The Manchester United thread

[Vossy]

 

[Twizzle]

I read last week where Fergie said he was gonna walk out of the club if they sold Ronny, akin to a child throwing his toys out of the cot.

 

[Tommy Smith]

I read last week where Fergie said he was gonna walk out of the club if they sold Ronny, akin to a child throwing his toys out of the cot.

Not really. It's not as if the bloke has been at the club for a couple of years and is yet to achieve anything.

Selling Ronaldo would clearly be taking a step backwards. And with everything Fergie has acheived at ManU why would he want to stick around if the owners were to sacrifice trophies for money?

 

[Twizzle]

Not really. It's not as if the bloke has been at the club for a couple of years and is yet to achieve anything.

Selling Ronaldo would clearly be taking a step backwards. And with everything Fergie has acheived at ManU why would he want to stick around if the owners were to sacrifice trophies for money?

not really hard to achieve what he has done considering the budget he has had to work with

just about any manager can win EPL and CL with the best players in the world at their disposal

the real challenge would be to do it on a low budget, which he has never had to do

sounds like a spoilt brat to me

 

[Tekken Lord]

not really hard to achieve what he has done considering the budget he has had to work with

just about any manager can win EPL and CL with the best players in the world at their disposal

the real challenge would be to do it on a low budget, which he has never had to do

sounds like a spoilt brat to me

All the top four have massive budgets, if you don't you can't have the best players and thus can't compete, that's why the top four is the same every years. It's not a challenge to do it with less money it's not possible. He's been at Man Utd for how long and won how many trophies? Hasn't he earnt the right to act like a spoilt brat?

 

[Mad Dogg]

not really hard to achieve what he has done considering the budget he has had to work with

just about any manager can win EPL and CL with the best players in the world at their disposal

the real challenge would be to do it on a low budget, which he has never had to do

sounds like a spoilt brat to me

:lol:

You do realise he had a career before joining Man Utd, right? He not only broke the Old Firm dominance with Aberdeen, but he also had European success with them. In his seven years there they won three league titles, four Scottish Cups, the European Cup Winner's Cup, the European Super Cup and a League Cup. An incredible feat for such a small club.

And when he joined Man Utd we were hardly the world beaters we are today. Hell, we were flirting with relegation. He turned us around, and put in place the base for why we are so successful today.

ps. In terms of net spent, Liverpool have spent almost as much as Man Utd since the beginning of the Premier League.

 

[Mad Dogg]

There's a lot of media BS about Ronaldo. Saying that he's going to force his way out, demand to be sold, etc. The reality is that he'd be happy to join Real if they offer so much Man Utd accept the bid. Otherwise, he'll happily stay at Man Utd for a few more seasons. Undoubtedly he wants to go to Spain at some point, but he's not in any rush.

I'm 95% certain he'll still be a Man Utd player next season, and about 70% the season after that. It's the following season that he might start feeling it's time.

 

[Avenger]

:lol:

You do realise he had a career before joining Man Utd, right? He not only broke the Old Firm dominance with Aberdeen, but he also had European success with them. In his seven years there they won three league titles, four Scottish Cups, the European Cup Winner's Cup, the European Super Cup and a League Cup. An incredible feat for such a small club.

And when he joined Man Utd we were hardly the world beaters we are today. Hell, we were flirting with relegation. He turned us around, and put in place the base for why we are so successful today.

ps. In terms of net spent, Liverpool have spent almost as much as Man Utd since the beginning of the Premier League.

I didn't know that. That is a massive achievement.

 

[Twizzle]

All the top four have massive budgets, if you don't you can't have the best players and thus can't compete, that's why the top four is the same every years.

I know all the top 4 have massive budgets,

thats what happens when you play CL football, does alot for your income

however, the other three dont spend anywhere near as much as Manure, they should therefore be expected to win

It's not a challenge to do it with less money

bullsh*t

it's not possible. He's been at Man Utd for how long and won how many trophies? Hasn't he earnt the right to act like a spoilt brat?

exactly what I said, he's a spoilt brat

 

[Twizzle]

:lol:

You do realise he had a career before joining Man Utd, right?

Joe Bjeke Peterson had a political career before he was Qld premier, then they couldn't get him out

With the money Fergie has at his disposal, anything less than EPL and CL would now be a failure

He not only broke the Old Firm dominance with Aberdeen, but he also had European success with them. In his seven years there they won three league titles, four Scottish Cups, the European Cup Winner's Cup, the European Super Cup and a League Cup. An incredible feat for such a small club.

And when he joined Man Utd we were hardly the world beaters we are today. Hell, we were flirting with relegation. He turned us around, and put in place the base for why we are so successful today.

ps. In terms of net spent, Liverpool have spent almost as much as Man Utd since the beginning of the Premier League.

almost being the operative word, he still spends more than anyone else

 

[Dragooner]

Go play Football Manager 08, play as a club with no money, then play with that same club and modify the game to give yourself an enormous transfer budget...

Proof ;-)

 

[stuke]

almost being the operative word, he still spends more than anyone else

what's Chelseas excuse for the last two seasons then?

 

[Tekken Lord]

I know all the top 4 have massive budgets,

thats what happens when you play CL football, does alot for your income

however, the other three dont spend anywhere near as much as Manure, they should therefore be expected to win



bullsh*t



exactly what I said, he's a spoilt brat

The other three don't spend nearly as much as Man Utd :lol:

What imaginary land do you live in? Chelsea's player salary is 140 million pounds, Man Utd 85 million, Liverpool 80 million and Arsenal 75 million. Chelsea should be ashamed that they didn't win a trophy last season, least you could do is get your facts right.

Spoilt brat towards Man Utd? so what he's earned it, with what he's achieved he can do whatever he wants towards Utd...

 

[Mad Dogg]

however, the other three dont spend anywhere near as much as Manure, they should therefore be expected to win

almost being the operative word, he still spends more than anyone else

:?

Do you actually follow football? :lol: Chelsea have spent far more in the last five years than Man Utd have in the 17 years of the Premiership. I thought that was so obvious I didn't even mention it, but obviously you need it pointed out.

We spent a fair bit last season on Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani and getting Tevez on loan (about the same as Liverpool spent on Torres, Babel, Lucas and Benayoun), but the two seasons before that we almost made a profit in terms of buys vs sales.

 

[ParraDude_Jay]

I read last week where Fergie said he was gonna walk out of the club if they sold Ronny, akin to a child throwing his toys out of the cot.

not really hard to achieve what he has done considering the budget he has had to work with

just about any manager can win EPL and CL with the best players in the world at their disposal

the real challenge would be to do it on a low budget, which he has never had to do

sounds like a spoilt brat to me

For crying out loud, that's beyond blind hate :lol: Ridiculous.

 

[fish eel]

what do you giuys think of this?

'In two or three days time I will announce my future because the tournament is over for me,' he said in Portuguese after the game.


'I will speak to Manchester United.


'I will try to reach an agreement and we will see.'

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=549264&cc=3436

I know Fergie has said he wont sell, but do you think that is biting your nose off despite for face? One player has never been bigger than Man U - if he wants to leave, why not sell him for massive dollars, but 3 or 4 players and probably have a deeper and better squad?

Or is Cristiano Ronaldo Man U?

 

[Twizzle]

For crying out loud, that's beyond blind hate :lol: Ridiculous.

my but some of you guys are precious about Fergie, I dont hate him at all, I was commenting on what he said about throwing his toys out of the cot if Ronny left

The other three don't spend nearly as much as Man Utd :lol:

sure, whats Ronny on again ?

of course you can back all this up, or is this what you would like us all to believe

Spoilt brat towards Man Utd? so what he's earned it, with what he's achieved

exactly the point I made and you agree,

as to whether he's earned the right to carry on like that I would dispute, he's supposed to be a mature adult

 

[ParraDude_Jay]

what do you giuys think of this?



http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=549264&cc=3436

I know Fergie has said he wont sell, but do you think that is biting your nose off despite for face? One player has never been bigger than Man U - if he wants to leave, why not sell him for massive dollars, but 3 or 4 players and probably have a deeper and better squad?

Or is Cristiano Ronaldo Man U?

What 2 - 3 players could replace him? Ronaldinho? Past it, ridiculous wages. Kaka? Happy in Milan. Villa? Prefers to stay in Spain. Benzema? Prefers Spain, wants to stay in Lyon for another season. Eto'o? Lots of baggage (and injuries). Anybody else and you're looking at scraps not fit to lace Ronaldo's boots (Bentley, Santa Cruz etc.). Even if we did get one of those top class players, you're still taking the risk of them not handling English football, or not enjoying English life.

And United aren't cutting off their nose to spite their face, we're the current European champions who have developed this talented kid with too many tricks and not enough substance into the best in the world, why should he be sold? Because Real have more money than class? It's a matter of principle as much as us wanting to retain him.

I do think we can survive without him. If he goes (and I now think he will, especially since Queiroz is likely to be leaving aswell), I fancy Rooney to be the one to replace him, people seem to forget what a talent he is, out of the shadow of Ronaldo I think he will really step up.

my but some of you guys are precious about Fergie, I dont hate him at all, I was commenting on what he said about throwing his toys out of the cot if Ronny left

He hasn't actually said anything like that, and I'm mainly talking about your..

not really hard to achieve what he has done considering the budget he has had to work with

just about any manager can win EPL and CL with the best players in the world at their disposal

the real challenge would be to do it on a low budget, which he has never had to do

sounds like a spoilt brat to me

comment. Absolutely ridiculous, Mad Dogg's already highlighted why (and you've done well to ignore that part of his post ;-)).

 

[Tekken Lord]

my but some of you guys are precious about Fergie, I dont hate him at all, I was commenting on what he said about throwing his toys out of the cot if Ronny left



sure, whats Ronny on again ?

of course you can back all this up, or is this what you would like us all to believe



exactly the point I made and you agree,

as to whether he's earned the right to carry on like that I would dispute, he's supposed to be a mature adult

I can't remember how much Ronaldo's on and i can't be bothered to look it up but it's less than Rio Ferdinand, that much i'm sure about. Fergie has earned the right! but only in the way he acts towards Utd which is exactly what is in question.

 

[fish eel]

What 2 - 3 players could replace him? Ronaldinho? Past it, ridiculous wages. Kaka? Happy in Milan. Villa? Prefers to stay in Spain. Benzema? Prefers Spain, wants to stay in Lyon for another season. Eto'o? Lots of baggage (and injuries). Anybody else and you're looking at scraps not fit to lace Ronaldo's boots (Bentley, Santa Cruz etc.). Even if we did get one of those top class players, you're still taking the risk of them not handling English football, or not enjoying English life.

No player is irreplacable.

What I am saying is, if he wants to go, sell him, use that money to buy two or three high quality players, who, as individuals might not be as good as Ronaldo, but as a collective give you a deeper squad.

And United aren't cutting off their nose to spite their face, we're the current European champions who have developed this talented kid with too many tricks and not enough substance into the best in the world, why should he be sold? Because Real have more money than class? It's a matter of principle as much as us wanting to retain him.

I think talk of sitting the guy in the stands rather than sell is cutting your nose of despite your face, Ferguson has made comments along those lines I believe.

The other thing, whenever someone looked like becoming an unsettling influence, or getting a bit big for their boots, Fergie sold them. seems to me those rules now seem to be different for Ronalda