put it this way I wouldn't want to reverse the two codes current positions in Australia. We have many more advantages currently.

 

[Stallion]

I can't speak for Aussie but that wasn't the case here in NZ.I know of many a parent that went to see the headmaster about their lads having to play on s/mornings to no avail.I have spoken to some of the boys who later made the Kiwis and they said much prefered league but had no choice in the matter.

I would not be surprised though if that also was the case in Aussie.

Yes. Thank you Batley . This discriminatory process in not allowing a choice or an ability to play rugby league must make things difficult for rugby league as a code. It looks like in many areas around the world that union is being propagated and pushed on students as a sport of choice whilst rugby league remains on the outer. Not fair or equitable by any means

 

[Twizzle]

you really should come with sub titles

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Mods is there anyway to check if Stallion's account is an A.I. bot - it seems to be programmed with about 10 or so standard responses and when someone points out that they are incorrect, the loop starts again.

 

[Stallion]

It is a crap product mate and like crap it is quickly going down the toilet in this country. We don't have to fear 60 out of 7000 odd schools and two or three 10k crowds in shute shield, if that is what they have to hang their hat on they are clutching at straws. Put it this way I wouldn't want to reverse the two codes current positions in Australia. We have many more advantages currently.

Remembering rugby union also has presence and access to the other schools. It's the absolute mortgage of total influence within elite private schools against rugby league which ultimately does rugby league no favours in the corporate or legislative world.This impacts rugby league negatively in the bigger scheme of things. (*ie: non recognition as an international sport/no govt funding/decisions for rl development in various countries etc) Rugby league has legitimately gained access access to general schooling as it has proven to. be an attractive and democratic*rules wise' inclusive sport to play . Rugby league has been accepted/popular by merit in such schools. It(Rugby league) has been accepted as popular culture whereas union has not however union still dominates through a biased sports policy in elite private schools. If rugby league was also allowed to.be played in elite private schools it would be ok. Unfortunately this is not the case in most (probably all)elite private achooling.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Because rugby league captured the imagination of the vast majority of the public! Very different scenarios. Rugby league is essentially popular culture spawned by being genuinely popular and attractive enough to attract many people. Union has been propagated by the elite private school system and its resultant contacts/friends in high places. Rugby league earnt and won the popular support within Australia on its own merits. Not propagated by any biased school system as with union. It won over support .Very different scenarios.

You didn't answer the question though. Why would the disenfranchised bears fans that have supposedly led to this boom in Shute Shield crowds (20 years later) settle for 3rd teir RU, but aren't happy to watch their own club in a 2nd teir RL comp?

 

[Stallion]

Mods is there anyway to check if Stallion's account is an A.I. bot - it seems to be programmed with about 10 or so standard responses and when someone points out that they are incorrect, the loop starts again.

Trying to shoot the messenger. Valid information being denigrated by a "rugby league" fan. Pretty poor form titoelcolombiano! A low act!

 

[Stallion]

you really should come with sub titles

Fair call and thank you!

 

[Whatwhere]

What a pathetic deflection and non response. That is a legitimate and informative article you have chosen to ignore! Pathetic and apathetic from a union loving troll on a rugby league website! (Ps: there are more articles and books about this repression of rugby league I can refer you to). But in your 'educated way' you will dismiss them no doubt!)

No it's not. It's a fan opinion piece. It just supports your point of view so you've declared it legitimate.

 

[Stallion]

You didn't answer the question though. Why would the disenfranchised bears fans that have supposedly led to this boom in Shute Shield crowds (20 years later) settle for 3rd teir RU, but aren't happy to watch their own club in a 2nd teir RL comp?

I have answered this. The Bears fans as with all.fans will and should not accept a "demotion" . By being ousted though an unfair and totally flawed superleague agreement is not the right outcome for a longstanding and well supported club. 2nd rate doesn’t rate when you should be top flight. That's the key difference in your comparison you haven't yet grasped.

 

[Whatwhere]

You still don't get it! As an all round sportsman I elected to play many types of sport in my final year at high school. Union was the only sport I had to sign a declaration in order to play that sport at school. All the other sports had no special declaration to sign in order to play.

I get it. But you still refuse to answer the simple question. What power would Rugby have to impede your participation in any other sports outside of school? How could the prevent you playing whatever the hell you wanted outside of school hours?

 

[Stallion]

No it's not. It's a fan opinion piece. It just supports your point of view so you've declared it legitimate.

Lol. That registered journalist could be taken to court of his information is incorrect. You are dismissing fact you pathetic union apologist! Fancy trying to discredit a very telltale and valid piece of information. You are a low life!

 

[Whatwhere]

I have answered this. The Bears fans as with all.fans will and should not accept a "demotion" . By being ousted though an unfair and totally flawed superleague agreement is not the right outcome for a longstanding and well supported club. 2nd rate doesn’t rate when you should be top flight. That's the key difference in your comparison you haven't yet grasped.

So they opt to support what is now 4th tier Rugby instead.

 

[Stallion]

I get it. But you still refuse to answer the simple question. What power would Rugby have to impede your participation in any other sports outside of school? How could the prevent you playing whatever the hell you wanted outside of school hours?

You still haven't got the issue. The issue was having to sign a special declaration to play a sport(union) at school whereas their was no such requirement to do so with any other sport!

 

[Whatwhere]

Lol. That registered journalist could be taken to court of his information is incorrect. You are dismissing fact you pathetic union apologist! Fancy trying to discredit a very telltale and valid piece of information. You are a low life!

Registered journalist. Why? Because it says he's a Roar Pro. You are aware of the ranking system for the community articles on the site, right? A Pro isn't a registered journalist. It's a gamified ranking system to encourage people to contribute to the site based off how many articles you've written and the comments they've attracted. He is not a staff columnist. They are referred to as Experts. It's an opinion piece written by a fan. You understand the difference?

 

[Whatwhere]

You still haven't got the issue. The issue was having to sign a special declaration to play a sport(union) at school whereas their was no such requirement to do so with any other sport!

And you seem to be avoiding answering how signing that supposed (which could have been a waiver or insurance for the record) declaration to participate in a school based event could have in any way bound you to anything outside of the standard school hours.