The switch hit

[firechild]

Anyone else find it ironic that SW agrees that playing within the rules of the game is cheating yet still claims the Storm were legit premiers in 2007 and 2009?

 

[Twizzle]

newsflash, its already been played in a test match

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Can't believe how many boring purist wowsers there are on here. Go put on your Egg and Bacon tie and take your seat in the Lords Pavilion

Says the dickhead who complains about no sound at the club and yeah send me to Lords any day of the week while you complain about over rates.

As for those who say "unless it's played in tests" obviously you missed KP do it in the Ashes

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

If you're good enough to be able to play that shot successfully, as David Warner is, then go for your life. In any form of the game. If it was so simple, and likely to become a widespread problem, then there would be a hell of alot more batsmen playing that shot. They aren't.

Warner and Pietersen have done it in recent times, can you think of anybody else? Hardly worth changing the laws of cricket. IMO it just makes them even more potent weapons - good luck to them.

The setting fields argument doesn't really count either, given the only times I've seen Warner play that shot (here and in the Champions League for NSW) he has cleared the boundary. Opposing captains should be well aware by now that Warner is capable of playing the shot, and consider their field placings accordingly.

How about the fact that they change their stance and grip? You know, there's things like LBW and wides that now come in to it.

 

[Storm_Warning]

Anyone else find it ironic that SW agrees that playing within the rules of the game is cheating yet still claims the Storm were legit premiers in 2007 and 2009?

theres nothing saying you cant do it in the rules currently, im saying it should be outlawed. get with the programme dickwad

 

[TheParraboy]

Says the dickhead who complains about no sound at the club and yeah send me to Lords any day of the week while you complain about over rates.
As for those who say "unless it's played in tests" obviously you missed KP do it in the Ashes

:lol:

 

[simmo1]

Really like the shot, let them play it.

However I think they may need to tweak the LBW rule. If you switch your hands and stance, and the ball is hitting the stumps, then you're out. No matter where it pitches or hit you.

Bowlers should also be allowed to switch arms at will too. Somehow I don't think many would do it though...

 

[MSIH]

Really like the shot, let them play it.

However I think they may need to tweak the LBW rule. If you switch your hands and stance, and the ball is hitting the stumps, then you're out. No matter where it pitches or hit you.

Bowlers should also be allowed to switch arms at will too. Somehow I don't think many would do it though...

I agree with all of that. They should also makes leg side wides redundant when someone plays the shot.

 

[Hallatia]

For a little perspective, this is the law we are calling into question, mostly the third part

Law 36 (Leg before wicket)

1. Out LBW
The striker is out LBW in the circumstances set out below.
(a) The bowler delivers a ball, not being a No ball
and (b) the ball, if it is not intercepted full pitch, pitches in line between wicket and wicket or on the off side of the striker’s wicket
and (c) the ball not having previously touched his bat, the striker intercepts the ball, either full pitch or after pitching, with any part of his person
and (d) the point of impact, even if above the level of the bails,
either (i) is between wicket and wicket
or (ii) if the striker has made no genuine attempt to play the ball with his bat, is either between wicket and wicket or outside the line of the off stump.
and (e) but for the interception, the ball would have hit the wicket.
2. Interception of the ball
(a) In assessing points (c), (d) and (e) in 1 above, only the first interception is to be considered.
(b) In assessing point (e) in 1 above, it is to be assumed that the path of the ball before interception would have continued after interception, irrespective of whether the ball might have pitched subsequently or not.
3. Off side of wicket
The off side of the striker’s wicket shall be determined by the striker’s stance at the moment the ball comes into play for that delivery. See Appendix D.
© Marylebone Cricket Club 2010
Sauce

 

[Tom Shines]

Really like the shot, let them play it.

However I think they may need to tweak the LBW rule. If you switch your hands and stance, and the ball is hitting the stumps, then you're out. No matter where it pitches or hit you.

Bowlers should also be allowed to switch arms at will too. Somehow I don't think many would do it though...

All of this.

 

[Iafeta]

This is how I see it (and I'd like to hear your feedback on this):

IF the ICC is going to give permission for a left-hander to change to a right-hander and vice versa, then it is ONLY FAIR for them to change the LBW rules for that delivery. For example, if the off-spinner Ravi Ashwin was bowling to Dave Warner over the wicket, then Dave Warner cannot be given out LBW to any ball that pitches outside leg stump (according to the rule book). However, if Warner changes to right-hand batting grip, misses it, pitches outside leg stump but hits him on the pad in line with the stumps and will hit the stumps, he should be given out LBW (if you know what I mean). The "pitching outside of leg stump" shouldn't apply because if he changes to a right-hand grip, his "new" leg stump has become his previous off stump and should be adjudicated on according to this.

Similarly, the wide ruling will also change as well. For ODIs, any ball down leg side is a wide but using the previous example, if Warner tried to change to right hand grip and he missed it down the left handed batsman's leg side, it shouldn't be a wide like it normally would if he was batting as a left hand

IIRC, the reason the outside leg pitching rule was brought in was the two West Indian left armers from way back when (I think Sonny Ramadhin and Alf Valentine) would bowl the negative leg side line with a packed leg side field and gain a considerable amount of LBW decisions.

Shall we outlaw the reverse sweep and the ramp shot aswell?

I'm just waiting for the reverse cover drive...

Those shots are still being played with the hands on the bat in the normal position.

 

[shiznit]

ill tell you what... if you ever wanted to get it outlawed... beating the indians with it is probably the fastest way to do it... :lol:

i agree with the majority here... the way the LBW and Wide rule's are at the moment... the shot isn't fair and should be outlawed.

and f**k this bullshit of allowing it in T20... that shot has already been played in test cricket... so a core rule like that should be consistent across all forms... it has nothing to do with being 'old fashioned'... its about creating an even competition between Bat and Ball.

 

[shiznit]

Says the dickhead who complains about no sound at the club and yeah send me to Lords any day of the week while you complain about over rates.

As for those who say "unless it's played in tests" obviously you missed KP do it in the Ashes

Not just the Ashes either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfbhpld4HZ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfbhpld4HZ0

 

[Horrie Is God]

Here's what Tubby thinks..

http://www.foxsports.com.au/Cricket/039skilful-but-unfair039/video-e6frf3g3-1226260816182?subcat=1225686937965&site=FoxSports

& some more..

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/xx/story-e6frf3g3-1226260901625

David Warner switch-hit six in Twenty20 international against India at ANZ Stadium polarises opinion..

FOX SPORTS February 02, 2012 2:40PM

Cricket, once again, is polarised by switch-hitting, after Australia sensation David Warner lashed a ball from Ravichandran Ashwin for six in the inaugural Twenty20 international at ANZ Stadium in Sydney.

Warner, a left-handed batsman, delighted the crowd with the first six of the game, switching stance and grip to smote the ball right handed for a maximum over his natural long-off boundary.

The shot was the highlight of the match, with foxsports.com.au user Justin Kelly of Wangaratta, Victoria, commenting on our match report that "Warner's reverse / righted handed six is one of the best shots I've ever seen".

Australia wicketkeeper Matthew Wade, the man of the match, said after the game that Warner had indicated to his teammates that he would switch-hit a ball if the opportunity presented.

"We had a team meeting and we were speaking of Ashwin, and [Warner] basically said 'if he gets in my zone, I'll switch-hit'.

"Everybody laughed.

"But he did it. Well done."

Former Australia captain Mark Taylor, in commentary, delighted in watching Warner's switch-hit six, declaring it "terrific TV", but said the shot should be outlawed.

"It's terrible, it's terrible," Taylor said.

"It's skilful,

"How can it be fair to the bowler to be able bat right handed when you go in as a left hander.

"It's skilful talent, no doubt.

"But unfair."

Warner's switch-hit six was the latest addition to his personal summer highlights reel, which features two Test hundreds against India and a blazing century for Sydney Thunder against Shane Warne's Melbourne Stars in the KFC T20 Big Bash League.

 

[Dragon]

have a f*ckin cry ladies, it happens once in a blue moon

 

[Danish]

I don't see it as any different to a fast bowler throwing down a slow ball, albeit a bit more extreme. I guess more like a fast bowler charging in then pulling up and throwing down an off spinner (which is perfectly legal I believe).

I think I would be fair though to also allow bowlers to choose to bowl over or around the wicket on a whim to even it up. Might make it a bit tougher for them to get LBW decisions but if it's restricted to T20 then that's not much of a problem

 

[Horrie Is God]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/551827.html

India in Australia 2011-12

Celebrate Warner's switch-hitting - Dussey..

Brydon Coverdale
February 2, 2012

David Warner's remarkable switch-hitting ability should be celebrated and not banned, according to his team-mate Dussey. In the third over of Wednesday's Twenty20 against India, the left-hander Warner changed his batting stance as R Ashwin was releasing a delivery, and he muscled an enormous six with a right-handed grip over what would have been deep extra cover.

Under the laws of the game Warner's move was perfectly legal, even though a bowler must tell the umpire if he is bowling with a different hand, or switching between over and around the wicket. Similarly, a fieldsman cannot deceive the batsman by significantly changing his position as the bowler runs in.

File photo: Switch-hitting is the invention of Twenty20 cricket and should be allowed, according to Dussey © AFP



Switch-hitting has been an issue in the past, when Kevin Pietersen mastered the stroke and said that he felt it was such a high-risk shot that bowlers were not disadvantaged. Dussey said Warner practised the shot regularly in the nets and that he could become a pioneer of the style, and there was no reason the stroke should not be allowed in Test cricket as well.

"I think it's innovative," Dussey said. "Dave is a very classy player, he can bat right-handed or left-handed. It's just a new invention of Twenty20 cricket and I think it definitely should be allowed. I think everything is snowballing from Twenty20 cricket. You see [Test] run-rates up to four or five an over now, so you never know, a switch hit in Test cricket, maybe to bring up a double-hundred in a day.

"I think you can [adapt to it]. You see in baseball there are people who bat both sides of the plate so there's no reason why you can't do it in cricket. Davey is probably a pioneer. Hopefully a few of the younger kids coming through can work at those skills."

As opposed to the reverse-sweep, which is often played with the hands still in their starting position on the handle of the bat, Warner's switch-hit involved a complete change of stance and hand position. When Ashwin ran in, Warner was a left-hand batsman, but as he released the ball, the batsman had become a right-hander.

Aside from the issues of fairness to the bowler and fielders, the move raises questions over umpiring, and whether wides and lbws should be adjudicated based on the original stance or the new position when the shot was played. They are the sort of grey areas that could frustrate Warner's opponents, and even Hussey conceded it was hard bowling to him.

"Dave does it to me in the nets all the time and it's frustrated me, so I beamed him," Dussey said. "I tried to hit him in the head and it didn't go down very well. We had a bit of a falling out for a couple of moments there."

Dussey said if he was bowling in a match and saw the batsman change position early enough, the best move would be to "aim at his toes so he can't swing and get into his arc".

Brydon Coverdale is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo.

 

[beads6]

I don't have a problem with it. If a batsmen is good enough to play that shot then good on him.

 

[aussies1st]

I don't even know why the media are making such a big fuss about it given it's nothing new. Warner did it countless times in the Champions League. Guess that shows how little that tournament was followed.

 

[Horrie Is God]

In case you were on the moon last night & didn't see it,here it is..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoFmI2bxpfs

The kiwi press don't seem to have a problem with it..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10782928

Cricket: Is this the best shot ever?..

12:05 PM Thursday Feb 2, 2012

David Warner turned heads in last night's Twenty20 international between Australia and India when he smashed a switch-hitted six off spinner Ravichandran Ashwin.

The Australian opener sent the ball a reported 100 metres into the stands over mid-off after changing from left-handed to right-handed mid-delivery.

David Warner of Australia switch hits for six during the International Twenty20 match between Australia and India. Photo / Getty Images


He hit 18 runs off the Ashwin over before falling in the next over for 25 as Australia went onto win by 31 runs.

Unfortunately for Ashwin it wasn't the first time Warner has dealt to him with a switch-hit six. Warner pulled off a similar shot during last year's Champions League Twenty20 tournament while playing for New South Wales against Ashwin's Chennai Super Kings, that time going on to score 135 off 69 balls.

"I've been practicing that for the last year and a half now," Warner told AAP in October.

"I just find if I can unsettle the bowler and get him to think about where to pitch the ball, it's a good thing for myself."

"Sometimes if it doesn't come off you can look like a goose but I've practised it a lot."

- NZ Herald Online staff