The Rumours Thread

[Crush]

So I have heard that JDB is not guilty of the charges, he is guilty of cheating on his partner, that is it.
So, does the club sideline him until he is found innocent (if trial isn't until the season is underway) or do they allow him to play from round 1.
In other words, is it innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent?

 

[TruSaint]

So I have heard that JDB is not guilty of the charges, he is guilty of cheating on his partner, that is it.
So, does the club sideline him until he is found innocent (if trial isn't until the season is underway) or do they allow him to play from round 1.
In other words, is it innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent?

Dont mean to be rude @Crush , but which is it ? And how did you hear this since it hasn't gone to court yet? PS cheating on his partner is a moral issue not a criminal one. THats between them.

You say he is NOT guilty of the charges. Based on what ?

I don't dispute you have heard something, but until this matter has been dealt with I doubt he would play. The charges are too serious.

If charges are withdrawn or dismissed, his name cleared, by all means. I am a fan of JDB, and hope he clears his name, but until then, for his sake and that of the club, he should focus of the charges and his defence.

 

[Frank Facer]

Dont mean to be rude @Crush , but which is it ? And how did you hear this since it hasn't gone to court yet? PS cheating on his partner is a moral issue not a criminal one. THats between them.

You say he is NOT guilty of the charges. Based on what ?

I don't dispute you have heard something, but until this matter has been dealt with I doubt he would play. The charges are too serious.

If charges are withdrawn or dismissed, his name cleared, by all means. I am a fan of JDB, and hope he clears his name, but until then, for his sake and that of the club, he should focus of the charges and his defence.

Crush was privy to the rumours of what turned out to be DeBelin being charged before it was released by the media. Maybe Crush has some more inside info?

 

[TruSaint]

Crush was privy to the rumours of what turned out to be DeBelin being charged before it was released by the media. Maybe Crush has some more inside info?

Cheers, thats why i asked the question.

If he has info that JDB will be "cleared" then all well and good.

As it stands now, as far as we can see, JDB has a case to answer. @Crush may have private information to the contrary which would make me very happy for JDB.

I stand by my position that until he is cleared, he shouldn't play.

 

[TruSaint]

Anyway, there is a thread on this (JDB), matter, so I will leave it there.

 

[Gardenia]

Latimore has a better chance of Captaining Saints in 2020 and he wont even be there.

I know Normans indiscretions are in the past, MDMA, filming drug use etc, and yes we wish he has turned his life around for the better, but he is no Captain material.

Now that he has signed and has a new opportunity at our club, he should focus by putting in week in week out. Leave the Captaincy to some one who has earnt it.

Captaincy of our great club should be an honour.

100% Leadership needs to be earnt never given to a random

 

[Gardenia]

Cheers, thats why i asked the question.

If he has info that JDB will be "cleared" then all well and good.

As it stands now, as far as we can see, JDB has a case to answer. @Crush may have private information to the contrary which would make me very happy for JDB.

I stand by my position that until he is cleared, he shouldn't play.

I think possibly Crush has info that JDB will plead not guilty. but no one can predict how he will be “found” by the courts. I’ve seen people cleared who I believed were guilty ( the Gold Coast idiot being one ) and heard of innocent people being convicted also then later cleared when new evidence is found . So we have to wait and see.

Playing him will be a PR nightmare

But then standing him down poses legal risks if he’s found innocent or charges dropped.

Maybe JDB or his counsel will make the decision to excuse himself ? how can you concentrate on your game with such serious charges ? and the moral emotional side also with his partner etc . It’s gut wrenching for all parties all sides . Quite dangerous mentally all parties need support .

 

[Gardenia]

Deleted as I think it’s very sensitive topic to talk about . Summary is I worry for the welfare of all parties and hope all are ok.

 

[dragonssamy61]

Deleted as I think it’s very sensitive topic to talk about . Summary is I worry for the welfare of all parties and hope all are ok.

Gardenia
Well put .
I also hope that the whole truth comes out.
And all parties and the partners get all the support and help they need

 

[Crush]

Dont mean to be rude @Crush , but which is it ? And how did you hear this since it hasn't gone to court yet? PS cheating on his partner is a moral issue not a criminal one. THats between them.

You say he is NOT guilty of the charges. Based on what ?

I don't dispute you have heard something, but until this matter has been dealt with I doubt he would play. The charges are too serious.

If charges are withdrawn or dismissed, his name cleared, by all means. I am a fan of JDB, and hope he clears his name, but until then, for his sake and that of the club, he should focus of the charges and his defence.

I understand that cheating on ones partner is a moral issue not a criminal one hence why I said the only thing he is guilty of was cheating on his partner (meaning he wasn't a criminal).
Anyway, I agree its best not to talk about this.

 

[TruSaint]

I understand that cheating on ones partner is a moral issue not a criminal one hence why I said the only thing he is guilty of was cheating on his partner (meaning he wasn't a criminal).
Anyway, I agree its best not to talk about this.

all good mate.

 

[epDragon62]

Dont mean to be rude @Crush , but which is it ? And how did you hear this since it hasn't gone to court yet? PS cheating on his partner is a moral issue not a criminal one. THats between them.

You say he is NOT guilty of the charges. Based on what ?

I don't dispute you have heard something, but until this matter has been dealt with I doubt he would play. The charges are too serious.

If charges are withdrawn or dismissed, his name cleared, by all means. I am a fan of JDB, and hope he clears his name, but until then, for his sake and that of the club, he should focus of the charges and his defence.

If he is not guilty, then preventing him from playing is unfair and he is being judged by media. If guilty, rub him out, he deserves it. It is one or the other, I can’t imagine there is any grey area.

The thing is, just what exactly would you do to “focus on the charges and his defence” in real terms? I don’t know that there is much more by now that can be done prior to trial.

Realistically it is unjust and damaging to the individual to prevent him from playing but damaging to the game’s image if he does. Which principle ought to take precedence?

 

[Old Timer]

If he is not guilty, then preventing him from playing is unfair and he is being judged by media. If guilty, rub him out, he deserves it. It is one or the other, I can’t imagine there is any grey area.

The thing is, just what exactly would you do to “focus on the charges and his defence” in real terms? I don’t know that there is much more by now that can be done prior to trial.

Realistically it is unjust and damaging to the individual to prevent him from playing but damaging to the game’s image if he does. Which principle ought to take precedence?

No doubt the club and NRL have clauses in contracts about behaviour that might bring the club/game into ill-repute and these clauses will already be invoked.
The club will be fully aware by the time it gores to court of the "defence" brief for JDB and then they will make a decision to stand by him or cut him adrift.
If they stand by him I suspect he will be stood down on pay awaiting the outcome.
if they think he has a case to answer then I suspect / expect the club will cut him adrift.
What I hope doesn't happen is the pressure of money and a big settlement are exerted on the girl to actually drop the charges as this will leave the situation unresolved.
Someone is guilty of something, so now we need to find out exactly who is who in the zoo and if per chance the charges are false and misleading a big penalty might persuade other such claimants to rethink their motifs and position when in the company of others.
If JDB and his mate are guilty of anything then throw the book at them and let the NRL make a meaningful stand re what is acceptable behaviour for players within its ranks.

 

[RufusRex]

Realistically it is unjust and damaging to the individual to prevent him from playing but damaging to the game’s image if he does. Which principle ought to take precedence?

Always the game/club over the individual.
Any individual is oyvever one game away from never playing again - the game though endures.

 

[Saints Forever]

No doubt the club and NRL have clauses in contracts about behaviour that might bring the club/game into ill-repute and these clauses will already be invoked.
The club will be fully aware by the time it gores to court of the "defence" brief for JDB and then they will make a decision to stand by him or cut him adrift.
If they stand by him I suspect he will be stood down on pay awaiting the outcome.
if they think he has a case to answer then I suspect / expect the club will cut him adrift.
What I hope doesn't happen is the pressure of money and a big settlement are exerted on the girl to actually drop the charges as this will leave the situation unresolved.
Someone is guilty of something, so now we need to find out exactly who is who in the zoo and if per chance the charges are false and misleading a big penalty might persuade other such claimants to rethink their motifs and position when in the company of others.
If JDB and his mate are guilty of anything then throw the book at them and let the NRL make a meaningful stand re what is acceptable behaviour for players within its ranks.

Happy new year OT

in terms of contract clauses about bringing the game or club in to disrepute, I doubt such a clause would relate to immoral behaviour.

As long as Jack denies the charge and is ultimately found not guilty of the charge his contract is safe and he should play until the decision is known either way.

The tricky part for Saints is how to control the inevitable media circus.

 

[Old Timer]

Happy new year OT

in terms of contract clauses about bringing the game or club in to disrepute, I doubt such a clause would relate to immoral behaviour.

As long as Jack denies the charge and is ultimately found not guilty of the charge his contract is safe and he should play until the decision is known either way.

The tricky part for Saints is how to control the inevitable media circus.

Hi SF and Happy New Year to you & yours.
No doubt his contract is safe depending on the outcome or the circumstances surrounding how the outcome is derived
Even in corporate life companies have the right to stand employees down on full wages for things that happen outside company hours that might bring their employer in for unwanted media attention.

 

[Warabrook saint]

No doubt the club and NRL have clauses in contracts about behaviour that might bring the club/game into ill-repute and these clauses will already be invoked.
The club will be fully aware by the time it gores to court of the "defence" brief for JDB and then they will make a decision to stand by him or cut him adrift.
If they stand by him I suspect he will be stood down on pay awaiting the outcome.
if they think he has a case to answer then I suspect / expect the club will cut him adrift.
What I hope doesn't happen is the pressure of money and a big settlement are exerted on the girl to actually drop the charges as this will leave the situation unresolved.
Someone is guilty of something, so now we need to find out exactly who is who in the zoo and if per chance the charges are false and misleading a big penalty might persuade other such claimants to rethink their motifs and position when in the company of others.
If JDB and his mate are guilty of anything then throw the book at them and let the NRL make a meaningful stand re what is acceptable behaviour for players within its ranks.

I can't remember claimants been penalised for anything even if the accused is found innocent.....ever

 

[Old Timer]

I can't remember claimants been penalised for anything even if the accused is found innocent.....ever

I think there are a raft new laws about bringing spurious allegations.
Deformation of character might be the grounds available?

 

[George Dragon]

I think there are a raft new laws about bringing spurious allegations.
Deformation of character might be the grounds available?

Chris Gayle just won a case against a women and news outlet over false accusations.

 

[Warabrook saint]

I think there are a raft new laws about bringing spurious allegations.
Deformation of character might be the grounds available?

That would be good ,but new laws our judiciary takes a Nelson Riddle on....too soft