The T.V Rights Thread Part III

[taipan]

Masters' is on the money.

This is where the $600 million simulcast number is coming from. Foxtel will still keep 4 exclusive games throughout the entirety of the contract and gain 1 simulcast game in years 3-5.

Hence 9 having to fork out more. Prelim estimates for the 3 games were $450 million but even that's gone up considering what's going.

Correct me if I am wrong doc.
You are saying Foxtel will pay $600m over 5 years for the 4 then 5 simulcasts and ch9 will have to pay minimum $450m.
Making in toto$1.05BN
Plus Sky NZ ????
IOW Is it fair to say the code will almost certainly secure $1bn over 5 years?I just need to cream my jeans.
BTW I did read in one of the papers, other FTA execs reckon ch 9 will need to pay $120m pa to secure the NRL rights,but concede ch9 would not have the abilty to pay that figure.meaning your $450m ($90m pa seems more realisitc).

 

[Dogs Of War]

Correct me if I am wrong doc.
You are saying Foxtel will pay $600m over 5 years for the 4 then 5 simulcasts and ch9 will have to pay minimum $450m.
Making in toto$1.05BN
Plus Sky NZ ????
IOW Is it fair to say the code will almost certainly secure $1bn over 5 years?I just need to cream my jeans.
BTW I did read in one of the papers, other FTA execs reckon ch 9 will need to pay $120m pa to secure the NRL rights,but concede ch9 would not have the abilty to pay that figure.meaning your $450m ($90m pa seems more realisitc).

Still that means channel 7 can overbid them, and channel nine would have to match it (If not beaten by 20%) if they wanted to keep them which I am sure they can't not want. I think that's something seven would do if only to ensure nine doesn't have the money to beat them on other fronts.

 

[docbrown]

Correct me if I am wrong doc.
You are saying Foxtel will pay $600m over 5 years for the 4 then 5 simulcasts and ch9 will have to pay minimum $450m.
Making in toto$1.05BN
Plus Sky NZ ????
IOW Is it fair to say the code will almost certainly secure $1bn over 5 years?I just need to cream my jeans.
BTW I did read in one of the papers, other FTA execs reckon ch 9 will need to pay $120m pa to secure the NRL rights,but concede ch9 would not have the abilty to pay that figure.meaning your $450m ($90m pa seems more realisitc).

Sorry, if you read down below you will see the original post. Channel 9 is going to put in a bid which takes into account both simulcasting & an 18 team comp. The value of which over the life of the comp is currently rumoured to be around $600 million.

I'm not sure which paper you're referring to but $120 million x 5 = $600 million so I guess that's another confirmation.

Channel 10 will stump up more for 9 games and make up the impact loss to Foxtel.

 

[RLNY]

Correct me if I am wrong doc.
You are saying Foxtel will pay $600m over 5 years for the 4 then 5 simulcasts and ch9 will have to pay minimum $450m.
Making in toto$1.05BN
Plus Sky NZ ????
IOW Is it fair to say the code will almost certainly secure $1bn over 5 years?I just need to cream my jeans.
BTW I did read in one of the papers, other FTA execs reckon ch 9 will need to pay $120m pa to secure the NRL rights,but concede ch9 would not have the abilty to pay that figure.meaning your $450m ($90m pa seems more realisitc).

Let me see here... a rumored 7 deal was rumored to be around $1.2B. To break it down, TV rights would be worth around $1B, contra $100M, and internet/mobile rights another $100 M. And breaking down 7's package worth further, Friday/Sunday doubleheaders, SOO, tests and GF (9's intended package) would probably be worth around $700M (my guess) and the other 4 games per week (Saturday tripleheader and Monday night) be worth around $300M. So in order to win the rights, a 9/Fox deal will have to be around these figures. Combined with a Sky NZ (my guess worth 15M pa, or $75M total), the rights could be worth around $1.2B-1.3B, or around AFL's deal.


And if somehow either 10 can pay for all 8 games in a combined 10/Foxtel simulcast deal or 7 allows Foxtel to simulcast at least some of the 8 games that 7 is trying to buy...


Let me say this. It is still early in the game, and anything can happen. However, I would say it is more likely than not that we are going to get a $1B+ tv deal.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Love how ch 7 show the main on home and away stars watching afl

Desperate much

 

[El Diablo]

what :?

 

[Canucks]

Ok there are so many numbers flying around at the moment

This is what has been said in here so far:

• Nine = $600m
• Fox = Amount Unknown
• Seven = Amount unknown - Possible swamper?
• Ten = Amount unknown - Bid for all games?
• SkyNZ = Amount unknown
• Online = Amount unknown

Have I missed what Fox are likely to pay for Nine's offcuts? We don't have a number for that?

 

[docbrown]

Love how ch 7 show the main on home and away stars watching afl

Desperate much

Contra.

 

[docbrown]

Have I missed what Fox are likely to pay for Nine's offcuts? We don't have a number for that?

Not at the moment but you can intimate what it might need to be by looking at 7.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

At this stage, I really couldn't care less who gets the rights, so long as they pay up and pay up big.

 

[Mickyd39]

At this stage, I really couldn't care less who gets the rights, so long as they pay up and pay up big.

this

 

[The Elephant In The room]

At this stage, I really couldn't care less who gets the rights, so long as they pay up and pay up big.

Dollars are good, but better coverage is just as important.

 

[Canucks]

Dollars are good, but better coverage is just as important.

Exactly

If we pull 1.3B with the existing coverage we can't boast.

We need better FTA coverage....

I think a FTA Saturday night game is important as AFL have that night to themselves in Sydney/Brisbane.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Exactly

If we pull 1.3B with the existing coverage we can't boast.

We need better FTA coverage....

I think a FTA Saturday night game is important as AFL have that night to themselves in Sydney/Brisbane.

Yep.
Has to be one FTA game on a Saturday night.Even if it is also live on Fox.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

 

[Goddo]

Not at the moment but you can intimate what it might need to be by looking at 7.

Well,

ch9 $600M for 4 games, Origin, Finals...
about $100-150M for internet rights...
Seven offer of $1.2B for the lot...

Factor in the 20% thing, 9/Fox combined initial bid would have to be bigger than $1B to make a $1.2B bid less than 20% more. They would then have to match the $1.2B figure...

1200 - 600 - 100 =

Fox Sports would have to pay around $450-550M to retain the rights, depending on other components break down. The question I have is would this include simulcasting of all games and Origin and most finals, or would they have to pay even more for those things? Is there a way to squeeze even more from Pay TV?

 

[Goddo]

The sad thing about that image is that you had to get it from a News Limited Newspaper.

I don't know whats worse - 9 or News...

 

[docbrown]

Factor in the 20% thing, 9/Fox combined initial bid would have to be bigger than $1B to make a $1.2B bid less than 20% more.

What 9/10/Foxtel want to avoid is a situation where they're forced to buy content from 7.

7 will put them all into competition with one another and they will end up paying even more as they're all equally desperate whereas 7 have the money and the stability to take on the risk.

I've heard people say/read that 7 is at saturation point with its advertising. Not true.

They want 7 mate to eat into the 10/1/11/Go audience and 7 two to eat into the 9/Gem audience.

They can achieve this by breaking the rugby league halo 9 currently enjoys.

 

[docbrown]

Just to clarify, here's what 9 will be submitting -

* Bid for current 3 game arrangement
* Bid for a 4/5 game arrangement
* Bid for a 4/5 game simulcasting arrangement

 

[firechild]

They want 7 mate to eat into the 10/1/11/Go audience and 7 two to eat into the 9/Gem audience.

So more 1950/60s movies in "HD"?