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The myth of the 'big 5' Sydney clubs

Bandwagon

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Statistically speaking, too small a sample size, with too many variables to draw any meaningful conclusion.
 

WireMan

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Fun fact: our average away crowd is 5000 more than our average home crowd from 99-13. And our away average has been higher every single year. I honestly think we have more fans outside our areas than within them. We consistently bring in big crowds for every other bloody team. :(

Sounds like someone wants a relocation...

What is your fan base like on the Central Coast? ;-)
 

Brutus

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If Souths don't finish with an average over 20k then it will be massively disappointing.


They should get 35k plus against the Dogs and 30k plus against the Chooks which will help things along.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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More accurately...

The NRL started pushing memberships around 2007-2008.
In the following years, through a combination of good form streaks at the right time and good marketing, a few teams jumped ahead of the pack, pulling 15k+ crowds for a couple of years. They were labelled 'the big 5' by the media and a good portion of LU's resident dribblers. The Sydney teams that cleearly had the most fans and were not at all basically in the right place (on the ladder) at the right time.

Fast forward a few years, and some of those teams have hit poor form, and others have gained some ground in membership. Suddenly, 3 of the BIG 5 are pulling crowds that would make Cronulla and Easts 2009 embarrassed.

Based on the above statistics, I can only conclude (based on LU's past wisdom) that:
- Parra have no fans
- Dragons must be relocated to Nauru
- Wests and Penrith should merge

Myth busted.

So. You're saying Sydney people like winners?

Get out of town.
 

Eelementary

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2009 (when the eels made the grand final)

Average home crowd
12,862

Courtesy of RL project

We made the Grand Final from 8th after pulling our fingers out in the second half of the year.

I'll gladly admit that the Eels have a large contingent of bandwagon fans, but which team doesn't? Ffs - we came last last year, will win the spoon again in 2013 and still average more than Wests and St. George.
 

Card Shark

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We made the Grand Final from 8th after pulling our fingers out in the second half of the year.

I'll gladly admit that the Eels have a large contingent of bandwagon fans, but which team doesn't? Ffs - we came last last year, will win the spoon again in 2013 and still average more than Wests and St. George.

No 2 ways about it - onfield success is directly proportional to attendances.
 

Danish

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We made the Grand Final from 8th after pulling our fingers out in the second half of the year.

I'll gladly admit that the Eels have a large contingent of bandwagon fans, but which team doesn't? Ffs - we came last last year, will win the spoon again in 2013 and still average more than Wests and St. George.


I believe that is the OP's point.

Fans of certain clubs and the media just loved trumpeting good attendance figures a couple years back as proof of how HUGE their respective clubs were.... but clearly the crowd figures show that all clubs' attendances are linked to on field performance.

When the roosters were consistently good back in the early 2000s our crowds were only rivaled by the dogs in NSW - another early 2000s powerhouse. When we sucked, the dropped back down. Same story for every club, yet for some reason people like to lay the boot into Easts' attendances all the time.

Dragons fans in particular seem to love nothing more than to take credit for everybody else's crwods (see Jason Maher's post in this thread)... despite rarely averaging more than 15-16k, even in the years when they were the clear benchmark side of the competition
 

Danish

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Start a thread about a perpetuated myth and then perpetuate another myth. :crazy:

Manly fans are no more insular than fans of Penrith, Cronulla or Easts.


Easts fans actually DO travel. We draw very respectable away crowds.

I would certainly support Manly fans being more willing to travel than Penrith though. There were far more manly fans there on monday night than there would usually be panthers fans when we host them on a sunday afternoon
 

bobmar28

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More accurately...

The NRL started pushing memberships around 2007-2008.
In the following years, through a combination of good form streaks at the right time and good marketing, a few teams jumped ahead of the pack, pulling 15k+ crowds for a couple of years. They were labelled 'the big 5' by the media and a good portion of LU's resident dribblers. The Sydney teams that cleearly had the most fans and were not at all basically in the right place (on the ladder) at the right time.

Fast forward a few years, and some of those teams have hit poor form, and others have gained some ground in membership. Suddenly, 3 of the BIG 5 are pulling crowds that would make Cronulla and Easts 2009 embarrassed.

Based on the above statistics, I can only conclude (based on LU's past wisdom) that:
- Parra have no fans
- Dragons must be relocated to Nauru
- Wests and Penrith should merge

Myth busted.

And be based in Liverpool.
 

firechild

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Easts fans actually DO travel. We draw very respectable away crowds.

I would certainly support Manly fans being more willing to travel than Penrith though. There were far more manly fans there on monday night than there would usually be panthers fans when we host them on a sunday afternoon

The funny thing is, everyone loves complaining about Manly fans not travelling away from the Peninsular but not a lot of away fans travel to Brookie. Souffs and occasionally Canterbury get good numbers and this year the Roosters had a decent number but generally, Brookie is packed with Manly fans almost exclusively. You could count on 2 QLD hands the number of Canberra and Newcastle fans but not being Sydney teams that is unsurprising. Cronulla brought only a handful more. I don't think any Penrith fans actually know where Brookvale is.
 
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This thread should be more correctly titled "The myth of the Sydney clubs".

Let's have a look outside of Sydney.

1. Brisbane. Clearly head and shoulders above anything else the NRL has to offer. The trendsetters, not likely to be caught be the cockroaches anytime in our lives. Rating: A

2. Melbourne. Having their best crowds ever. All of this in a city that is saturated with football teams that its' residents aren't frightened of supporting in person. Like, say, Sydney. But move on. Melbourne is doing fantastically. Rating: A

3. New Zealand: Have built up a solid niche for themselves in the city of sails. Can build on this base in the next few years. Rating B-

4. North Queensland: Stemmed the flow in recent years and has kept crowds at a respectable level. Rating: C

5. Gold Coast: Holding on by their fingertips. On the long road to reengage the coast after the previous administration disenfranchised most. Rating: C-

6. Newcastle: The wheels are slowly coming off their crowd figures just like the wheel have come off Tinkler's "empire". Rating: C-

7. Canberra: Wasting the NRL's oxygen when it comes to crowds. The excuse-ridden poor crowds huddle around in an empty venue that makes an echo chamber look vibrant. The best thing you can say about their "crowds" is that they are higher than the four-digit figures they posted for much of the 80s. Just. Rating: E+

You've done the Sydney teams to death, but here's a quick wrap up:

1. Bulldogs: Solid averages. Would be nice to see them became a real high drawing team like the Swans in the next decade. Until then, still on the reserves bench. Rating: B.

2. Cronulla: Doing alright by their own modest standards, but certainly not capable of drawing the sort of crowds one would expect from a self-appointed global city hosting national sporting teams. Venue would be at home in the Queensland Cup. Rating: C-

3. Manly: Aside from some statistical noise, Manly's crowds have been paused since the middle of last decade. Don't expect them do going anywhere in the next decade. Rating: C-

4. Parramatta: Or as they should be called, Greater Western Parramatta. Enough said. Rating: D

5. Penrith: Calling Penrith a heartland of rugby league is like calling the Vatican a heartland of Hinduism. Clearly out of their depth in a national competition. Another home ground that is not much better than Langlands Park. Rating: E+

6. Souths: For all of the LOLling @Souffs they are carving something out during their tenancy @ANZ Stadium the Second. For a team with multiple generations of failure etched into their double helices, they are somehow coping. If they ever manage to translate their membership into their crowd base... watch out. Rating: C+

7. Dragons: Two supporter bases. About two supporters in toto, it seems, as well. Another park team pulling park crowds in Sydney. Rating: D

8. Roosters: Having one thing going for them, and he is known by three initials. If SBW goes AWL then crowds will POQ. Rating: C+

9. Wests: If Penrith, Parramatta and Cronulla didn't exist you would call their crowds a singular embarrassment. Instead the are collectively a quadral embarrasment. Which still makes them an embarrasment. Rating: D-
 
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murraymob

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Easts fans actually DO travel. We draw very respectable away crowds.

I would certainly support Manly fans being more willing to travel than Penrith though. There were far more manly fans there on monday night than there would usually be panthers fans when we host them on a sunday afternoon

Rubbish
You have a multi million dollar stadium in the heart of the city.You have a stadium that boast triple the corparate boxes your attendance should be double penrith.How many rooster or manly fans would travil to Darwin to watch them.We have a large supporter group going up there
Simple fact on field performance decides the fan base.We are working towards fixing that. The rest will folow
 

Loudstrat

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Gave them a massive boost going into the next season, their run was perfectly timed. Crowds have been on the decline since.
Yeah, 3 solid months in 2009 should really boost crowds 4 years later :crazy:

This thread should be more correctly titled "The myth of the Sydney clubs".

Let's have a look outside of Sydney.

1. Brisbane. Clearly head and shoulders above anything else the NRL has to offer. The trendsetters, not likely to be caught be the cockroaches anytime in our lives. Rating: A
The biggest one team town on the planet -yet their residents are less likely to attend games than Sydney residents. Rating: Z

2. Melbourne. Having their best crowds ever. All of this in a city that is saturated with football teams that its' residents aren't frightened of supporting in person. Like, say, Sydney. But move on. Melbourne is doing fantastically. Rating: A
Endless money, promotion and premierships thrown at them, plus their poster boy missing at least 20 weeks of suspension because he is teflon coated. Rating: Y-
 

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