Poupou Escobar
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My idea of freedom is that you don't have to give a f**k what I think. Just don't come at me with your .org junk science.
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My idea of freedom is that you don't have to give a f**k what I think. Just don't come at me with your .org junk science.
Hang on, isn't that what transwomen think girls are born like?
You haven't given me any confidence that you understand any of this. I had to literally prize a definition out of you because you were talking in riddles. I even pointed out holes in that definition.
You keep trying to take the high road by suggesting I am intolerant and/or uneducated on these issues. I'm neither of those things and its a crap position from which to discuss issues.I respect to differ. I'm not triggered, but I am disappointed. As stated much earlier in the thread, I did think we as a society were better than this... so the least I could do was put in some effort in the Pride thread, on Mardi Gras weekend.
And I still love you too
It's been fun, and maybe some people reading have learnt some things - or have felt supported in their own individual experience of gender and/or sexual orientation through respect and tolerance for that).
Apparently gender is nothing more than a self-referential label with no other purpose than to provide pronouns, so you can force others to play your twisted game.
No wait, looks like it's just about rainbows now.
Now the definition seems to be about what it's not. Still f**k all about what it is. Or even what the point of gender is if it's not connected to anything objective or empirical.
It is gaslighting at social scale.
You're entitled to your thoughts, and it seems unlikely you're open to changing them.
Again you're entitled to your thoughts and difficulties with a less structured concept.
I'll take you at your word, but haven't seen you as worked up about other concepts. Was gender (as distinct from biological sex) well-established, or redefined really. Sure the 84 types etc rather than the original two (or three if people allowed a simple non-binary) might be a challenge to anyone who has the luxury of not searching for themself in a limiting (to them) binary... but I think the various reactions to the fulsome concept of gender are a bit OTT to be honest. Live and let live, what's the problem?
Yeah, in between possible contemplation of suicide while they're trying to find an angle on why they don't seem to fit a limiting/historical system and looking for any thing to grasp onto to give them future hope. Astoundingly respectful....
Again, you're entitled to your thoughts, and the difficulties you're experiencing with what seems a new concept (that may not apply to or be relevant to you, but is of vital importance to others).
No, I've just told you that your idea of a reliable source is very different from mine. I've prewarned you, to avoid frustration.
I don't see how I could be, since I didn't make an assertion either way. Just like you, I don't know if they do. I'd say it's unknowable, but I gave evidence why they might, and conceded they might not.
Mate this is common knowledge, and part of the virtuous victim narrative. If you need evidence of this you are probably too far behind the eight ball for any discussion. Here's some official government information:
www.healthdirect.gov.au
Yeah why would a pedophile lie about their sexual orientation ffs. They probably haven't even decided what gender they are.
Ah yes of course the stats! Primary data ffs! It's all there on the internet!
Just because he's married to Aunt Betty doesn't mean Uncle Ken is heterosexual.
Only because no merkin would let him near their children unsupervised. I agree the best predators know how to hide. They are well versed in deception, and when they're caught they might say absolutely anything to cops, judges or 'researchers'.
Domestic violence? I can't get an erection unless my husband slaps me around.
That clearly makes three of us then, if (like Pou) you are struggling to separate the cencept of gender from your previous associations (in your case biological sex, in his case sexual orientation).
They say you get down with dogs you get up with fleas... and maybe if you waded in trying to talk on behalf of Pou's fly-eaten cod philosophy contributions, then you may have felt some of my distain (and digs by association).
Still doesn't understand the possible experiences of people different to oneself, or some arbitrarily measured statistic...
It's more that we know the purpose of biological sex, and it can be objectively verified. Ergo it is a real thing. What is gender other than an entirely subjective vehicle for pronouns?
As stated, the purpose of gender as a concept is to reflect a person's experience of alignment with (cis) or mis-alignment with their deemed biological sex - and everything that socially/culturally might entail.
Arbitrary like gender?
No they haven't. Nobody has ever been able to explain it, and they seem to know that if they try, they will be forced to admit that it's bullshit. This is why they eventually fall back to the victim/oppressor narrative.
I get it. You're saying gender has nothing to do with objective facts. Understood.
Just as you are entitled to believe that words can have no meaning and their application can be vague and unverifiable. It doesn't make logical sense and isn't in a sign of anything remotely progressive or helpful.
I get the concept. I understand it completely. I've just been pointing out that its flawed.
Nah f**k it. Deals off. I'm going to take the risk of being hit by a wet lettuce.
In that scenaio I would definitely hope that person has something more to fall back on and support them than pronouns.
