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The T.V Rights Thread Part III

How much will the Total Broadcast Rights Deal be?


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beave

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ted-to-new-tv-rights-deal-20120418-1x7q4.html

Expansion connected to new TV rights deal
April 19, 2012

Strong interest by broadcasters in a second Brisbane team may prompt the ARL Commission to ask TV networks to lodge a separate rights bid for an 18-team competition.

Both Fox Sports and Channel Nine are keen to televise a second Brisbane team and capitalise on the parochial ratings of Queenslanders.

With only three Queensland NRL teams in its 16-team competition - Brisbane, North Queensland and Gold Coast - Nine is frequently frustrated finding enough Queensland teams to schedule for its Friday night double header and its Sunday afternoon coverage.

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Ratings are traditionally down in Queensland when Nine shows an all-Sydney game on Sundays, such as the recent Penrith-Wests Tigers match.

Fox Sports also suffers because the free-to-air coverage of the three Queensland teams means there is less incentive for northerners to take up Foxtel subscriptions.

While Sydney subscriptions are approximately 40 per cent of households, Brisbane is in the 33 to 35 per cent range.

Nine boss David Gyngell has intimated he would pay an additional $100 million over five years in broadcast fees should a second Brisbane team be accepted, even as a 17th team, meaning a bye and the existing eight matches each week.

Broadcasters bidding for TV rights have been told to tender on the basis of a 16-team competition but ARLC chief executive David Gallop has said expansion could be factored into negotiations.

''We obviously would be interested to know what value broadcasters place on a ninth match,'' Gallop said.

A ninth match, meaning an 18th team, would draw even more broadcasting revenue, with the AFL acknowledging it drew an additional $150 million from the introduction of the low rating Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants.

Perth is widely regarded as the best option as an 18th team, given the opportunity it presents with an additional time zone. However, both Nine and Fox Sports have expressed lukewarm interest in a Perth team.

This may change if Channel Seven becomes an active bidder for the rights. Seven, unlike Nine, owns the Perth channel.

Gallop has told the Perth and Queensland bids that the commission would be unlikely to address the question of expansion until August and even then may announce there will be no new teams during the life of the next broadcast contract.

This has not deterred the Western Australia Reds spending significant sums rebranding the team.

The Brisbane Bombers, who are investing in financial modelling, are well advanced with their case to enter the competition in 2015. They point out there are only 12 games, barring finals, in Brisbane each year - compared with Sydney's 108 - and a second Brisbane team would mean the 52,000-seat Suncorp Stadium, one of Australia's best arenas, would be used for rugby league each week during the winter. A second Brisbane team offers the opportunity to break the seven-day cycle the Broncos enjoy, a privilege that antagonises other clubs.

Channel Nine's regular Friday night choice of the Broncos means the Brisbane club has a regular preparation routine, with players enjoying the weekend off, unlike teams that play on Monday nights and back up five days later on Saturdays.

If a second Brisbane team was introduced, along with fixed scheduling, the Broncos could play alternate Fridays and Sundays.

The Broncos also have cash reserves of $13.8 million, greater than the turnover of some of the NRL's poorest clubs, such as Cronulla.

Many sponsorship opportunities are lost to rugby league in Brisbane because of the exclusive deals businesses make with the Broncos, shutting out rivals.

Ipswich has also mounted a bid but the provincial city, given it provided the Walters brothers and Allan Langer, is perceived as a cheer squad for the Broncos.

A central Queensland bid is also well advanced and is led by one of the state's richest men, Geoff Murphy. A beef baron, Murphy says a Rockhampton-based team would be owned by the community, although he would maintain a significant shareholding.

''We want to capitalise on the huge playing numbers in the region,'' he said. ''The new Queensland government have promised us a 20,000-seat stadium if we win a licence.''

Murphy said a report he commissioned with LEK's Colin Smith demonstrated that an additional Queensland team would add significant extra value to a broadcasting contract. The ARLC will obviously monitor the financial health of the Titans before making any decision on a fourth Queensland team.
 

RLNY

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This is the wrong thread, but I think one of the Brisbane bids and Perth will get the nods for expansion teams in 2015.

I have a couple questions.
1. How much can 10 realistically bid for the rights?
2. Why did not 7 attempt to buy all the games and onsell them during the AFL tv rights negotiations?
 

applesauce

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This is the wrong thread, but I think one of the Brisbane bids and Perth will get the nods for expansion teams in 2015.

I have a couple questions.
1. How much can 10 realistically bid for the rights?
2. Why did not 7 attempt to buy all the games and onsell them during the AFL tv rights negotiations?

I can answer Q2.

Because 7 knew 10 didn't want the rights and 9 would be flat out keeping the NRL and wouldn't jump ships to AFL for a premium price. So therefore no competitive tension to play off 2 bidders as well as the fact that because the NRL was about to sell its' rights there was still plenty of content available to come onto the market.
 

nqboy

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Perth is widely regarded as the best option as an 18th team, given the opportunity it presents with an additional time zone. However, both Nine and Fox Sports have expressed lukewarm interest in a Perth team.
I understand Nein been lukewarm given they've done SFA to grow the game over there in the years they've done RL best, but Fox? Surely they can see the benefit of increased interest from a new team leading to increased take-up.

In any case, f*ck 'em. We're going to Perth because it'll be good for the game and you guys will have to pay for it if you want to keep the rights.
 

carlosthedwarf

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TAB Sportsbet spokesman Glenn Munsie said his betting agency would also suffer from delayed games.
"It affects the live component of our betting, most definitely so," Munsie said.

There's always a positive to any bad news.

Gallop has told the Perth and Queensland bids that the commission would be unlikely to address the question of expansion until August and even then may announce there will be no new teams during the life of the next broadcast contract.

I think it would be a huge mistake to delay expansion until after this deal, which would be 2019 (assuming 5 year deal starting in 2013).
 

Lowdown

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ted-to-new-tv-rights-deal-20120418-1x7q4.html

Expansion connected to new TV rights deal
April 19, 2012

Strong interest by broadcasters in a second Brisbane team may prompt the ARL Commission to ask TV networks to lodge a separate rights bid for an 18-team competition.

Both Fox Sports and Channel Nine are keen to televise a second Brisbane team and capitalise on the parochial ratings of Queenslanders.

With only three Queensland NRL teams in its 16-team competition - Brisbane, North Queensland and Gold Coast - Nine is frequently frustrated finding enough Queensland teams to schedule for its Friday night double header and its Sunday afternoon coverage.

Ratings are traditionally down in Queensland when Nine shows an all-Sydney game on Sundays, such as the recent Penrith-Wests Tigers match.

Fox Sports also suffers because the free-to-air coverage of the three Queensland teams means there is less incentive for northerners to take up Foxtel subscriptions.

While Sydney subscriptions are approximately 40 per cent of households, Brisbane is in the 33 to 35 per cent range.

Nine boss David Gyngell has intimated he would pay an additional $100 million over five years in broadcast fees should a second Brisbane team be accepted, even as a 17th team, meaning a bye and the existing eight matches each week.

Broadcasters bidding for TV rights have been told to tender on the basis of a 16-team competition but ARLC chief executive David Gallop has said expansion could be factored into negotiations.

''We obviously would be interested to know what value broadcasters place on a ninth match,'' Gallop said.

A ninth match, meaning an 18th team, would draw even more broadcasting revenue, with the AFL acknowledging it drew an additional $150 million from the introduction of the low rating Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants.

Perth is widely regarded as the best option as an 18th team, given the opportunity it presents with an additional time zone. However, both Nine and Fox Sports have expressed lukewarm interest in a Perth team.

This may change if Channel Seven becomes an active bidder for the rights. Seven, unlike Nine, owns the Perth channel.

Gallop has told the Perth and Queensland bids that the commission would be unlikely to address the question of expansion until August and even then may announce there will be no new teams during the life of the next broadcast contract.

This has not deterred the Western Australia Reds spending significant sums rebranding the team.

The Brisbane Bombers, who are investing in financial modelling, are well advanced with their case to enter the competition in 2015. They point out there are only 12 games, barring finals, in Brisbane each year - compared with Sydney's 108 - and a second Brisbane team would mean the 52,000-seat Suncorp Stadium, one of Australia's best arenas, would be used for rugby league each week during the winter. A second Brisbane team offers the opportunity to break the seven-day cycle the Broncos enjoy, a privilege that antagonises other clubs.

Channel Nine's regular Friday night choice of the Broncos means the Brisbane club has a regular preparation routine, with players enjoying the weekend off, unlike teams that play on Monday nights and back up five days later on Saturdays.

If a second Brisbane team was introduced, along with fixed scheduling, the Broncos could play alternate Fridays and Sundays.

The Broncos also have cash reserves of $13.8 million, greater than the turnover of some of the NRL's poorest clubs, such as Cronulla.

Many sponsorship opportunities are lost to rugby league in Brisbane because of the exclusive deals businesses make with the Broncos, shutting out rivals.

Ipswich has also mounted a bid but the provincial city, given it provided the Walters brothers and Allan Langer, is perceived as a cheer squad for the Broncos.

A central Queensland bid is also well advanced and is led by one of the state's richest men, Geoff Murphy. A beef baron, Murphy says a Rockhampton-based team would be owned by the community, although he would maintain a significant shareholding.

''We want to capitalise on the huge playing numbers in the region,'' he said. ''The new Queensland government have promised us a 20,000-seat stadium if we win a licence.''

Murphy said a report he commissioned with LEK's Colin Smith demonstrated that an additional Queensland team would add significant extra value to a broadcasting contract. The ARLC will obviously monitor the financial health of the Titans before making any decision on a fourth Queensland team.


Ok - there is a number of things that really pissed me off this morning, and should concern most league fans:

1. Please do NOT let Channel Nein dictate anything at all about the game's future. If we end up with another Brisbane team at the expense of Perth because of Channel Nein's business structure then we may as well go follow AFL because it's all over.

2. David 'flip flop' Gallop is up to his usual useless self. For years we've heard nothing but crap about compelling research that suggests there is little if not no value in expansion when it comes to generating increased revenue from TV rights.

Here's this little pearler from 2009:

...media advisers LEK Consulting had presented a report to all club bosses that suggested extra teams would not add to the value of the deal.

So all of a sudden, the freaking obvious comes out and slaps Gallop around the face, and once again, we're now having to scramble to consider whether or not expansions will be a good thing.

LEK must be laughing all the way to the bank. I reckon they have no clue, except how to line their bank balances with money from the NRL.

Gallop's lack of strategic thinking and leadership is again being shown up.

There's little doubt in my mind that we'll end up with a $1 billion+ tv rights deal, but the significant issue of control over the game will continue to be well skewed to Channel 9 and Fox Sports.

I hope I'm wrong. We need a team in Perth for many obvious reasons. The fact that Channel 9 might not like it, should be all the more reason to do it. Its all they deserve after all.
 

firechild

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Perth won't be left out. The networks (whether that be 9, Fox or 7) will want more games in Queensland which is understandable for a variety of reasons. Perth will also offer plenty for the networks. Perth and another QLD team (Bombers, Ipswich, whatever) are almost certainties at this point. $100 million for a new QLD team is up to 10% increase in revenue meaning that the extra income from the tv deal will cover the extra revenue that has to be distributed betwee the clubs. The NRL has said for a while that they want to delay expansion so that existing clubs can get a larger slice of the pie before new clubs are introduced. That will be negated if the increased revenue covers the new teams. The CC Bears bid looks dead in the water at the moment.
 

Perth Red

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lol at Gallop and the ARLC for even going to the TV execs without an 18 team structure from 2015. Of course the TV's will want to pay less and care little about the growth of the game. The more things change the more they stay the same it would seem.
 

Billythekid

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How the f*ck did the AFL manage to get an extra 150 million by adding in those 2 reject teams? Surely if they can get that much for 2 new teams who rate like absolute garbage then we should be able to get a decent amount for a Brisbane and Perth team.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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Where do the players for these expansion teams come from?

Let it build naturally and don't force it. The extra money would just go in to funding these clubs, so no one is going to be worse off as it is now if the actuall $$$$ figure is less, so long as its relative.
 

Goddo

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Perth won't be left out. The networks (whether that be 9, Fox or 7) will want more games in Queensland which is understandable for a variety of reasons. Perth will also offer plenty for the networks. Perth and another QLD team (Bombers, Ipswich, whatever) are almost certainties at this point. $100 million for a new QLD team is up to 10% increase in revenue meaning that the extra income from the tv deal will cover the extra revenue that has to be distributed betwee the clubs. The NRL has said for a while that they want to delay expansion so that existing clubs can get a larger slice of the pie before new clubs are introduced. That will be negated if the increased revenue covers the new teams. The CC Bears bid looks dead in the water at the moment.
This.

If you don't like this post, read it over and over again until you at least accept it.

and also this:

re: No expansion it's pretty obvious he's just negotiating to make sure the tv networks pay through the nose for that ninth game.
 

Brutus

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lol at Gallop and the ARLC for even going to the TV execs without an 18 team structure from 2015. Of course the TV's will want to pay less and care little about the growth of the game. The more things change the more they stay the same it would seem.

Totally agree.

Gallop has NFI...
 

Goddo

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Totally agree.

Gallop has NFI...
Can't you see this is a negotiating stratergy? I'd say its comes from LEK...

They have gone almost all the way through the exclusive 90 days tabling a 16 team comp and milking 9/Fox for what they can, meanwhile the threat of a looming 7 drives it up further.

Then with less than 30 days to run on the negotiations they wheel out expansion.

Two seperate bids - one for 16 teams, another for 18 teams. This leaves it to the ARLC's discression as to how long it remains 16 and 18. It can also look at the best value overall depending on how long they run it at 16 or 18.
 

docbrown

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Masters' is on the money.

This is where the $600 million simulcast number is coming from. Foxtel will still keep 4 exclusive games throughout the entirety of the contract and gain 1 simulcast game in years 3-5.

Hence 9 having to fork out more. Prelim estimates for the 3 games were $450 million but even that's gone up considering what's going.
 

Lego_Man

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Good shit.

2nd Brisbane team and Perth Reds this round.

Next round Central Coast and Wellington.

The ultimate comp...
 

firechild

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Central Coast may be good for the next round but I doubt the Bears will still be going. They've been pushing for a long time now and by the time the next round comes, it could be 20 years since the CCB bid started. I'd say by the time the next expansion comes around, the CC bid will be independent of the Bears.
 

Brutus

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Can't you see this is a negotiating stratergy? I'd say its comes from LEK...

They have gone almost all the way through the exclusive 90 days tabling a 16 team comp and milking 9/Fox for what they can, meanwhile the threat of a looming 7 drives it up further.

Then with less than 30 days to run on the negotiations they wheel out expansion.

Two seperate bids - one for 16 teams, another for 18 teams. This leaves it to the ARLC's discression as to how long it remains 16 and 18. It can also look at the best value overall depending on how long they run it at 16 or 18.


I hope you're right.
 
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