The Pride thread 🌈

[the phantom menace]

We are all one. All connected. Just enjoy the ride. That's all it is.

Why merkins are so serious.

Exactly. Who'd have thought seeing or having to live with some scary rainbow colours could get some priviliged people so uptight...

 

[hindy111]

I'm empathic to people's experiences as well. I don't think anyone on here isn't....except for El Diablo.

I'm happy to accept your explanation when it comes to interactions with people close to us. But it falls over when it comes to encountering people you've never met before which happens on a daily basis.

If gender isn't defined by biology then in that situation it is impossible to know how someone "is recognised in the community" without taking a guess based on their apparent biology.

If a man wears a dress and looks like a female or a female is trying to look like a man then you've probably got a good chance of getting it right. But if we deviate from that and make it something more cerebral and less defined then I think its uneccesarily confusing. There is already alot of space to play within the spectrum of butch male ----> feminine woman. Anything beyond that seems self-indulgent for mine. It's also retrogressive and creates division where it isn't needed.


Just lift your f**ken game FFS.


I think thats a naive and reactionary comment, but I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on this.


If you are going to have a discussion about what gender means then you should have a least thought it through and be able to describe what you think it is rather than just parrot some flawed definition with more holes in it than Hindy111's Spider Man undies.

All words have broad meanings and all concepts have paramaters in which they can be defined. Your copied definition of gender is unlike any other defined word in the english language.

What I'm gathering is that gender = whatever the f**k anyone wants it to be if it makes them feel good about themselves and anyone who disagrees is supposedly intolerant.

You've goosed yourself on this one and your reaction to being found out as having

+ No foundation behind your thinking; and
+ No clarity or understanding of what gender actually means.

Has resulted in you being triggered and you are now lashing out.

I award you an A for effort, but sadly an F for delivery. You are lucky though because I still love you.

I haven't worn undies in 20yrs.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Some people would freak if the boy played with cars!

I propose an experiment;

Maybe a study of 100 boys and 100 girls aged 1 yr 6 months

Place a Tonka truck 5 ft to the left and barbie 5 ft to the right of the kid.

See which toy the rugrat naturally crawls towards.

If it’s all mixed up, Menace wins and young Gary can change the shitty nappies.

What if its an electric tonka and a gender neutral barbie?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Wow i haven't seen a hiding like this since Rodney King, Guts has given Bart Phantom Menace ally guy an absolute caning. But he keeps coming back for more respect.

I respect his tenacity.

 

[hindy111]

Exactly. Who'd have thought seeing or having to live with some scary rainbow colours could get some priviliged people so uptight...

I thought if I got to the end of the rainbow I'd end up with a pot of gold ffa

 

[hindy111]

What if its an electric tonka and a gender neutral barbie?

You ever seen KEN naked? I'll tell you something. He seems to have had his cock removed.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Gary and Pou think when girls are born they take a liking to Barbie toys, can cook, want to play netball and they like the colour pink. Lol.

With all due respect go back and look at all of my comments and give yourself a dozen on the way through. I've been very clear about about gender being a spectrum linked to gender.

Of course boys play dress up and girls play football. I know I played dress up all the time. Still do!

 

[hindy111]

With all due respect go back and look at all of my comments and give yourself a dozen on the way through. I've been very clear about about gender being a spectrum linked to gender.

Of course boys play dress up and girls play football. I know I played dress up all the time. Still do!

Do you have any photos? I'll swap ya

 

[the phantom menace]

I'm happy to accept your explanation when it comes to interactions with people close to us. But it falls over when it comes to encountering people you've never met before which happens on a daily basis.

If gender isn't defined by biology then in that situation it is impossible to know how someone "is recognised in the community" without taking a guess based on their apparent biology.

But my point much earlier is that we usually don't even need to take that guess in those situations... if we stop thinking in the simplistic biological he/she boxes. Just saying hello to someone doesn't require a judgment/knoledge of their gender, I can refer to them directly as "you" during conversation without gender. I can't think of any encounters where gender knowledge about a stranger is a requirement in any way.

If a man wears a dress and looks like a female or a female is trying to look like a man then you've probably got a good chance of getting it right. But if we deviate from that and make it something more cerebral and less defined then I think its uneccesarily confusing. There is already alot of space to play within the spectrum of butch male ----> feminine woman. Anything beyond that seems self-indulgent for mine. It's also retrogressive and creates division where it isn't needed.

Accept that you think it's self indulgent, divisive etc - but respectfully I think that says more about you in the situation than the other person. We've both said we'd respect someone preferred gender identity if it were know to us, and I don't think there's many situations where it's out of the box and not known to us where it's important or even confusing (see above point).

I think thats a naive and reactionary comment, but I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on this.

Happy to agree to disagree as well, but at least you know how trifling these "concerns" about people's gender preference seem - see someone else's (and your own?) Ukraine comment above for context.

If you are going to have a discussion about what gender means then you should have a least thought it through and be able to describe what you think it is rather than just parrot some flawed definition with more holes in it than Hindy111's Spider Man undies.

You asked for a definition, so I found you one, ffs. I've tried several times to indicate that gender is not biological, not the same as genetic sexes, not the same as sexual preference, and answered your question that I would accept it as a free-for-all (your words) that it is cerebral and individual.

That's what it means to me, and so that has been the description - if together with the requested definition that's not enough for you, then maybe there's some more blinker-free thinking needed to come to grips with what is seeming like it must be a new concept today? If so, that's a win for World Pride right there.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Exactly. Who'd have thought seeing or having to live with some scary rainbow colours could get some priviliged people so uptight...

Bartman: Rainbow is good
Someone else: What do you mean by rainbow?
Bartman: I mean. Its good.
Someone else: No seriously what do you actually mean?
Bartman: YuO aRe SoOoO TrIggErEd and InToLEraNt!!!

 

[the phantom menace]

What I'm gathering is that gender = whatever the f**k anyone wants it to be if it makes them feel good about themselves and anyone who disagrees is supposedly intolerant.

You're getting there. I'd say intolerant (purposefully) or acidently bigoted - unaware, uneducated on these concepts (which includes an unwillingness to be open to them).

You've goosed yourself on this one and your reaction to being found out as having

+ No foundation behind your thinking; and
+ No clarity or understanding of what gender actually means.

Has resulted in you being triggered and you are now lashing out.

I award you an A for effort, but sadly an F for delivery. You are lucky though because I still love you.

I respect to differ. I'm not triggered, but I am disappointed. As stated much earlier in the thread, I did think we as a society were better than this... so the least I could do was put in some effort in the Pride thread, on Mardi Gras weekend.

And I still love you too

It's been fun, and maybe some people reading have learnt some things - or have felt supported in their own individual experience of gender and/or sexual orientation through respect and tolerance for that).

 

[the phantom menace]

I thought if I got to the end of the rainbow I'd end up with a pot of gold ffa

What's at the end of Satan's rainbow?

 

[the phantom menace]

Fixed it for you.

Phantom Menace: Rainbow is good
Pride thread doubter: What do you mean by rainbow?
Phantom Menace: I mean. Its good.
Another Pride thread doubter: No seriously what do you actually mean?
Phantom Menace: <explains, with requested link, explains further>
Pride thread doubters: <do not understand new concepts> YuO aRe SoOoO TrIggErEd and InToLEraNt!!!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

They are smaller.

You're thinking of their puny biceps.

 

[IFR33K]

I played with barbie dolls with my sister and cousins. I reckon nobody cared then. I also played with cars.
People would most likely make a big deal about it nowdays if I boy played with Barbies.

And so they should. You’re in your 40’s, aren’t you?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

With all due respect go back and look at all of my comments and give yourself a dozen on the way through. I've been very clear about about gender being a spectrum linked to gender.

Of course boys play dress up and girls play football. I know I played dress up all the time. Still do!

Ok, I’ll retract it then.

But over the week, all I’d ask you to do is ponder the fate of the croc and hopefully join me in condemning it’s unnecessary death.

I’m setting up a anti domestic violence thread in a few weeks, hopefully you can contribute.

I’ll have lots of stats for Pou to try to mount me with. He’s welcome too.

 

[84 Baby]

Hey @84 Baby - How many genders are there?

One. Love is love baby

 

[Gary Gutful]

But my point much earlier is that we usually don't even need to take that guess in those situations... if we stop thinking in the simplistic biological he/she boxes. Just saying hello to someone doesn't require a judgment/knoledge of their gender, I can refer to them directly as "you" during conversation without gender. I can't think of any encounters where gender knowledge about a stranger is a requirement in any way.

Accept that you think it's self indulgent, divisive etc - but respectfully I think that says more about you in the situation than the other person. We've both said we'd respect someone preferred gender identity if it were know to us, and I don't think there's many situations where it's out of the box and not known to us where it's important or even confusing (see above point).

Of course I am going to respect someone in that situation as well.

I just think its delusion being pitched as something progressive. Its not even really about LBGTQI+ issues for me. I respect the right of anyone to do anything and be whoever they want. My sister in law is now my brother in law and it hasnt changed anything for me. I abhor discrimination in all its forms.

What I find most difficult about it is the looseness around the definition of a word that should mean something and sit within some basic parameters. Its counterproductive, unnecessary, divisive and logically flawed.

I'd be equally vocal on here if we were talking about redefining some other well established construct based on how any one individual feels and creating an environment where that level of vaguery was not only tolerated but encouraged and anyone who questions it is considered intolerant.

Are you OK if we just start redefining other words to avoid the risk of someone being offended because it is too narrow and restrictive to properly describe them. Where do you draw the line?

Happy to agree to disagree as well, but at least you know how trifling these "concerns" about people's gender preference seem - see someone else's (and your own?) Ukraine comment above for context.

I haven't at any stage suggested that its a major issue, but I would point out that people concerned that gender as a construct isn't vague enough for them could probably benefit from putting their own issues into context with Ukraine as well.

You asked for a definition, so I found you one, ffs. I've tried several times to indicate that gender is not biological, not the same as genetic sexes, not the same as sexual preference, and answered your question that I would accept it as a free-for-all (your words) that it is cerebral and individual.

That's what it means to me, and so that has been the description - if together with the requested definition that's not enough for you, then maybe there's some more blinker-free thinking needed to come to grips with what is seeming like it must be a new concept today? If so, that's a win for World Pride right there.

Basically, its whatever anyone decides it is for them. Fair enough, but sounds a bit naive and blinkered.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Ok, I’ll retract it then.

But over the week, all I’d ask you to do is ponder the fate of the croc and hopefully join me in condemning it’s unnecessary death.

I’m setting up a anti domestic violence thread in a few weeks, hopefully you can contribute.

I’ll have lots of stats for Pou to try to mount me with. He’s welcome too.

OK. I can do that, but I draw the line at making donations. Particularly when I know you'll just put the money through the pokies at Wests Leagues Club.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Fixed it for you.

Phantom Menace: Rainbow is good
Pride thread doubter: What do you mean by rainbow?
Phantom Menace: I mean. Its good.
Another Pride thread doubter: No seriously what do you actually mean?
Phantom Menace: <explains, with requested link, explains further>
Pride thread doubters: <do not understand new concepts> YuO aRe SoOoO TrIggErEd and InToLEraNt!!!

*Phantom doubters